BAD NEWS at Caboodle Ranch

"Catlady" wrote in message
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On Mar 12, 8:56 pm, "Christina Websell"
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"Judith Latham" wrote in message

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Adrian wrote:
"Christina Websell" wrote:
"Amelia T Cat" wrote in message
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Stop making excuses for them, Dan. There were dead and decomposing
cats there, or was it all made up?

You weren't there Christina so you don't know! Stories like that are
made up all the time, it is obvious there is a vendetta against
Caboodle
Ranch.

I've just been on the Caboodle website. I agree, I think it was done out
out spite and viciousness. I wouldn't want the people who have done that
to have any power over any animal or human.

Judith

So both of you believe it is all not true?
I think it is.
It's very sad.-

I agree, and what's frightening is that there are so many that think
this way, despite the plethora of evidence that justifies the raid and
seizure of these poor cats. And they are the reason situations like
this happen and continue to happen. It is enabling, plain and simple.
This is not rocket science, and if you look at history, I would
challenge them to come up with even ONE example of a raid such as this
that was done where they said there was absolutely nothing wrong and
gave all the animals back. 700 cats roaming on 30 acres, one man and a
couple of sporadic volunteers. It is a disaster that was waiting to
happen and finally did.

_______
I rarely agree with you but I do on this one.
Tweed

"Bastette" wrote in message
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The ASPCA is wasting no time in using this situation to raise some money.
I just got a fundraising plea from them that starts out, "It's more common
than you think. In fact, nearly a quarter-million animals fall victim to
animal hoarding..."

I dislike our RSPCA too, and do not to choose to support them as I find them
wanting in a lot of ways, but sometimes charities like this are the only
people who will move in, in this sort of situation, and I suppose they need
donations to do it.
I'm not sure of the legal status of the ASPA, but the RSPCA are a charity,
and strictly speaking, if they arrived on my doorstep tonight saying they
wanted, for example, to examine Boyfriend for signs of abuse, I could tell
them to f**k off.

Nevertheless, in serious situations the police do support them in getting
entry to premises where it's suspected animal abuse of any kind is
happening.

Tweed

"CatNipped" wrote in message
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I did love the idea of that ranch where rescued kitties could wander at
will. However when something seems to be too good to be true, it often
is.
As I said, rescue can get out of control. As I found when I went to a
disgustingly stinky house here at the time I decided I might not want
Boyfie. Well that changed my mind about keeping him for sure.
That was a good thing, but it did make me wonder about cat rescuers.
I have never, ever, smelt anything like it when she opened her door.
Whether or not I wanted him, no way would I have allowed him to be
rescued
to there.
As my grandmother used to say "it stunk enough to blind you"

So I kept him and how lucky I am. He's very nearly the perfect cat,
apart
from a couple of faults ;-)

It often blinds the cats who are forced to live there. Along with burns
on their paws from going in ammonia coated litter.

I do understand the reason why cat lovers want to save every cat that they
can, but there is only a certain number that we can cope with.
My limit is two, not because I couldn't afford to feed more, but because of
the potential vet bills.
I have never, ever, in my whole life, smelt anything like when she opened
her door.
I thought she was a rescue person (which she was) and would advise me (at
that time) about rehoming Boyfie.
I took one breath in and decided he would remain with me.
Tweed

"Dan M" wrote in message
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The trouble hunters said they even found "shallow" graves, and oh, sht,
there were no marble, grave stones on the graves . . . cause for a lynch
mob, and lots of slander and lies right there . . . "PETA" and others of
the same ilk are a death cult. Could you do that sort of thing day in
and day out: just kill kill kill kill kill day after day and day after
day: HUH ! Could you? . . . and lie about it besides . . . ? These
killers are sadistic and cruel, so donot waste your sympathy on them,
they deserve nothing but the wages we pay them . . . They are killers,
not heroes ! ! ! They love what they do or they wouldnot do it . . .
Would you? Could you?!

I personally believe that the "evidence" was mostly staged. I have found
very little mention of the fact that the ranch's usual vet visited the
premises only a couple of weeks before the raid and reported no problems.
Or that the local humane society was on the premises the month before the
raid and found no problems. And none of the traditional media outlets are
mentioning that a long-time volunteer, Nanette Entriken, moved from (S
Carolina? I'm not sure what state she was from, just that it was on the
east coast) to a mobile home on the ranch grounds, and that a couple days
after the raid the cops came banging on her door early in the morning and
took her two cats away - her family members who had never been a part of
the ranch animals.

