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On 2/19/2013 1:52 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Bill Graham:


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Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:44:49 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote:


"Mack A. Damia" Of course I understand. You are immoral and have
no ethical
responsibility towards your fellow man.

do you really think it is immoral to teach people to stand on their
own two feet and not live off the government dole? In my opinion, it
is immoral to teach people to be dependent on their government and
not to take care of themselves if they are capable of doing so.

And you know that all the people on welfare and who are receiving food
stamps are aptly capable of taking care of themselves, don't you?

You know nothing.

Not all, but it must be a large number, because all the ones I ever met fall
into that category. How many do you know who really deserve government help?
I Saw a statistic that said less than 2% of those on welfare were disabled
in some way, either mentally or physically. If I were running things, I
would take the welfare away from the other 98% and give the 2% at least the
average wage every yeaqr, and probably twice the average, since they must
have other extra expenses because of their infirmities.... IOW, I am not
against all welfare, but its just that the government does it (like they do
everything else) so badly.....

Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:41:12 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote:


"Mack A. Damia" I'm certain that you worship Ayn Rand.

I don't, "worship" anybody, but Ayn Rand knew the best way to
evaluate everything, and was a capitalist of the first order. When
it came to brains, she beat the hell out of Nancy Pelosi.....

She was a mentally ill woman who reacted against the harsh political
and economic conditions of her native country.

Her philosophy has no place in a civilized society.

It has a place close to my heart. She saqid that the best way to eveluate
everything is by the money it cost, versus the money it earned, and I
haven't found anything else that trumps that yet. Even the insurance
pay-outs are based on the earning power you lost due to an accident. If a
young doctor is killed, they get a hell of a lot more money than if an old
retired geezer is killed. This is an Ayn Rand principal. Nobody has come up
with a better way to evaluate life than this. (But you are welcome to try)

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:48:04 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:44:49 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote:


"Mack A. Damia" Of course I understand. You are immoral and have
no ethical
responsibility towards your fellow man.

do you really think it is immoral to teach people to stand on their
own two feet and not live off the government dole? In my opinion, it
is immoral to teach people to be dependent on their government and
not to take care of themselves if they are capable of doing so.

And you know that all the people on welfare and who are receiving food
stamps are aptly capable of taking care of themselves, don't you?

You know nothing.

Not all, but it must be a large number, because all the ones I ever met fall
into that category. How many do you know who really deserve government help?
I Saw a statistic that said less than 2% of those on welfare were disabled
in some way, either mentally or physically. If I were running things, I
would take the welfare away from the other 98% and give the 2% at least the
average wage every yeaqr, and probably twice the average, since they must
have other extra expenses because of their infirmities.... IOW, I am not
against all welfare, but its just that the government does it (like they do
everything else) so badly.....

We are the ones who tolerate it, but we are too unorganized to really
make a difference. I have my own issues - with the VA. Just looking
through thirty years of personal files - medical records, decisions,
etc. - and I can't believe that contemporary society tolerates such
negligent activity and waste at the highest levels of government, but
it is a fact of life.

I cannot or will not debate such matters in here - or anywhere else.
For me, it's just not worth the aggravation.

Peace.

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Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:38:05 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote:


"Mack A. Damia" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:33:13 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:19:04 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

Bill Graham wrote:
Bill Graham wrote:
But we have been paying a, "premium on our income tax forms"
now for a number of years. that is, unless you subscribe to the
"Arbornomics" theory that there exists a money tree in
Washington DC that can be plucked for money. Where do you
think the money to treat all those bums off the street comes
from? the hospitals certainly can't print it in their
basements. Why, the staste pays them out of our tax dollars,
of course, and they also get federal money too. (also, of
course out of our tax dollars) So what's the difference?
In a true capitalistic system, there would be lots of medical
insurance companies all competing with each other to give the
best medical service for your dollars. People who couldn't
afford medical services would, (are you ready for this?) DIE!!
And, knowing this, they would (presumably) cut a little money
out of their pay checks to buy that insurance from one or more
of many companies who were all competing for their money.
(what a concept!) The government would have little or nothing
to do with it. Why, with any luck, they would only charge us
about 10% of our pay in income taxes instead of the nearly 50%
they are currently charging. (Federal, state, property, auto
reg fees, and sales taxes all in that figure) IOW, we might
actually retreat from half socialized to 10 or 15% socialized!
Why, I might even be able to afford a couple of more cats!

