Food Question

From: olitter (PawsForThought)

Megan is right, Mary. Believe me, Gaubster2 is a troll for sure. I think
Megan has described him to a T. Before the dog groups, he was trolling AOL.
Unfortunately you can't go back and check posts on AOL because they only
archive them for a period of 30 days. But I distinctly remember him from a
declawing thread where he was defending it. I usually don't forget the
pro-declaw trolls.

Lauren
________

LAUREN YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP. I DARE YOU TO BACK UP THIS LIE OF YOURS! I HAVE
NEVER AND I MEAN NEVER, EVER, TAKEN A STANCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON DECLAWING.

YOU ARE A LIAR PURE AND SIMPLE AND THIS JUST PROVES IT.

You have me mistaken for somebody else. Look, this is the kind of posts a
troll would make. You, yourself, are guilty of what you allege in this post.
Where was I trolling on AOL?? Hmm?? You make allegations and can't back them
up. The bull**** about AOL only archiving for 30 days is just you trying to
cover up for yourself. Lauren, if you really believed that I'm a troll, then
killfile me. You've been shown on these newsgroups to be a liar, and when you
are called on it you throw around the troll allegation. Just killfile me and
be done with it. Otherwise you are a hypocrite as well as a liar. I won't
hold my breath for an apology from you.

From: olitter (PawsForThought)

Megan is right, Mary. Believe me, Gaubster2 is a troll for sure. I think
Megan has described him to a T. Before the dog groups, he was trolling AOL.
Unfortunately you can't go back and check posts on AOL because they only
archive them for a period of 30 days. But I distinctly remember him from a
declawing thread where he was defending it. I usually don't forget the
pro-declaw trolls.

Lauren
________

LAUREN YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP. I DARE YOU TO BACK UP THIS LIE OF YOURS! I HAVE
NEVER AND I MEAN NEVER, EVER, TAKEN A STANCE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON DECLAWING.

YOU ARE A LIAR PURE AND SIMPLE AND THIS JUST PROVES IT.

You have me mistaken for somebody else. Look, this is the kind of posts a
troll would make. You, yourself, are guilty of what you allege in this post.
Where was I trolling on AOL?? Hmm?? You make allegations and can't back them
up. The bull**** about AOL only archiving for 30 days is just you trying to
cover up for yourself. Lauren, if you really believed that I'm a troll, then
killfile me. You've been shown on these newsgroups to be a liar, and when you
are called on it you throw around the troll allegation. Just killfile me and
be done with it. Otherwise you are a hypocrite as well as a liar. I won't
hold my breath for an apology from you.

Gaubster2 Wrote:
snip mindless drivel

You seem to have forgotten that I wasn't the one you got into it with
about Hill's. I have a very low opinion of that company but I have not
*relentlessly* bashed them. You also keep accusing me of calling you
names when I did no such thing until I described you as a troll, which
really isn't namecalling, but rather an accurate representation and one
that most agree with. In fact, *you've* done quite a bit of namecalling,
and often in the same post where you complain about it. You've provided
nothing but dead links or links that do nothing to back up your claims,
and even when proved wrong, continued to claim that Wellness contains
ingredients from feces, which is absolutely and unequivocally untrue.
Everything I have said about you is true, and your complaints and lies
cannot change reality. I'm not going to get into an extended argument
with you about this because pointing out your many faults and lies is
just recycling old information that the majority of people here have had
to put up with from you ad nauseum.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

Gaubster2 Wrote:
snip mindless drivel

You seem to have forgotten that I wasn't the one you got into it with
about Hill's. I have a very low opinion of that company but I have not
*relentlessly* bashed them. You also keep accusing me of calling you
names when I did no such thing until I described you as a troll, which
really isn't namecalling, but rather an accurate representation and one
that most agree with. In fact, *you've* done quite a bit of namecalling,
and often in the same post where you complain about it. You've provided
nothing but dead links or links that do nothing to back up your claims,
and even when proved wrong, continued to claim that Wellness contains
ingredients from feces, which is absolutely and unequivocally untrue.
Everything I have said about you is true, and your complaints and lies
cannot change reality. I'm not going to get into an extended argument
with you about this because pointing out your many faults and lies is
just recycling old information that the majority of people here have had
to put up with from you ad nauseum.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

Gaubster2 Wrote:
snip mindless drivel

You seem to have forgotten that I wasn't the one you got into it with
about Hill's. I have a very low opinion of that company but I have not
*relentlessly* bashed them. You also keep accusing me of calling you
names when I did no such thing until I described you as a troll, which
really isn't namecalling, but rather an accurate representation and one
that most agree with. In fact, *you've* done quite a bit of namecalling,
and often in the same post where you complain about it. You've provided
nothing but dead links or links that do nothing to back up your claims,
and even when proved wrong, continued to claim that Wellness contains
ingredients from feces, which is absolutely and unequivocally untrue.
Everything I have said about you is true, and your complaints and lies
cannot change reality. I'm not going to get into an extended argument
with you about this because pointing out your many faults and lies is
just recycling old information that the majority of people here have had
to put up with from you ad nauseum.

