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OT. Rant
I'm very upset. I've mailed for quite a few years to an American woman that
I knew from my chicken group. We got on pretty well. Last year she forwarded me a mail that I considered to be racist, but it was only a few hours before I was due to fly to visit my German friend, so I mailed a disapproving reply and said I'd like to discuss it with her when I got back. I never did. A few weeks ago she started to forward me pro-Bush mails. Well, I'm sorry, but he seems to be a bit shall we say intellectually challenged, so I said so. But now, she is sending what seems to some sort of fundamental Christian mails to me. Extremely racist, homophobic and right wing. I have challenged her on every mail and she just got cross and said I was a stupid liberal. There is more, but I won't bore you with it. I just won't have her tell me that she refuses to let anyone into America and if so they must speak English. For G's sake. If she was true to her word she ought to speak Native American. It isn't her country, after all. I told her I don't want to have a friend who thinks like this. She told me she doesn't want to have a friend that is ineducable about what is going on in America. It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot tolerate a racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right. I can't see that being a racist and a bigot is right in any country. She quotes the Bible at me. I told her that I didn't think God was a bigot. This is hard for me. We have been friends, and we are falling out about Bush. That was the first thing. I'll never compromise about the other racism and homophobic stuff. It might be the end of our friendship. Tweed |
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Christina Websell wrote:
It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot tolerate a racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right. Racism and bigotry are never right. Never. They have always been used as an excuse to opress the minority (and sometimes even a weak majority) by those in power. I just told Tom that if his sister and her husband voted for the anti-gay ammendment in their state's election, then they are not welcome in our house. I'm sorry, but if you find my relationship so repugnant, that you would vote to inscribe discrimination in your state's constitution, then I do not want to welcome you into my house. As an aside, the bible has been used throughout history to justify and defend many horrible things, from the crusades to slavery in the US and the oppresion of women. -- Victor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
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"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
... Christina Websell wrote: It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot tolerate a racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right. Racism and bigotry are never right. Never. They have always been used as an excuse to opress the minority (and sometimes even a weak majority) by those in power. I just told Tom that if his sister and her husband voted for the anti-gay ammendment in their state's election, then they are not welcome in our house. I'm sorry, but if you find my relationship so repugnant, that you would vote to inscribe discrimination in your state's constitution, then I do not want to welcome you into my house. As an aside, the bible has been used throughout history to justify and defend many horrible things, from the crusades to slavery in the US and the oppresion of women. -- Victor Martinez It's really had to have such bigotry in your own family, or its equivalent. You're right about the Bible. It can be, and has been, used to prove and/or justify just about everything. :-( Joy |
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"Yoj" wrote in message . com... "Victor Martinez" wrote in message ... Christina Websell wrote: It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot tolerate a racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right. Racism and bigotry are never right. Never. They have always been used as an excuse to opress the minority (and sometimes even a weak majority) by those in power. I just told Tom that if his sister and her husband voted for the anti-gay ammendment in their state's election, then they are not welcome in our house. I'm sorry, but if you find my relationship so repugnant, that you would vote to inscribe discrimination in your state's constitution, then I do not want to welcome you into my house. As an aside, the bible has been used throughout history to justify and defend many horrible things, from the crusades to slavery in the US and the oppresion of women. -- Victor Martinez It's really had to have such bigotry in your own family, or its equivalent. You're right about the Bible. It can be, and has been, used to prove and/or justify just about everything. :-( Joy That's OK. So have the Torah and the Koran. Also many other documents etc. Jo |
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"Yoj" wrote in message . com... "Victor Martinez" wrote in message ... Christina Websell wrote: It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot tolerate a racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right. Racism and bigotry are never right. Never. They have always been used as an excuse to opress the minority (and sometimes even a weak majority) by those in power. I just told Tom that if his sister and her husband voted for the anti-gay ammendment in their state's election, then they are not welcome in our house. I'm sorry, but if you find my relationship so repugnant, that you would vote to inscribe discrimination in your state's constitution, then I do not want to welcome you into my house. As an aside, the bible has been used throughout history to justify and defend many horrible things, from the crusades to slavery in the US and the oppresion of women. -- Victor Martinez It's really had to have such bigotry in your own family, or its equivalent. You're right about the Bible. It can be, and has been, used to prove and/or justify just about everything. :-( Joy That's OK. So have the Torah and the Koran. Also many other documents etc. Jo |
