Cats in surgery today

From: "MaryL" AKE-OUT-THE-LITTER

but I thought it might be worth
mentioning for those who still think declawing somehow involves removal only
of the claws.

I think it's definitely worth mentioning too. I think a lot of the vets who
declaw don't tell people what's involved, and most likely just tell people it's
like a simple manicure.
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"Mary" wrote in message .com...
"ceb2" wrote in message
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"Mary" wrote in message

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I AM NOT LOOKING FOR ANTI DECLAWING FLAMERS NOR AM I LOOKING FOR A
DEBATE!

Sheesh! Now I know where the Abortin Clinic Bombers hang out in their
spare time.

You are replying to yourself so I imagine you are referring to yourself.
How
are the little amputees doing, dickhead?

I would tell you but I somehow don't think you give a ****.

I care more about your cats than you do. I never would have had them
declawed. I have two with claws and a house full of nice furniture, rugs,
etc. Of course, my WALLS are not upholstered so it's not as nice as your
place.

Does this mean that this person resides in a padded cell?

Cat (from a country where declawing is against the law, and guess what
- my house with leather lounge, etc are all still in pretty good
condition even though we have about 8 fully clawed cats/kittens
roaming through it...)

"Mary" wrote in message .com...
"ceb2" wrote in message
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"Mary" wrote in message

snipped for brevity

I AM NOT LOOKING FOR ANTI DECLAWING FLAMERS NOR AM I LOOKING FOR A
DEBATE!

Sheesh! Now I know where the Abortin Clinic Bombers hang out in their
spare time.

You are replying to yourself so I imagine you are referring to yourself.
How
are the little amputees doing, dickhead?

I would tell you but I somehow don't think you give a ****.

I care more about your cats than you do. I never would have had them
declawed. I have two with claws and a house full of nice furniture, rugs,
etc. Of course, my WALLS are not upholstered so it's not as nice as your
place.

Does this mean that this person resides in a padded cell?

Cat (from a country where declawing is against the law, and guess what
- my house with leather lounge, etc are all still in pretty good
condition even though we have about 8 fully clawed cats/kittens
roaming through it...)

"Schroedinger's Cat" wrote in message
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"Mary" wrote in message
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"ceb2" wrote in message
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"Mary" wrote in message

snipped for brevity

I AM NOT LOOKING FOR ANTI DECLAWING FLAMERS NOR AM I LOOKING FOR
A
DEBATE!

Sheesh! Now I know where the Abortin Clinic Bombers hang out in
their
spare time.

You are replying to yourself so I imagine you are referring to
yourself.
How
are the little amputees doing, dickhead?

I would tell you but I somehow don't think you give a ****.

I care more about your cats than you do. I never would have had them
declawed. I have two with claws and a house full of nice furniture,
rugs,
etc. Of course, my WALLS are not upholstered so it's not as nice as your
place.

Does this mean that this person resides in a padded cell?

Heh. Apparently. And he thinks it is High Fashion, too.

Cat (from a country where declawing is against the law, and guess what- my
house with leather lounge, etc are all still in pretty good condition even
though we have about 8 fully clawed cats/kittens roaming through it...)

I'm not surprised, friend. I wish everyone would make an effort to train
instead of going directly to maiming.

"Schroedinger's Cat" wrote in message
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"Mary" wrote in message
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"ceb2" wrote in message
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"Mary" wrote in message

snipped for brevity

I AM NOT LOOKING FOR ANTI DECLAWING FLAMERS NOR AM I LOOKING FOR
A
DEBATE!

Sheesh! Now I know where the Abortin Clinic Bombers hang out in
their
spare time.

You are replying to yourself so I imagine you are referring to
yourself.
How
are the little amputees doing, dickhead?

I would tell you but I somehow don't think you give a ****.

I care more about your cats than you do. I never would have had them
declawed. I have two with claws and a house full of nice furniture,
rugs,
etc. Of course, my WALLS are not upholstered so it's not as nice as your
place.

Does this mean that this person resides in a padded cell?

Heh. Apparently. And he thinks it is High Fashion, too.

Cat (from a country where declawing is against the law, and guess what- my
house with leather lounge, etc are all still in pretty good condition even
though we have about 8 fully clawed cats/kittens roaming through it...)

I'm not surprised, friend. I wish everyone would make an effort to train
instead of going directly to maiming.

(-L. wrote in message . com...
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Not really. The life of a cat with declaw issues can be miserable. I
have met many who would have been much better off having been
euthanized.

Many, perhaps - but that's not all. Automatically saying a cat would
be better dead than missing its toes is a bit deranged, really, even
if declawing is a terrible thing. I hope you don't think that human
amputees are better off dead!

