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Old September 22nd 04, 05:08 PM
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"formerly known as 'cat arranger'" wrote
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I really didn't want to brutalize someone who hadn't
seen the movie but I'm glad to have someone to talk
to about it.

You bring up the excellent point about necessity. My
problem was that I saw the clip without the sound the
first time. When I couldn't believe what I saw I watched
it again with the sound track. It was a very different thing.
I don't agree that it is the same as regular food because
the animal was a pet and if ever there was an example of
a Judas goat then that was it. I wonder if that saying
somehow unconsciously prompted the scene. There are
so many examples of farmers who can't do what she did
because the animals have become pets. I don't know if
you would feel the same way if you watched without the
sound track. It looked like one of the cruelest things I've
ever seen and it seemed to be intended to be that way.
I doubt very many people are that cruel. Yes I'm a vegan
except for egg whites and milk. I used to eat chicken until
we got some for eggs and they became pets. After you've
had a chicken jump into your lap and take bread from your
lips and ride on your arm like one of those peregrine falcons,
... it makes me laugh thinking about it... then it's hard to eat
them. The same thing happened to me when I was exposed
to cows at a horse ranch.


Personally, I don't think I could do that, either (although my parents
killed and cooked a "pet" chicken when I was a kid - I refused supper that
night). But I have to ask, which would you prefer to be, an animal that was
loved, petted, cared for and then killed to provide sustenance, or an animal
that is kept in a cage its entire life, force fed to be fattened up, and
then herded into pens smelling of blood and fear to be slaughtered
wholesale? I'd pick the first.

Hugs,

CatNipped


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Old September 22nd 04, 05:12 PM
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"Richard Evans" wrote in message
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"formerly known as 'cat arranger'"
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: Yes, I think I know to what you're referring


For the sake of those of us who don't, how about a clue? I saw the
movie. The only scene I can remember is possibly the one where they
killed the rooster.

Dick Evans


The scene where the old lady kills her "pet" goat to feed herself and the
injured soldier.

Hugs,

CatNipped


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Old September 22nd 04, 05:12 PM
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"Richard Evans" wrote in message
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"formerly known as 'cat arranger'"
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: Yes, I think I know to what you're referring


For the sake of those of us who don't, how about a clue? I saw the
movie. The only scene I can remember is possibly the one where they
killed the rooster.

Dick Evans


The scene where the old lady kills her "pet" goat to feed herself and the
injured soldier.

Hugs,

CatNipped


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Old September 22nd 04, 07:28 PM
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"CatNipped" wrote:


Personally, I don't think I could do that, either (although my parents
killed and cooked a "pet" chicken when I was a kid - I refused supper that
night).


Now I know which scene. Yes, I guess it bothered me too.

I grew up sort of a farm kid. We had a working farm for a while (circa
1950), and even after my dad gave that up and went into corporate life
we still lived in the country and had animals. We used to butcher
chickens and that never bothered me. But we raised a calf for meat and
when the time came we couldn't butcher it. We did sell it, and I
suppose it ultimately was butchered. For years therafter we'd
speculate on whether we were eating "Sammy" when my mother served
roast beef.

Times change, and sentiments change. Thirty years ago I was an avid
hunter. Now I live in a heavily wooded suburb and take more delight in
feeding the squirrels, rabbits, and deer than I would in using them as
food.

Dick

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Old September 22nd 04, 07:28 PM
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"CatNipped" wrote:


Personally, I don't think I could do that, either (although my parents
killed and cooked a "pet" chicken when I was a kid - I refused supper that
night).


Now I know which scene. Yes, I guess it bothered me too.

I grew up sort of a farm kid. We had a working farm for a while (circa
1950), and even after my dad gave that up and went into corporate life
we still lived in the country and had animals. We used to butcher
chickens and that never bothered me. But we raised a calf for meat and
when the time came we couldn't butcher it. We did sell it, and I
suppose it ultimately was butchered. For years therafter we'd
speculate on whether we were eating "Sammy" when my mother served
roast beef.

Times change, and sentiments change. Thirty years ago I was an avid
hunter. Now I live in a heavily wooded suburb and take more delight in
feeding the squirrels, rabbits, and deer than I would in using them as
food.

Dick

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Old September 22nd 04, 08:29 PM
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"Richard Evans" wrote in message
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Now I know which scene. Yes, I guess it bothered me too.

I grew up sort of a farm kid. We had a working farm for a while (circa
1950), and even after my dad gave that up and went into corporate life
we still lived in the country and had animals. We used to butcher
chickens and that never bothered me. But we raised a calf for meat and
when the time came we couldn't butcher it. We did sell it, and I
suppose it ultimately was butchered. For years therafter we'd
speculate on whether we were eating "Sammy" when my mother served
roast beef.

Times change, and sentiments change. Thirty years ago I was an avid
hunter. Now I live in a heavily wooded suburb and take more delight in
feeding the squirrels, rabbits, and deer than I would in using them as
food.