At least, I would have the FREEDOM to buy whatever it is that I
wanted with that extra money, instead of having to accept
whatever the government thinks would be best for the society to
give me.

....and therin lies the main difference between the socialized
system of doing things and the capitalistic way of doing them.
The freedom to choose what YOU want to do with your money,
versus the government dictating to you what THEY want to do with
your money. Its really a very simple concept. Freedom, versus
Totalitarianism.

Don't be obtuse. If you don't have health insurance, most
hospitals will still treat you. Who do you think pays for the
treatment? The hospital passes those costs onto those who pay;
also, the increased costs of medical care are passed onto
insurance companies which in turn pass the increased costs onto
consumers of health care insurance.

You are free to buy any kind of health insurance that you want
to. You are also free NOT to buy health insurance, but if you
don't, you have to pay the government a tax penalty on your 1040
form.

I imagine that hospitals who treat those without insurance will be
able to get some kind of reimbursement from the federal government
based on name and social security number.

You still don't understand. I never asked my government to treat
people without health insurance. The liberals did that without my
permission. As soon as they did that, they threw away capitalism
and adopted socialism. I am a libertarian. This is the antithesis
of socialism. Now that we have a socialized medical system, you
are using it to justify your illogical problems that wouldn;t be
here had you not adopted socialism to begin with.
And, to describe a uniquely socialistic problem to me and complain
that my capitalism can't solve it is duplicious and illogical.

Of course I understand. You are immoral and have no ethical
responsibility towards your fellow man.

I'm certain that you worship Ayn Rand.

If by "immoral" you mean that I think the world owes me a living,
then you are wrong. If you don't eat, you will starve to death. But
I don't believe the government (read other taxpayers) have to feed
you if you have all your fingers and toes and can work for a living.
Does that make me immoral? If you get sick and can't afford to avail
yourself of medical services, do I believe the taxpayers should have
to take care of you? Hell no I don't. When you had that extra money,
you bought yourself a Porsche instead of driving a Volkswagon (which
I drove for years because I had medical insurance) So, if that makes
me immoral, then you have a vastly different concept of, "Morality"
than do I. I was raised to take care of myself and pay my own way,
and not live off the government dole. That's not immorality. That's
common sense. Why? precisely because that is what gives us the
freedom to buy what we want and not take whatever the government
hands out to us. I hope that in your socialized world, (that is sure
to come) your government doles out all the things that you dearly
love to have and allows you to do all the things that you dearly
love to do, but I doubt very much that that will be the case. It
would be true in an ant colony, because all the ants are exactly
alike and they all seem to be happy with their circumstance...
Unfortunately, you and I happen to be Human Beings......

You benefit from the labors of others - then and now. You benefit
from the sacrifices of others - then and now. You condemn those in
poverty; yet, there is a poverty in your soul. May God forgive you.

I don't "condem those in poverty". I just don't think the government should
steal money from the industrious to pay to those in poverty simply because
they are, "in poverty". And, speaking of, God, Why do you suppose he creates
people (and other animals) born without arms and legs, and condemned to live
miserable short, tortuous lives when they did no wrong and nothing to
deserve this fate? You should take a closer look at this God of yours....
(He certainly isn't any God of mine) I don't worship screw-ups..... As a
matter of fact, I feed a whole bunch of squirrls, racoons, birds, a couple
of possums, and 5 cats every day, in a desperate attempt to undo "His
Works". This God of yours is really a monster. "By his own work ye shall
know him".... When the JW's come to my door, I tell them that when I die, I
am goiung to look God up and strangle the living hell out of him. (Actually,
I know better than to believe in him at all.....:^)

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Bill Graham:
but Ayn Rand knew the best way to evaluate
everything, and was a capitalist of the first order.