Overall I have to say that this is a sad event all around, and that the
Madison County Sheriff's Department and the humane organizations involved
in the raid should be ashamed of themselves. The ASPCA will never see
another penny of my money.

It's not your fault, Dan. You believed.

Tweed

"Dan M" wrote in message
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The trouble hunters said they even found "shallow" graves, and oh, sht,
there were no marble, grave stones on the graves . . . cause for a lynch
mob, and lots of slander and lies right there . . . "PETA" and others of
the same ilk are a death cult. Could you do that sort of thing day in
and day out: just kill kill kill kill kill day after day and day after
day: HUH ! Could you? . . . and lie about it besides . . . ? These
killers are sadistic and cruel, so donot waste your sympathy on them,
they deserve nothing but the wages we pay them . . . They are killers,
not heroes ! ! ! They love what they do or they wouldnot do it . . .
Would you? Could you?!

I personally believe that the "evidence" was mostly staged. I have found
very little mention of the fact that the ranch's usual vet visited the
premises only a couple of weeks before the raid and reported no problems.
Or that the local humane society was on the premises the month before the
raid and found no problems. And none of the traditional media outlets are
mentioning that a long-time volunteer, Nanette Entriken, moved from (S
Carolina? I'm not sure what state she was from, just that it was on the
east coast) to a mobile home on the ranch grounds, and that a couple days
after the raid the cops came banging on her door early in the morning and
took her two cats away - her family members who had never been a part of
the ranch animals.

Overall I have to say that this is a sad event all around, and that the
Madison County Sheriff's Department and the humane organizations involved
in the raid should be ashamed of themselves. The ASPCA will never see
another penny of my money.

Neither will our RSPCA get any of my money either, but occasionally they do
good work in this sort of situation. It kills me to say this as I hate them.
No, I do not want to to say the h word. I dislike them.

Try and get them out to a badger hit by a car. You can forget it.

"Christina Websell" wrote in message
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"Bastette" wrote in message
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The ASPCA is wasting no time in using this situation to raise some money.
I just got a fundraising plea from them that starts out, "It's more
common
than you think. In fact, nearly a quarter-million animals fall victim to
animal hoarding..."

I dislike our RSPCA too, and do not to choose to support them as I find
them wanting in a lot of ways, but sometimes charities like this are the
only people who will move in, in this sort of situation, and I suppose
they need donations to do it.
I'm not sure of the legal status of the ASPA, but the RSPCA are a charity,
and strictly speaking, if they arrived on my doorstep tonight saying they
wanted, for example, to examine Boyfriend for signs of abuse, I could tell
them to f**k off.

Nevertheless, in serious situations the police do support them in getting
entry to premises where it's suspected animal abuse of any kind is
happening.

Tweed

On 3/13/2012 10:30 PM, Catlady wrote:
On Mar 13, 4:37 pm, wrote:
wrote:

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You mean when she left her husband to move in with Craig after they
had been having an affair? Her cats were on the property. In a raid
such as this, you don't pick and choose. It's all or nothing.

More of your lies. Her cats were take two days after the raid so what you
say is complete and utter bull****!

--
Adrian

The raid took several days. Nanette has been lying through her teeth
ever since this happened. If you think she is telling the truth I have
a nice bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in...

http://www.lifewithcats.tv/2012/02/2...eizure-update/

http://youtu.be/3CiaB77Axgs

Good gawds, if they are being "held as evidence", given the delays in
our so-called "justice system", that means those poor creatures will be
in tiny cages, alone and afraid for possible a year or longer until the
case finally comes to trial. The longer they are held in those
conditions, the less "adoptable" they will become. They'll be lucky if
a very small fraction ever get out of those cages into anything else but
a euthanasia room.

--
Hugs,

CatNipped
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On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:53:22 -0000, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Bastette" wrote in message
.. .
The ASPCA is wasting no time in using this situation to raise some money.
I just got a fundraising plea from them that starts out, "It's more common
than you think. In fact, nearly a quarter-million animals fall victim to
animal hoarding..."

I dislike our RSPCA too, and do not to choose to support them as I find them
wanting in a lot of ways, but sometimes charities like this are the only
people who will move in, in this sort of situation, and I suppose they need
donations to do it.
I'm not sure of the legal status of the ASPA, but the RSPCA are a charity,
and strictly speaking, if they arrived on my doorstep tonight saying they
wanted, for example, to examine Boyfriend for signs of abuse, I could tell
them to f**k off.