Dick


I live with 4 carnivores and 1 other omnivore, and was also reared in the
country, so I take a more prosaic view on this topic. I have no problem
with hunters who hunt for food (my daughter and SIL always have a freezer
full of venison and wild boar and this helps tremendously with their grocery
bills for themselves and their 3 daughters). I *do* have a problem with
hunters how hunt for "sport" or trophies (although if you watch a cat hunt,
you will see them "play" with their prey - does anyone here know if the
extra adrenaline thus produced by the prey adds flavor or a necessary
ingredient to a cat's diet, is that why they do it or is it just for fun??).

We live in a world that is dominated by the food chain, a natural
progression of eat and be eaten (and despite what you've heard, man is not
always on top of the food chain). If it's a matter of killing in order to
continue living then I'm not going to volunteer to cease living. Man was
evolved to exist on a varied diet including meat. Today we have the luxury
of being able to take diet supplements or to vary our diets to include
vegetable proteins, but this is only a recent development. I think that,
for the people who do purchase meat at the grocery, to denigrate those who
kill their own food is being hypocritical - but to be fair, neither cattle,
chickens, goats, or lambs (among other domesticated food animals) are being
threatened by extinction, but there are some hunted animals that are.

Hugs,

CatNipped


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Old September 22nd 04, 08:29 PM
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"Richard Evans" wrote in message
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Now I know which scene. Yes, I guess it bothered me too.

I grew up sort of a farm kid. We had a working farm for a while (circa
1950), and even after my dad gave that up and went into corporate life
we still lived in the country and had animals. We used to butcher
chickens and that never bothered me. But we raised a calf for meat and
when the time came we couldn't butcher it. We did sell it, and I
suppose it ultimately was butchered. For years therafter we'd
speculate on whether we were eating "Sammy" when my mother served
roast beef.

Times change, and sentiments change. Thirty years ago I was an avid
hunter. Now I live in a heavily wooded suburb and take more delight in
feeding the squirrels, rabbits, and deer than I would in using them as
food.

Dick


I live with 4 carnivores and 1 other omnivore, and was also reared in the
country, so I take a more prosaic view on this topic. I have no problem
with hunters who hunt for food (my daughter and SIL always have a freezer
full of venison and wild boar and this helps tremendously with their grocery
bills for themselves and their 3 daughters). I *do* have a problem with
hunters how hunt for "sport" or trophies (although if you watch a cat hunt,
you will see them "play" with their prey - does anyone here know if the
extra adrenaline thus produced by the prey adds flavor or a necessary
ingredient to a cat's diet, is that why they do it or is it just for fun??).

We live in a world that is dominated by the food chain, a natural
progression of eat and be eaten (and despite what you've heard, man is not
always on top of the food chain). If it's a matter of killing in order to
continue living then I'm not going to volunteer to cease living. Man was
evolved to exist on a varied diet including meat. Today we have the luxury
of being able to take diet supplements or to vary our diets to include
vegetable proteins, but this is only a recent development. I think that,
for the people who do purchase meat at the grocery, to denigrate those who
kill their own food is being hypocritical - but to be fair, neither cattle,
chickens, goats, or lambs (among other domesticated food animals) are being
threatened by extinction, but there are some hunted animals that are.

Hugs,

CatNipped


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Old September 22nd 04, 09:03 PM
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"CatNipped" wrote in message
...
: "Richard Evans" wrote in message
: news :
: Now I know which scene. Yes, I guess it bothered me too.
:
: I grew up sort of a farm kid. We had a working farm for a while (circa
: 1950), and even after my dad gave that up and went into corporate life
: we still lived in the country and had animals. We used to butcher
: chickens and that never bothered me. But we raised a calf for meat and
: when the time came we couldn't butcher it. We did sell it, and I
: suppose it ultimately was butchered. For years therafter we'd
: speculate on whether we were eating "Sammy" when my mother served
: roast beef.
:
: Times change, and sentiments change. Thirty years ago I was an avid
: hunter. Now I live in a heavily wooded suburb and take more delight in
: feeding the squirrels, rabbits, and deer than I would in using them as
: food.
:
: Dick
:
: I live with 4 carnivores and 1 other omnivore, and was also reared in the
: country, so I take a more prosaic view on this topic. I have no problem
: with hunters who hunt for food (my daughter and SIL always have a freezer
: full of venison and wild boar and this helps tremendously with their
grocery
: bills for themselves and their 3 daughters). I *do* have a problem with
: hunters how hunt for "sport" or trophies (although if you watch a cat
hunt,
: you will see them "play" with their prey - does anyone here know if the
: extra adrenaline thus produced by the prey adds flavor or a necessary
: ingredient to a cat's diet, is that why they do it or is it just for
fun??).
:
: We live in a world that is dominated by the food chain, a natural
: progression of eat and be eaten (and despite what you've heard, man is not
: always on top of the food chain). If it's a matter of killing in order to
: continue living then I'm not going to volunteer to cease living. Man was
: evolved to exist on a varied diet including meat. Today we have the
luxury
: of being able to take diet supplements or to vary our diets to include
: vegetable proteins, but this is only a recent development. I think that,
: for the people who do purchase meat at the grocery, to denigrate those who
: kill their own food is being hypocritical - but to be fair, neither
cattle,
: chickens, goats, or lambs (among other domesticated food animals) are
being
: threatened by extinction, but there are some hunted animals that are.
:
: Hugs,
:
: CatNipped
:
:

