Long-time chronic diarrhea problem...

"Hank" wrote in message ...
OP here... Thanks all for the support. I had questioned the vet about the WD
decision noting it's stated purpose. He said the fiber might help with the
runs, and should still have enough urinary ingredients.

What?!? Fiber will increade intestinal irritation. I'd get a second
opinion form a feline specialist.


I've heard from this thread and others suggesting to stop food (keep water)
for 24 hours, then start a diet of boiled chicken and rice. I think I may do
this and see how it goes. Should it be chicken breast, or the more fatty
thighs, keep the skin (lot's of fat there)?

No skin - just meat. Minimal fat. Dark meat is ok.


Also, I think I'll try a different vet, and will also check the resouces
listed by an above poster on alternative veterinarians.

Best of luck!

-L.

"Hank" wrote in message ...
OP here... Thanks all for the support. I had questioned the vet about the WD
decision noting it's stated purpose. He said the fiber might help with the
runs, and should still have enough urinary ingredients.

What?!? Fiber will increade intestinal irritation. I'd get a second
opinion form a feline specialist.


I've heard from this thread and others suggesting to stop food (keep water)
for 24 hours, then start a diet of boiled chicken and rice. I think I may do
this and see how it goes. Should it be chicken breast, or the more fatty
thighs, keep the skin (lot's of fat there)?

No skin - just meat. Minimal fat. Dark meat is ok.


Also, I think I'll try a different vet, and will also check the resouces
listed by an above poster on alternative veterinarians.

Best of luck!

-L.

In ,
Cheryl being of bellicose mind posted:
In link.net,
Philip ® composed with style:


Diverticulums in humans is the result of insufficient dietary
fiber, too much sugar, too much fat, and too much protein. I
just had an endoscopic exam about a year ago and for an American
man of my age, I had remarkably few diverticulums (6 small ones,
total). Things with small seeds (bananas, kiwi fruit,
cucumbers, strawberries, black/blue/rasp-berries, etc) must
avoided if a diverticulum becomes infected with an impacted
debris. Diverticulosis in people can come about from aspirin,
caffene, insufficient dietary fiber, nervous conditions, etc.
Do you think it's any different in cats?

The cats GI tract is not like a humans. That is *part* of what
makes them an obligate carnivore.

The length of the their tract is shorter for their size than humans
(humans tract longer so that vegetable matter will digest properly).
But tell me Cheryl, how is a cat's different in any other significant
way.


Of my two old Siamese, the male in his old age developed a
leison in his anus which bled from time to time. But the
bleeding occured NOT when he had a BM, rather when he
occasionally scooted his anus across the rug at the back door
where people wipe their feet. That was a really ROUGH rug. But
what are you gonna do, right? Stupid cat.


Sounds like an anal sac problem to me, possibly.

Hemorrhoid.

Wonder if anyone out there has slipped their cat some Fleet's
Phosopho Soda or had a vet give their cat an enema? LOL

Not a laughing matter. My RB cat Marley with megacolon had to have
enemas (by the vet, I sure couldn't do it) every two weeks up until
the end where he would have needed one every few days if he had
continued to eat. Very sad to watch a cat go through that and
have to decide between final rest or removal of the diseased part
of the colon which has its own set of problems.

You really need to learn a few things about cats before you start
doling out advice on health matters.

Cheryl, considering the wealth of serious maladies that your cats
have endured, I'd say you have a lot to UNlearn. As far as
dispensing advise, a quick screening of your posts reveals this is
your turf. I tell you want I've done for many many years. Your
mileage may vary.
--

~~Philip

"Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"

In ,
Cheryl being of bellicose mind posted:
In link.net,
Philip ® composed with style:


Diverticulums in humans is the result of insufficient dietary
fiber, too much sugar, too much fat, and too much protein. I
just had an endoscopic exam about a year ago and for an American
man of my age, I had remarkably few diverticulums (6 small ones,
total). Things with small seeds (bananas, kiwi fruit,
cucumbers, strawberries, black/blue/rasp-berries, etc) must
avoided if a diverticulum becomes infected with an impacted
debris. Diverticulosis in people can come about from aspirin,
caffene, insufficient dietary fiber, nervous conditions, etc.
Do you think it's any different in cats?

