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November 25th 03, 01:21 PM
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From: (Steve Crane)
(PawsForThought) wrote in message ... I don't know what's in their product but evidently has the VOHC approval, for what it's worth. The problem with these kibble dental diets is the way cats chew. Their teeth are meant for ripping and tearing and from my understanding cats don't always chew kibble in a beneficial way for a dental diet. Also, SD dental is a dry food and it's been proven that canned cat food is much healthier for cats. Some caution here. The ONLY thing that has been "proven" is that cat fed a wet food will excrete more water in the urine, in contrast cats fed a dry food excrete more water in the feces. The thinking is that excreting additional water in the urine dilutes the urine and reduces the risk if FLUTD in cats. Considering that FLUTD affects a much smaller percentage of cats than does periodontal disease, one needs to weigh the risks and make an informed decision. All other claims for wet foods are mere hypothesis and remain unproven. That may be, but I believe these articles written by vets say quite a lot about feeding cats kibble that is diluted with lots of grains. Remember, cats are carnivores and aren't meant to eat grain based foods. A small amount of grains is fine, but not in the high amounts in kibble. The cat's natural diet would consist of about 1 to 2% carbs whereas kibble can contain as much as 45% carbs. I've never seen it proven where a dry kibble is healthier for a cat. Since a cat metabolizes primarily fat and protein for energy, most of the carbohydrates in the diet are then stored as body fat. Look at the high number of obese cats there are. You can't tell me that's healthy, now can you? http://www.avma.org/convention/recap/news/tuesday16.asp http://home.earthlink.net/~jacm2/id1.html http://www.felinefuture.com/nutrition/bpo_ch4.php Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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November 25th 03, 01:21 PM
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From: (Steve Crane)
(PawsForThought) wrote in message ... I don't know what's in their product but evidently has the VOHC approval, for what it's worth. The problem with these kibble dental diets is the way cats chew. Their teeth are meant for ripping and tearing and from my understanding cats don't always chew kibble in a beneficial way for a dental diet. Also, SD dental is a dry food and it's been proven that canned cat food is much healthier for cats. Some caution here. The ONLY thing that has been "proven" is that cat fed a wet food will excrete more water in the urine, in contrast cats fed a dry food excrete more water in the feces. The thinking is that excreting additional water in the urine dilutes the urine and reduces the risk if FLUTD in cats. Considering that FLUTD affects a much smaller percentage of cats than does periodontal disease, one needs to weigh the risks and make an informed decision. All other claims for wet foods are mere hypothesis and remain unproven. That may be, but I believe these articles written by vets say quite a lot about feeding cats kibble that is diluted with lots of grains. Remember, cats are carnivores and aren't meant to eat grain based foods. A small amount of grains is fine, but not in the high amounts in kibble. The cat's natural diet would consist of about 1 to 2% carbs whereas kibble can contain as much as 45% carbs. I've never seen it proven where a dry kibble is healthier for a cat. Since a cat metabolizes primarily fat and protein for energy, most of the carbohydrates in the diet are then stored as body fat. Look at the high number of obese cats there are. You can't tell me that's healthy, now can you? http://www.avma.org/convention/recap/news/tuesday16.asp http://home.earthlink.net/~jacm2/id1.html http://www.felinefuture.com/nutrition/bpo_ch4.php Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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November 25th 03, 04:13 PM
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"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... From: (Steve Crane) That may be, but I believe these articles written by vets say quite a lot about feeding cats kibble that is diluted with lots of grains. Remember, cats are carnivores and aren't meant to eat grain based foods. A small amount of grains is fine, but not in the high amounts in kibble. The cat's natural diet would consist of about 1 to 2% carbs whereas kibble can contain as much as 45% carbs. I've never seen it proven where a dry kibble is healthier for a cat. Since a cat metabolizes primarily fat and protein for energy, most of the carbohydrates in the diet are then stored as body fat. Look at the high number of obese cats there are. You can't tell me that's healthy, now can you? Not taking sides in the general debate, I would still like to offer my experience into the mix. My 20-year-old received nothing but dry food (SD regular and later for Srs) for a good 16 years. She was a really easy cat--I just kept the bowl full at all times--and she was never in any way overweight. She weighed 8-9 pounds her whole life. I think a lot of this has to do with genetics. (The fat factor, that is, or the propensity for overeating.) What I think is very significant is that her daughter, also a blue-cream tortoiseshell domestic shorthair, and necessarily quite similar genetically had lost nearly all of her teeth by age 19 while her mother had all of her teeth at age 20. The only difference is that the daughter was fed wet food exclusively and the mother dry. Seems significant to me. I still feed my current kitties a mix of wet and dry, and some plain people meat as treats.