I thought she was a popular book author.

Am I missing something?

Yes. She did write a few books. (Atlas shrugged) for one that come3s to
mind. But she was a political/economic philosopher. Her books were stories
that illustrated her economic philosophy. She swtarted an economic
philosophy known as, "Objectivism", and it contained many principals that
are in place today, mainly because they contained a lot of common sense....

Dr. C Love wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:11:31 -0800, Spam?uster
wrote:

On 2/17/2013 2:08 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Jeßus wrote:

Jesus is relevent to all countries. I love Jesus and Jesus love's me
and you and all the world.

Dr. C Love
Doctor of Homeopathy
Master of Reikki Therapy

Always remember:
Jesus love's you and so do I!
Every single one of you!

Believing is seeing - Think about it!

Ahhhh... No. Seeing is believing. And I have seen no evidence of any God, or
anything supernatural at all, in my entire 77 years, so I am unable to
believe. And, bear in mind, I have no choice in the matter. I am really
UNABLE to believe......

Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:48:04 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

Mack A. Damia wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:44:49 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote:


"Mack A. Damia" Of course I understand. You are immoral and have
no ethical
responsibility towards your fellow man.

do you really think it is immoral to teach people to stand on their
own two feet and not live off the government dole? In my opinion,
it is immoral to teach people to be dependent on their government
and not to take care of themselves if they are capable of doing so.

And you know that all the people on welfare and who are receiving
food stamps are aptly capable of taking care of themselves, don't
you?

You know nothing.

Not all, but it must be a large number, because all the ones I ever
met fall into that category. How many do you know who really deserve
government help? I Saw a statistic that said less than 2% of those
on welfare were disabled in some way, either mentally or physically.
If I were running things, I would take the welfare away from the
other 98% and give the 2% at least the average wage every yeaqr, and
probably twice the average, since they must have other extra
expenses because of their infirmities.... IOW, I am not against all
welfare, but its just that the government does it (like they do
everything else) so badly.....

We are the ones who tolerate it, but we are too unorganized to really
make a difference. I have my own issues - with the VA. Just looking
through thirty years of personal files - medical records, decisions,
etc. - and I can't believe that contemporary society tolerates such
negligent activity and waste at the highest levels of government, but
it is a fact of life.

I cannot or will not debate such matters in here - or anywhere else.
For me, it's just not worth the aggravation.

Peace.

Ah. It seems we do agree on something. What did you think about the
government taking about 100 Billion dollars on your hard earned tax dollars
and using it to put a dozen astronauts on the moon for a few hours back in
the 60's? I am not speaking of the' space program". I am speaking
specifically of the Apollo Program". They were sure way over the peak of
the cost-benefit curve on that one......

On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:10:41 -0800, "Bill Graham"
wrote:

Dr. C Love wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:11:31 -0800, Spam?uster
wrote:

On 2/17/2013 2:08 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Jeßus wrote:

Jesus is relevent to all countries. I love Jesus and Jesus love's me
and you and all the world.

Dr. C Love
Doctor of Homeopathy
Master of Reikki Therapy

Always remember:
Jesus love's you and so do I!
Every single one of you!

Believing is seeing - Think about it!

Ahhhh... No. Seeing is believing. And I have seen no evidence of any God, or
anything supernatural at all, in my entire 77 years, so I am unable to
believe. And, bear in mind, I have no choice in the matter. I am really
UNABLE to believe......

Hey, Bill, stand on your roof in a lightening storm with a metal rod
high in the air, and I promise you that you'll feel God's wrath.

Guaranteed.

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In article ,
Mack A. Damia wrote:

Hey, Bill, stand on your roof in a lightening storm with a metal rod
high in the air, and I promise you that you'll feel God's wrath.

If you can compel such a god to exhibit its wrath, that means you can
command that god.

Which makes it a very ungodlike god.
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