The cats GI tract is not like a humans. That is *part* of what
makes them an obligate carnivore.

The length of the their tract is shorter for their size than humans
(humans tract longer so that vegetable matter will digest properly).
But tell me Cheryl, how is a cat's different in any other significant
way.


Of my two old Siamese, the male in his old age developed a
leison in his anus which bled from time to time. But the
bleeding occured NOT when he had a BM, rather when he
occasionally scooted his anus across the rug at the back door
where people wipe their feet. That was a really ROUGH rug. But
what are you gonna do, right? Stupid cat.


Sounds like an anal sac problem to me, possibly.

Hemorrhoid.

Wonder if anyone out there has slipped their cat some Fleet's
Phosopho Soda or had a vet give their cat an enema? LOL

Not a laughing matter. My RB cat Marley with megacolon had to have
enemas (by the vet, I sure couldn't do it) every two weeks up until
the end where he would have needed one every few days if he had
continued to eat. Very sad to watch a cat go through that and
have to decide between final rest or removal of the diseased part
of the colon which has its own set of problems.

You really need to learn a few things about cats before you start
doling out advice on health matters.

Cheryl, considering the wealth of serious maladies that your cats
have endured, I'd say you have a lot to UNlearn. As far as
dispensing advise, a quick screening of your posts reveals this is
your turf. I tell you want I've done for many many years. Your
mileage may vary.
--

~~Philip

"Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"

In ,
Cheryl being of bellicose mind posted:
In link.net,
Philip ® composed with style:


Diverticulums in humans is the result of insufficient dietary
fiber, too much sugar, too much fat, and too much protein. I
just had an endoscopic exam about a year ago and for an American
man of my age, I had remarkably few diverticulums (6 small ones,
total). Things with small seeds (bananas, kiwi fruit,
cucumbers, strawberries, black/blue/rasp-berries, etc) must
avoided if a diverticulum becomes infected with an impacted
debris. Diverticulosis in people can come about from aspirin,
caffene, insufficient dietary fiber, nervous conditions, etc.
Do you think it's any different in cats?

The cats GI tract is not like a humans. That is *part* of what
makes them an obligate carnivore.

The length of the their tract is shorter for their size than humans
(humans tract longer so that vegetable matter will digest properly).
But tell me Cheryl, how is a cat's different in any other significant
way.


Of my two old Siamese, the male in his old age developed a
leison in his anus which bled from time to time. But the
bleeding occured NOT when he had a BM, rather when he
occasionally scooted his anus across the rug at the back door
where people wipe their feet. That was a really ROUGH rug. But
what are you gonna do, right? Stupid cat.


Sounds like an anal sac problem to me, possibly.

Hemorrhoid.

Wonder if anyone out there has slipped their cat some Fleet's
Phosopho Soda or had a vet give their cat an enema? LOL

Not a laughing matter. My RB cat Marley with megacolon had to have
enemas (by the vet, I sure couldn't do it) every two weeks up until
the end where he would have needed one every few days if he had
continued to eat. Very sad to watch a cat go through that and
have to decide between final rest or removal of the diseased part
of the colon which has its own set of problems.

You really need to learn a few things about cats before you start
doling out advice on health matters.

Cheryl, considering the wealth of serious maladies that your cats
have endured, I'd say you have a lot to UNlearn. As far as
dispensing advise, a quick screening of your posts reveals this is
your turf. I tell you want I've done for many many years. Your
mileage may vary.
--

~~Philip

"Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"

In m,
-L. being of bellicose mind posted:
(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message
...
Can he tolerate people tuna (canned) or sardines?

Feeding a cat tuna is NOT a good idea.