Megan



"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."

-Edmund Burke

Learn The TRUTH About Declawing
http://www.stopdeclaw.com

Zuzu's Cats Photo Album:
http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22

"Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one
elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and
splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then
providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision,
raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and
material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his
way."

- W.H. Murray

In ,
composed with style:
Gaubster2 Wrote:
snip mindless drivel

In fact, *you've* done
quite a bit of namecalling, and often in the same post where you
complain about it.

Heh. That's given me a few chuckles, time and again.

You've provided nothing but dead links or links
that do nothing to back up your claims, and even when proved wrong,
continued to claim that Wellness contains ingredients from feces,
which is absolutely and unequivocally untrue.

Don't forget to mention that when asked to back up his claims, his
canned response is "call the manufacturer yourself".

In ,
composed with style:
Gaubster2 Wrote:
snip mindless drivel

In fact, *you've* done
quite a bit of namecalling, and often in the same post where you
complain about it.

Heh. That's given me a few chuckles, time and again.

You've provided nothing but dead links or links
that do nothing to back up your claims, and even when proved wrong,
continued to claim that Wellness contains ingredients from feces,
which is absolutely and unequivocally untrue.

Don't forget to mention that when asked to back up his claims, his
canned response is "call the manufacturer yourself".

In ,
composed with style:
Gaubster2 Wrote:
snip mindless drivel

In fact, *you've* done
quite a bit of namecalling, and often in the same post where you
complain about it.

Heh. That's given me a few chuckles, time and again.

You've provided nothing but dead links or links
that do nothing to back up your claims, and even when proved wrong,
continued to claim that Wellness contains ingredients from feces,
which is absolutely and unequivocally untrue.

Don't forget to mention that when asked to back up his claims, his
canned response is "call the manufacturer yourself".

"GAUBSTER2" wrote in message
...
From: "Jon C"

Wellness has very low phosphorus and calcium levels, as well as almost 0
carbohydrates. That's something your beloved Science Diet can't claim.

What's wrong w/ carbs? Are you a carbophobic??

What do you think the phosphorus and calcium levels are on a dry matter
basis?

Wellness Turkey and Salmon has a phosphorus level of 0.88% and the Chicken
and Salmon has a phosphorus level of 0.91%. Both are well below the
oft-quoted 0.98% maximum recommended phosphorus level.

They don't have non-specific by-products, and have a small fraction of the
carbs of Science Diet. Specifically, 16-20% of Science Diet's (maintenance)
calories come from carbs. 2% of Wellness Turkey and Salmon's come from
carbs. Read the article zuzu22 linked to you, and you'll understand why
that's a good thing.

So what advantage, exactly, does Science Diet have over Wellness? What's
bad about having few carbs? Steve made a good argument for carbs being more
or less ok at http://tinyurl.com/2bhga but even he never said they were a
great thing to have, either. He cautioned against going low or no carb
without looking at other things like phosphorus, but if you can have your
cake....

Jon

"GAUBSTER2" wrote in message
...
From: "Jon C"

Wellness has very low phosphorus and calcium levels, as well as almost 0
carbohydrates. That's something your beloved Science Diet can't claim.

What's wrong w/ carbs? Are you a carbophobic??

What do you think the phosphorus and calcium levels are on a dry matter
basis?

Wellness Turkey and Salmon has a phosphorus level of 0.88% and the Chicken
and Salmon has a phosphorus level of 0.91%. Both are well below the
oft-quoted 0.98% maximum recommended phosphorus level.

They don't have non-specific by-products, and have a small fraction of the
carbs of Science Diet. Specifically, 16-20% of Science Diet's (maintenance)
calories come from carbs. 2% of Wellness Turkey and Salmon's come from
carbs. Read the article zuzu22 linked to you, and you'll understand why
that's a good thing.

So what advantage, exactly, does Science Diet have over Wellness? What's
bad about having few carbs? Steve made a good argument for carbs being more
or less ok at http://tinyurl.com/2bhga but even he never said they were a
great thing to have, either. He cautioned against going low or no carb
without looking at other things like phosphorus, but if you can have your
cake....

Jon