Nevertheless, in serious situations the police do support them in getting
entry to premises where it's suspected animal abuse of any kind is
happening.

Tweed


The ASPCA offen operates with police powers and with actual police.
That is necessary and something I'm in favor (or favour) of.

On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:35:45 -0000, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Catlady" wrote in message
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On Mar 12, 8:56 pm, "Christina Websell"
wrote:
"Judith Latham" wrote in message

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In article
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Adrian wrote:
"Christina Websell" wrote:
"Amelia T Cat" wrote in message
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Stop making excuses for them, Dan. There were dead and decomposing
cats there, or was it all made up?

You weren't there Christina so you don't know! Stories like that are
made up all the time, it is obvious there is a vendetta against
Caboodle
Ranch.

I've just been on the Caboodle website. I agree, I think it was done out
out spite and viciousness. I wouldn't want the people who have done that
to have any power over any animal or human.

Judith

So both of you believe it is all not true?
I think it is.
It's very sad.-

I agree, and what's frightening is that there are so many that think
this way, despite the plethora of evidence that justifies the raid and
seizure of these poor cats. And they are the reason situations like
this happen and continue to happen. It is enabling, plain and simple.
This is not rocket science, and if you look at history, I would
challenge them to come up with even ONE example of a raid such as this
that was done where they said there was absolutely nothing wrong and
gave all the animals back. 700 cats roaming on 30 acres, one man and a
couple of sporadic volunteers. It is a disaster that was waiting to
happen and finally did.


You're likely right, but the timing of it seemed to coincide with a
bill in the Florida legislature that PETA opposed. PETA believes that
any animal living under less than ideal circumstances should be put to
death. The bill (as I understand it) would have required agencies to
give cats to no-kill shelters rather than having them euthanized. PETA
believes that euthanization is better than an animal living in a
no-kill shelter.

They may have a point, but the timing of this raid looked like an
attempt to stop that bill from being passed, so it promotes suspicion
that there was an agenda and not just a rescue. Most of the animals
seized will probably be killed, although generally a big publicity
raid like this does bring out lots of folks who will adopt. We can
certainly hope so. Of course, that means that other animals that might
have been adopted won't be.

On 3/15/2012 8:29 AM, dgk wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:35:45 -0000, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


wrote in message
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On Mar 12, 8:56 pm, "Christina Websell"
wrote:
"Judith wrote in message

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In article
,
wrote:
"Christina wrote:
"Amelia T wrote in message
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Stop making excuses for them, Dan. There were dead and decomposing
cats there, or was it all made up?

You weren't there Christina so you don't know! Stories like that are
made up all the time, it is obvious there is a vendetta against
Caboodle
Ranch.

I've just been on the Caboodle website. I agree, I think it was done out
out spite and viciousness. I wouldn't want the people who have done that
to have any power over any animal or human.

Judith

So both of you believe it is all not true?
I think it is.
It's very sad.-

I agree, and what's frightening is that there are so many that think
this way, despite the plethora of evidence that justifies the raid and
seizure of these poor cats. And they are the reason situations like
this happen and continue to happen. It is enabling, plain and simple.
This is not rocket science, and if you look at history, I would
challenge them to come up with even ONE example of a raid such as this
that was done where they said there was absolutely nothing wrong and
gave all the animals back. 700 cats roaming on 30 acres, one man and a
couple of sporadic volunteers. It is a disaster that was waiting to
happen and finally did.


You're likely right, but the timing of it seemed to coincide with a
bill in the Florida legislature that PETA opposed. PETA believes that
any animal living under less than ideal circumstances should be put to
death. The bill (as I understand it) would have required agencies to
give cats to no-kill shelters rather than having them euthanized. PETA
believes that euthanization is better than an animal living in a
no-kill shelter.

They may have a point, but the timing of this raid looked like an
attempt to stop that bill from being passed, so it promotes suspicion
that there was an agenda and not just a rescue. Most of the animals
seized will probably be killed, although generally a big publicity
raid like this does bring out lots of folks who will adopt. We can
certainly hope so. Of course, that means that other animals that might
have been adopted won't be.

They're not allowing any adoptions because the cats themselves are
"evidence" in the cast against Craig. That's the part that makes me sick.

--
Hugs,

CatNipped
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