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November 25th 03, 04:13 PM
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"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... From: (Steve Crane) That may be, but I believe these articles written by vets say quite a lot about feeding cats kibble that is diluted with lots of grains. Remember, cats are carnivores and aren't meant to eat grain based foods. A small amount of grains is fine, but not in the high amounts in kibble. The cat's natural diet would consist of about 1 to 2% carbs whereas kibble can contain as much as 45% carbs. I've never seen it proven where a dry kibble is healthier for a cat. Since a cat metabolizes primarily fat and protein for energy, most of the carbohydrates in the diet are then stored as body fat. Look at the high number of obese cats there are. You can't tell me that's healthy, now can you? Not taking sides in the general debate, I would still like to offer my experience into the mix. My 20-year-old received nothing but dry food (SD regular and later for Srs) for a good 16 years. She was a really easy cat--I just kept the bowl full at all times--and she was never in any way overweight. She weighed 8-9 pounds her whole life. I think a lot of this has to do with genetics. (The fat factor, that is, or the propensity for overeating.) What I think is very significant is that her daughter, also a blue-cream tortoiseshell domestic shorthair, and necessarily quite similar genetically had lost nearly all of her teeth by age 19 while her mother had all of her teeth at age 20. The only difference is that the daughter was fed wet food exclusively and the mother dry. Seems significant to me. I still feed my current kitties a mix of wet and dry, and some plain people meat as treats.
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November 25th 03, 04:13 PM
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"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... From: (Steve Crane) That may be, but I believe these articles written by vets say quite a lot about feeding cats kibble that is diluted with lots of grains. Remember, cats are carnivores and aren't meant to eat grain based foods. A small amount of grains is fine, but not in the high amounts in kibble. The cat's natural diet would consist of about 1 to 2% carbs whereas kibble can contain as much as 45% carbs. I've never seen it proven where a dry kibble is healthier for a cat. Since a cat metabolizes primarily fat and protein for energy, most of the carbohydrates in the diet are then stored as body fat. Look at the high number of obese cats there are. You can't tell me that's healthy, now can you? Not taking sides in the general debate, I would still like to offer my experience into the mix. My 20-year-old received nothing but dry food (SD regular and later for Srs) for a good 16 years. She was a really easy cat--I just kept the bowl full at all times--and she was never in any way overweight. She weighed 8-9 pounds her whole life. I think a lot of this has to do with genetics. (The fat factor, that is, or the propensity for overeating.) What I think is very significant is that her daughter, also a blue-cream tortoiseshell domestic shorthair, and necessarily quite similar genetically had lost nearly all of her teeth by age 19 while her mother had all of her teeth at age 20. The only difference is that the daughter was fed wet food exclusively and the mother dry. Seems significant to me. I still feed my current kitties a mix of wet and dry, and some plain people meat as treats.
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November 25th 03, 04:31 PM
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From: "Mary"
"PawsForThought" wrote in message ... From: (Steve Crane) That may be, but I believe these articles written by vets say quite a lot about feeding cats kibble that is diluted with lots of grains. Remember, cats are carnivores and aren't meant to eat grain based foods. A small amount of grains is fine, but not in the high amounts in kibble. The cat's natural diet would consist of about 1 to 2% carbs whereas kibble can contain as much as 45% carbs. I've never seen it proven where a dry kibble is healthier for a cat. Since a cat metabolizes primarily fat and protein for energy, most of the carbohydrates in the diet are then stored as body fat. Look at the high number of obese cats there are. You can't tell me that's healthy, now can you? Not taking sides in the general debate, I would still like to offer my experience into the mix. My 20-year-old received nothing but dry food (SD regular and later for Srs) for a good 16 years. She was a really easy cat--I just kept the bowl full at all times--and she was never in any way overweight. She weighed 8-9 pounds her whole life. I think a lot of this has to do with genetics. (The fat factor, that is, or the propensity for overeating.) What I think is very significant is that her daughter, also a blue-cream tortoiseshell domestic shorthair, and necessarily quite similar genetically had lost nearly all of her teeth by age 19 while her mother had all of her teeth at age 20. The only difference is that the daughter was fed wet food exclusively and the mother dry. Seems significant to me. I still feed my current kitties a mix of wet and dry, and some plain people meat as treats. I'm sure there are lots of cats that do great on dry food. But from reading these articles, it seems there are quite a few that do become obese, or have other problems from eating a dry food diet. They had an updated figure that came out I wish I could remember. It was quite high though. I'll see if I can find it. Also, as to the dental benefits to dry, it seems it depends a lot on how the particular cat chews his food. I don't know, I guess it depends on what a person thinks the trade off is by feeding kibble as the main diet as opposed to canned. I think what you're doing, by feeding both, sounds good. With my last cats, I fed them about 75% canned and about 25% dry food. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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