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#31
May 27th 05, 10:39 PM
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Elle wrote:
"Philip" wrote Elle wrote: "Philip" wrote snip I also don't buy neutering the day after a kitten stops suckling. But that's what is being PUSHED by the animal sterilization industry. Since there shouldn't be a financial advantage to this, I'd have to read the reasoning (hopefully based on studies) to say whether this is inappropriate. The vetineranry industry takes its cue from human medicine and the pharmaceutical industry. Vets have a business with books that must balance just like any doctor's office. There is money in "educating" your customer base (as there also is in teaching aspiring veterinary students) that certain things are the proper, compassionate, responsible way to do things .... that also increase revenue. I've read numerous articles apologizing for "disease management" vs cures over the course of my own autoimmune experience. My point is, drug studies are mostly funded by drug companies so expect self serving spin in their reports. There shouldn't be any financial advantage to advocating earlier spaying. Like I said. But there is. Deal with it. Early kitten neutering is good for slowing the population growth rate if not diminishing the population and early kitten neutering is good for the industry treating urinary blockages that used to occur less often. It's a win-win at your financial expense. As for early spaying I would like to read some responsible research on long term complications from premature spaying. 
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#32
May 27th 05, 11:18 PM
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"Philip" wrote in message ink.net... Elle wrote: "Philip" wrote Elle wrote: "Philip" wrote snip I also don't buy neutering the day after a kitten stops suckling. But that's what is being PUSHED by the animal sterilization industry. Since there shouldn't be a financial advantage to this, I'd have to read the reasoning (hopefully based on studies) to say whether this is inappropriate. snip unrelated gibberish; onto the latest attempt to figure out what Phil is trying to say There shouldn't be any financial advantage to advocating earlier spaying. Like I said. But there is. Deal with it. What I'm done dealing with is your rationalizing. Early kitten neutering is good for slowing the population growth rate if not diminishing the population Which diminishes vets' income. and early kitten neutering is good for the industry treating urinary blockages that used to occur less often. I can't tell whether you're saying early kitten neutering tends to increase urinary blockages or decreases them. It's a win-win at your financial expense. I can't figure out what you mean here. I could guess, but I'm tired of trying to get some clear English from you. As for early spaying I would like to read some responsible research on long term complications from premature spaying. Which would have to be weighed against the risk of late spaying.
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#33
May 28th 05, 12:01 AM
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wrote in message ... But somehow I feel guilty about this. I don't own the cat and I'm cutting its balls off. Is it a vasectomy or castration that is performed? -mhd The cat is given counseling re abstinence and responsibility. Adam
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#34
May 28th 05, 12:45 AM
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"Adam Helberg" wrote:
wrote in message .. . But somehow I feel guilty about this. I don't own the cat and I'm cutting its balls off. Is it a vasectomy or castration that is performed? -mhd The cat is given counseling re abstinence and responsibility. Adam Only in red states. -mhd
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#35
May 28th 05, 12:45 AM
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"Philip" wrote:
As for early spaying I would like to read some responsible research on long term complications from premature spaying. Peer reviewed citations/links please. -mhd
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#36
May 28th 05, 01:52 AM
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Elle wrote:
"Philip" wrote in message ink.net... Early kitten neutering is good for slowing the population growth rate if not diminishing the population Which diminishes vets' income. No. These sterilized cats still get $ick, need $hots, get cancer$, eat $pecial foods, etc. Can you find me a statistic showing the national average cat population has decreased in size over the past twenty years? It like the war on drugs. and early kitten neutering is good for the industry treating urinary blockages that used to occur less often. I can't tell whether you're saying early kitten neutering tends to increase urinary blockages or decreases them. Read the last 5 words. It's a win-win at your financial expense. I can't figure out what you mean here. I could guess, but I'm tired of trying to get some clear English from you. Because you don't want to hear it. Vets win, drug co's win ... at your expense. That help? As for early spaying I would like to read some responsible research on long term complications from premature spaying. Which would have to be weighed against the risk of late spaying. Fair enough. Are you comfortable with performing a hysterectomy on a 2 lb kitten?
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#37
May 28th 05, 01:52 AM
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#38
May 28th 05, 03:17 AM
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"Philip" wrote
snip Early kitten neutering is good for slowing the population growth rate if not diminishing the population Which diminishes vets' income. No. These sterilized cats still get $ick, need $hots, get cancer$, eat $pecial foods, etc. Can you find me a statistic showing the national average cat population has decreased in size over the past twenty years? It like the war on drugs. Philip, try to reason through the points you are making. You're the one who says above that early neutering is good for slowing population growth rate. I presume you think that's a good thing. Then you seem to recant the point above. I don't believe you have the deductive reasoning skills to have a rational discussion. snip Because you don't want to hear it. Vets win, drug co's win ... I have already agreed with this point, in general terms, Philip. Get back to my original query. I do not agree that everything vets do and every drug available is bad. Or don't. This is going nowhere.
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#39
May 28th 05, 04:26 AM
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Philip wrote: Can you find me a statistic showing the national average cat population has decreased in size over the past twenty years? It like the war on drugs. Yeah, but Bob Barker says! have your pet spayed or neutered. Now that's a defeatest attitude, that's like saying, why wipe your ass after going to the bathroom, your just going to mess it up again or why make your bed or why delete temporary internet files yes...we should spay and neuter... I hear tell that some women on here have got the stray cat situation locked down in their neighborhoods...Take a bow ladies! That's an inumerable amount of cats that will never know what it is to be lonely... To feel the walls closing in...can I get an Amen? Can I BUY and amen.$$$
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#40
May 28th 05, 06:35 AM
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