I don't have a problem with people or animals killing for
food. I do have a problem with someone petting a goat
and having the goat look up lovingly and trustingly and
then have someone pull out a knife and cut its throat. It's
the things kids nightmares are made of and a depiction of
humans as unusually cruel. And the depiction of her caring
about the goat enough for it to be that attached and trusting
in her makes it all the more disgusting and perverted.
I really didn't want to describe this but I am giving in to
the impulse to my own need for catharsis... and in the
giving other people who read this an unnecessarily
unpleasant mental picture.

If anyone who hasn't seen the movie and feels like seeing
what I mean and wondering if children who don't understand
the pat rationalization being spoken while this barbarous
act is being done, rent the movie and watch the 5th chapter
with no sound. It's about 1 minute into that chapter of the
DVD.




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Old September 22nd 04, 09:03 PM
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"CatNipped" wrote in message
...
: "Richard Evans" wrote in message
: news :
: Now I know which scene. Yes, I guess it bothered me too.
:
: I grew up sort of a farm kid. We had a working farm for a while (circa
: 1950), and even after my dad gave that up and went into corporate life
: we still lived in the country and had animals. We used to butcher
: chickens and that never bothered me. But we raised a calf for meat and
: when the time came we couldn't butcher it. We did sell it, and I
: suppose it ultimately was butchered. For years therafter we'd
: speculate on whether we were eating "Sammy" when my mother served
: roast beef.
:
: Times change, and sentiments change. Thirty years ago I was an avid
: hunter. Now I live in a heavily wooded suburb and take more delight in
: feeding the squirrels, rabbits, and deer than I would in using them as
: food.
:
: Dick
:
: I live with 4 carnivores and 1 other omnivore, and was also reared in the
: country, so I take a more prosaic view on this topic. I have no problem
: with hunters who hunt for food (my daughter and SIL always have a freezer
: full of venison and wild boar and this helps tremendously with their
grocery
: bills for themselves and their 3 daughters). I *do* have a problem with
: hunters how hunt for "sport" or trophies (although if you watch a cat
hunt,
: you will see them "play" with their prey - does anyone here know if the
: extra adrenaline thus produced by the prey adds flavor or a necessary
: ingredient to a cat's diet, is that why they do it or is it just for
fun??).
:
: We live in a world that is dominated by the food chain, a natural
: progression of eat and be eaten (and despite what you've heard, man is not
: always on top of the food chain). If it's a matter of killing in order to
: continue living then I'm not going to volunteer to cease living. Man was
: evolved to exist on a varied diet including meat. Today we have the
luxury
: of being able to take diet supplements or to vary our diets to include
: vegetable proteins, but this is only a recent development. I think that,
: for the people who do purchase meat at the grocery, to denigrate those who
: kill their own food is being hypocritical - but to be fair, neither
cattle,
: chickens, goats, or lambs (among other domesticated food animals) are
being
: threatened by extinction, but there are some hunted animals that are.
:
: Hugs,
:
: CatNipped
:
:

I don't have a problem with people or animals killing for
food. I do have a problem with someone petting a goat
and having the goat look up lovingly and trustingly and
then have someone pull out a knife and cut its throat. It's
the things kids nightmares are made of and a depiction of
humans as unusually cruel. And the depiction of her caring
about the goat enough for it to be that attached and trusting
in her makes it all the more disgusting and perverted.
I really didn't want to describe this but I am giving in to
the impulse to my own need for catharsis... and in the
giving other people who read this an unnecessarily
unpleasant mental picture.

If anyone who hasn't seen the movie and feels like seeing
what I mean and wondering if children who don't understand
the pat rationalization being spoken while this barbarous
act is being done, rent the movie and watch the 5th chapter
with no sound. It's about 1 minute into that chapter of the
DVD.




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Old September 23rd 04, 12:06 AM
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In the fine newsgroup "rec.pets.cats.rescue", "CatNipped"
artfully composed this message within
on 22 Sep 2004:

(although if you watch a cat hunt,
you will see them "play" with their prey - does anyone here know
if the extra adrenaline thus produced by the prey adds flavor or
a necessary ingredient to a cat's diet, is that why they do it
or is it just for fun??).


That is an interesting thought, and I wonder if it has been studied?
Now I also wonder if it aids in digestive enzyme building? If this is
a possibility, I wonder if this is why so many cats now have
digestive and other autoimmune deficiencies, maybe due to lack of
digestive enzymes?

--
Cheryl
 




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