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"Yoj" wrote in message
. com... "Victor Martinez" wrote in message ... Christina Websell wrote: It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot tolerate a racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right. Racism and bigotry are never right. Never. They have always been used as an excuse to opress the minority (and sometimes even a weak majority) by those in power. I just told Tom that if his sister and her husband voted for the anti-gay ammendment in their state's election, then they are not welcome in our house. I'm sorry, but if you find my relationship so repugnant, that you would vote to inscribe discrimination in your state's constitution, then I do not want to welcome you into my house. As an aside, the bible has been used throughout history to justify and defend many horrible things, from the crusades to slavery in the US and the oppresion of women. -- Victor Martinez It's really had to have such bigotry in your own family, or its equivalent. You're right about the Bible. It can be, and has been, used to prove and/or justify just about everything. :-( Which is a shame, because if you boil the message it all down, the theme of the second half at least is "love each other like I love you "(ie, be excellent to each other and party on dudes). Whether or not you believe the Bible to be anythign from the literal word of the Ultimate Deity to just another book, its hard to argue with a message that calls us all to love each other equally (IMHO, anyway) Its also a shame that a friendship can't cope with a bit of disagreement. There are people here whose views are not my own on any number of different things (from as far-reaching as poitics and religion to the silly things like fruit and vegetable preferences), but I would still be happy to call them friends - and good friends atthat. Here and there, I've even had friendly discussions about our different views. I mean, I'm just as stupid and pigheaded about my hot-buttons as anyone is about theirs, but if two (or more) people value their friendship there are ways of dealing with differing opinions. I don't think your so-called friend had much respect for your friendship, but perhaps it was not built on the most solid foundations anyway. Yowie |
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in article , Yowie at
wrote on 11/18/04 11:18 PM: "Yoj" wrote in message . com... "Victor Martinez" wrote in message ... Christina Websell wrote: It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot tolerate a racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right. Racism and bigotry are never right. Never. They have always been used as an excuse to opress the minority (and sometimes even a weak majority) by those in power. I just told Tom that if his sister and her husband voted for the anti-gay ammendment in their state's election, then they are not welcome in our house. I'm sorry, but if you find my relationship so repugnant, that you would vote to inscribe discrimination in your state's constitution, then I do not want to welcome you into my house. As an aside, the bible has been used throughout history to justify and defend many horrible things, from the crusades to slavery in the US and the oppresion of women. -- Victor Martinez It's really had to have such bigotry in your own family, or its equivalent. You're right about the Bible. It can be, and has been, used to prove and/or justify just about everything. :-( Which is a shame, because if you boil the message it all down, the theme of the second half at least is "love each other like I love you "(ie, be excellent to each other and party on dudes). Whether or not you believe the Bible to be anythign from the literal word of the Ultimate Deity to just another book, its hard to argue with a message that calls us all to love each other equally (IMHO, anyway) Its also a shame that a friendship can't cope with a bit of disagreement. There are people here whose views are not my own on any number of different things (from as far-reaching as poitics and religion to the silly things like fruit and vegetable preferences), but I would still be happy to call them friends - and good friends atthat. Here and there, I've even had friendly discussions about our different views. I mean, I'm just as stupid and pigheaded about my hot-buttons as anyone is about theirs, but if two (or more) people value their friendship there are ways of dealing with differing opinions. I don't think your so-called friend had much respect for your friendship, but perhaps it was not built on the most solid foundations anyway. Yowie The problem comes when that message is the be all and end all of every communication. That's when differing views become a detriment to a friendship. It's just a real shame and I know that I find it really difficult if I run into that situation. And that includes going the other direction. Extremes are not a good thing for any relationship no matter what the extreme is. |
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Yowie wrote:
"Yoj" wrote in message . com... "Victor Martinez" wrote in message ... Christina Websell wrote: It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot tolerate a racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right. Racism and bigotry are never right. Never. They have always been used as an excuse to opress the minority (and sometimes even a weak majority) by those in power. I just told Tom that if his sister and her husband voted for the anti-gay ammendment in their state's election, then they are not welcome in our house. I'm sorry, but if you find my relationship so repugnant, that you would vote to inscribe discrimination in your state's constitution, then I do not want to welcome you into my house. As an aside, the bible has been used throughout history to justify and defend many horrible things, from the crusades to slavery in the US and the oppresion of women. -- Victor Martinez It's really had to have such bigotry in your own family, or its equivalent. You're right about the Bible. It can be, and has been, used to prove and/or justify just about everything. :-( Which is a shame, because if you boil the message it all down, the theme of the second half at least is "love each other like I love you "(ie, be excellent to each other and party on dudes). Whether or not you believe the Bible to be anythign from the literal word of the Ultimate Deity to just another book, its hard to argue with a message that calls us all to love each other equally (IMHO, anyway) Its also a shame that a friendship can't cope with a bit of disagreement. There are people here whose views are not my own on any number of different things (from as far-reaching as poitics and religion to the silly things like fruit and vegetable preferences), but I would still be happy to call them friends - and good friends atthat. Here and there, I've even had friendly discussions about our different views. I mean, I'm just as stupid and pigheaded about my hot-buttons as anyone is about theirs, but if two (or more) people value their friendship there are ways of dealing with differing opinions. I don't think your so-called friend had much respect for your friendship, but perhaps it was not built on the most solid foundations anyway. Yowie I agree with Yowie here. Friendships are really important and you should be able to discuss anything regardless of your differing viewpoints. You must have had a lot of mutual interests together to form this friendship. I rarely reveal my political or religious beliefs unless I can have an analytical and sensible conversation about them. I'd just tell her that you don't want to discuss the subjects and get onto the topics that brought you together in the first place. Bev I think the thing missing here on your friend's part is 'tact' The email of the species is more deadly than the mail. |
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Yowie wrote:
"Yoj" wrote in message . com... "Victor Martinez" wrote in message ... Christina Websell wrote: It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot tolerate a racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right. Racism and bigotry are never right. Never. They have always been used as an excuse to opress the minority (and sometimes even a weak majority) by those in power. I just told Tom that if his sister and her husband voted for the anti-gay ammendment in their state's election, then they are not welcome in our house. I'm sorry, but if you find my relationship so repugnant, that you would vote to inscribe discrimination in your state's constitution, then I do not want to welcome you into my house. As an aside, the bible has been used throughout history to justify and defend many horrible things, from the crusades to slavery in the US and the oppresion of women. -- Victor Martinez It's really had to have such bigotry in your own family, or its equivalent. You're right about the Bible. It can be, and has been, used to prove and/or justify just about everything. :-( Which is a shame, because if you boil the message it all down, the theme of the second half at least is "love each other like I love you "(ie, be excellent to each other and party on dudes). Whether or not you believe the Bible to be anythign from the literal word of the Ultimate Deity to just another book, its hard to argue with a message that calls us all to love each other equally (IMHO, anyway) Its also a shame that a friendship can't cope with a bit of disagreement. There are people here whose views are not my own on any number of different things (from as far-reaching as poitics and religion to the silly things like fruit and vegetable preferences), but I would still be happy to call them friends - and good friends atthat. Here and there, I've even had friendly discussions about our different views. I mean, I'm just as stupid and pigheaded about my hot-buttons as anyone is about theirs, but if two (or more) people value their friendship there are ways of dealing with differing opinions. I don't think your so-called friend had much respect for your friendship, but perhaps it was not built on the most solid foundations anyway. Yowie I agree with Yowie here. Friendships are really important and you should be able to discuss anything regardless of your differing viewpoints. You must have had a lot of mutual interests together to form this friendship. I rarely reveal my political or religious beliefs unless I can have an analytical and sensible conversation about them. I'd just tell her that you don't want to discuss the subjects and get onto the topics that brought you together in the first place. Bev I think the thing missing here on your friend's part is 'tact' The email of the species is more deadly than the mail. |
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