Steve.

(-L. wrote in message . com...
(...)

Not really. The life of a cat with declaw issues can be miserable. I
have met many who would have been much better off having been
euthanized.

Many, perhaps - but that's not all. Automatically saying a cat would
be better dead than missing its toes is a bit deranged, really, even
if declawing is a terrible thing. I hope you don't think that human
amputees are better off dead!

Steve.

"Steve G" wrote in message
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(-L. wrote in message
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(...)

Not really. The life of a cat with declaw issues can be miserable. I
have met many who would have been much better off having been
euthanized.

Many, perhaps - but that's not all. Automatically saying a cat would
be better dead than missing its toes is a bit deranged, really, even
if declawing is a terrible thing. I hope you don't think that human
amputees are better off dead!

Steve.

In my opinion, it really is an extreme (and incorrect stance) to
automatically assume that a cat is better off dead than declawed. In my
opinion, the problem is that it should not be an "either/or" option -- there
is no reason to assume that a cat needs to be either declawed or euthanized.
Instead, why not learn to love a cat for what it is (including claws) and
work on showing a cat how to use scratching posts. After all, would anyone
dare to suggest cutting off the tips of a child's fingers if the child
smeared food on the walls? Of course not!!! Likewise, there is no need to
declaw a cat simply because a person wants nice furniture. Cats can be
trained! Claws can also be trimmed, and some people use alternatives such
as "soft paws" (an alternative that I have never needed because I have found
it remarkably easy to train each of my cats to use scratching posts -- one
simply needs to provide a variety of surfaces and make the posts readily
available to cats by positioning them in various rooms).

MaryL

"Steve G" wrote in message
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(-L. wrote in message
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Not really. The life of a cat with declaw issues can be miserable. I
have met many who would have been much better off having been
euthanized.

Many, perhaps - but that's not all. Automatically saying a cat would
be better dead than missing its toes is a bit deranged, really, even
if declawing is a terrible thing. I hope you don't think that human
amputees are better off dead!

Steve.

In my opinion, it really is an extreme (and incorrect stance) to
automatically assume that a cat is better off dead than declawed. In my
opinion, the problem is that it should not be an "either/or" option -- there
is no reason to assume that a cat needs to be either declawed or euthanized.
Instead, why not learn to love a cat for what it is (including claws) and
work on showing a cat how to use scratching posts. After all, would anyone
dare to suggest cutting off the tips of a child's fingers if the child
smeared food on the walls? Of course not!!! Likewise, there is no need to
declaw a cat simply because a person wants nice furniture. Cats can be
trained! Claws can also be trimmed, and some people use alternatives such
as "soft paws" (an alternative that I have never needed because I have found
it remarkably easy to train each of my cats to use scratching posts -- one
simply needs to provide a variety of surfaces and make the posts readily
available to cats by positioning them in various rooms).

MaryL

"MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER wrote in message ...
"Steve G" wrote in message
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(-L. wrote in message
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Not really. The life of a cat with declaw issues can be miserable. I
have met many who would have been much better off having been

euthanized.

Many, perhaps - but that's not all. Automatically saying a cat would
be better dead than missing its toes is a bit deranged, really, even
if declawing is a terrible thing. I hope you don't think that human
amputees are better off dead!

Steve.

In my opinion, it really is an extreme (and incorrect stance) to
automatically assume that a cat is better off dead than declawed. In my
opinion, the problem is that it should not be an "either/or" option -- there
is no reason to assume that a cat needs to be either declawed or euthanized.
Instead, why not learn to love a cat for what it is (including claws) and
work on showing a cat how to use scratching posts. After all, would anyone
dare to suggest cutting off the tips of a child's fingers if the child
smeared food on the walls? Of course not!!! Likewise, there is no need to
declaw a cat simply because a person wants nice furniture. Cats can be
trained! Claws can also be trimmed, and some people use alternatives such
as "soft paws" (an alternative that I have never needed because I have found
it remarkably easy to train each of my cats to use scratching posts -- one
simply needs to provide a variety of surfaces and make the posts readily
available to cats by positioning them in various rooms).

MaryL

The truth is, however, that *many* people use the "declaw this cat or
I will put it down" blackmail threat when they approach their vets for
declawing. IME, if the vet is resistant at all, this is usually what
is thrown out as a retort. Sad, but true.

My stance is that a cat that resides in such a home is better off
surrended to a shelter where it gets a chance to be placed in a
loving, permanent home - because if someone is willing to euthanize a
cat for clawing it is unlikely they will be tolerant of other cat
behaviors.

-L.