Every vet I have ever talked to on-line or IRL has said that fish,
such as tuna packed in water, is ok as an occassional treat or in
instances where the cat refuses other food and is in danger of
hipatic
lipidosis, etc. Tuna is only a problem if it is a steady
component of
the diet.

In fact, many vets recommend mixing tuna with meds to get the cats
to
eat them.

-L.

Agreed. I've limited people grade Starkist tuna (in water) to about
10-20% of the weekly diet. None have every had constipation,
diarrhea, or any yakking up after consumption. Everything in
moderation.
--

~~Philip

"Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"

In m,
-L. being of bellicose mind posted:
(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message
...
Can he tolerate people tuna (canned) or sardines?

Feeding a cat tuna is NOT a good idea.

Every vet I have ever talked to on-line or IRL has said that fish,
such as tuna packed in water, is ok as an occassional treat or in
instances where the cat refuses other food and is in danger of
hipatic
lipidosis, etc. Tuna is only a problem if it is a steady
component of
the diet.

In fact, many vets recommend mixing tuna with meds to get the cats
to
eat them.

-L.

Agreed. I've limited people grade Starkist tuna (in water) to about
10-20% of the weekly diet. None have every had constipation,
diarrhea, or any yakking up after consumption. Everything in
moderation.
--

~~Philip

"Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"

In m,
-L. being of bellicose mind posted:
(GAUBSTER2) wrote in message
...
Can he tolerate people tuna (canned) or sardines?

Feeding a cat tuna is NOT a good idea.

Every vet I have ever talked to on-line or IRL has said that fish,
such as tuna packed in water, is ok as an occassional treat or in
instances where the cat refuses other food and is in danger of
hipatic
lipidosis, etc. Tuna is only a problem if it is a steady
component of
the diet.

In fact, many vets recommend mixing tuna with meds to get the cats
to
eat them.

-L.

Agreed. I've limited people grade Starkist tuna (in water) to about
10-20% of the weekly diet. None have every had constipation,
diarrhea, or any yakking up after consumption. Everything in
moderation.
--

~~Philip

"Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"

In m,
-L. being of bellicose mind posted:
"Hank" wrote in message
...
OP here... Thanks all for the support. I had questioned the vet
about the WD decision noting it's stated purpose. He said the
fiber might help with the runs, and should still have enough
urinary ingredients.

What?!? Fiber will increase intestinal irritation. I'd get a
second
opinion from a feline specialist.

Consider there are numerous grades of dietary fiber ranging from
husks to herbs that increase water retention in the colon and thereby
increase mobility. So your blanket condemnation is faulty.

I've heard from this thread and others suggesting to stop food
(keep water) for 24 hours, then start a diet of boiled chicken
and rice. I think I may do this and see how it goes. Should it
be chicken breast, or the more fatty thighs, keep the skin
(lot's of fat there)?

No skin - just meat. Minimal fat. Dark meat is ok.


Also, I think I'll try a different vet, and will also check the
resouces listed by an above poster on alternative veterinarians.

Best of luck!

-L.

--

~~Philip

"Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"

In m,
-L. being of bellicose mind posted:
"Hank" wrote in message
...
OP here... Thanks all for the support. I had questioned the vet
about the WD decision noting it's stated purpose. He said the
fiber might help with the runs, and should still have enough
urinary ingredients.

What?!? Fiber will increase intestinal irritation. I'd get a
second
opinion from a feline specialist.

Consider there are numerous grades of dietary fiber ranging from
husks to herbs that increase water retention in the colon and thereby
increase mobility. So your blanket condemnation is faulty.

I've heard from this thread and others suggesting to stop food
(keep water) for 24 hours, then start a diet of boiled chicken
and rice. I think I may do this and see how it goes. Should it
be chicken breast, or the more fatty thighs, keep the skin
(lot's of fat there)?

No skin - just meat. Minimal fat. Dark meat is ok.


Also, I think I'll try a different vet, and will also check the
resouces listed by an above poster on alternative veterinarians.

Best of luck!

-L.

--

~~Philip

"Never let school interfere
with your education - Mark Twain"