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Marina wrote:
On 16/01/2011 01:19, wrote: Everyone who knew and cared about feline nutrition was dogmatic about raw food. ... Whereas those who thought cooked food was fine would post recipes that even I could see was lacking in proper nutrition... Yet canned cat food is cooked, so I know it's possible!! I think they add stuff like taurine after the catfood has been cooked. The taurine is, I think, the big issue. Also, calcium. They would naturally get that from the bones of prey. So a cat food manufacturer has to add a certain amount of it to the canned food (and dry). There are other nutrients as well, but I don't remember what they are. The main thing I took away from my research into the subject is that it's impossible to create a generic recipe for home cooked cat food that has the right balance of nutrients, because it all depends on what type of meat you're using, as well as some other factors which I now forget. And apparently, at least according to a number of people, that balance has to be *exact*. I don't know, maybe the people I was talking to were more fanatical than I would think is necessary. I got most of my information from an email list called "whole cat health", a group focused on holistic approaches to feline health. Which I think is great, but they were very insistent that one should feed raw food - ideally by buying a whole animal such as a chicken, and grinding the whole thing up in a meat grinder so the food will have bones and organ meats along with the muscle meat, and would contain the right amounts of taurine and calcium and other stuff. This probably is an excellent way to feed your cat, but I am simply not willing to do it. The gross-out factor and the phobia factor make it impossible for me. (Is this what you do, btw?) At one point, I said that if I couldn't find out how to make decent cooked food for my cats, I was just going to continue feeding them Friskies, because at least Friskies hadn't needed any recalls. This was in 2007 and was before I discovered Wellness brand. Anyway, this statement deeply offended the moderator and main guru of the list, and she was terribly sarcastic with me, so I didn't think I was going to get anywhere with that group. But you wouldn't believe how ignorant most people are about cat nutrition, even those who cook their cats' food. I didn't trust their advice at all. It's lucky that I discovered Wellness and just decided to switch to that. I wish you had this vitamin pill for cats that we have here. A few years ago, they changed their name from a very Finnish-sounding name (Pirskatti) to the more international Multicat, and I thought they were probably going to start exporting it, but I don't know if it's found its way across the pond yet. I believe it's popular in Germany, at least. I'll look around for it. I seem to remember hearing about nutrient supplements for cats who ate home-cooked meat, but at the time I was as suspicious of that stuff as I was of commercial cat food. I mean, how could I be sure where *that* was manufactured and what had been added to it? I wanted to feed them food that was sold for human consumption, because I figured the food safety regulations would be more strictly enforced. This was before the poisoned toothpaste and milk and all that. LOL on "international". Sad but very true. Joyce -- Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to merge his car onto a freeway. |
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Marina wrote: But my niece has told me of a breeder of Russian Blues, who gives only raw chicken wings to her cats. That's their only food, and they thrive on it. I don't know if she gives them the supplement too. Maybe you could try that? A word of warning, though. I did try that a couple of times, but Caliban insisted on dragging the wings around the flat, growling fiercely, before he ate them, so he made a terrible mess. I would also find half-eaten wings here and there on the floor, and that would probably gross you out as much as grinding whole chickens. hahahaha! There seem to be a lot of commercial "raw diet" or "freezedried raw diet" products now. If one distrusts any commercial cat food one might not trust those either, I guess, but if I decided to feed my cats a raw diet I would be looking into those before embarking on grinding up whole chickens. -- Stef ** ** ** cat-and-dragon.com/stef ** firecat.dreamwidth.org** ** Curiosity is a lust of the mind. -- Thomas Hobbes |
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"Stef" wrote in message ... In article , Marina wrote: But my niece has told me of a breeder of Russian Blues, who gives only raw chicken wings to her cats. That's their only food, and they thrive on it. I don't know if she gives them the supplement too. Maybe you could try that? A word of warning, though. I did try that a couple of times, but Caliban insisted on dragging the wings around the flat, growling fiercely, before he ate them, so he made a terrible mess. I would also find half-eaten wings here and there on the floor, and that would probably gross you out as much as grinding whole chickens. hahahaha! There seem to be a lot of commercial "raw diet" or "freezedried raw diet" products now. If one distrusts any commercial cat food one might not trust those either, I guess, but if I decided to feed my cats a raw diet I would be looking into those before embarking on grinding up whole chickens. I've been doing the raw diet thing with my new cat since November. I'm lucky enough to be able to buy whole ground chickens (with bones and organs included) from a farm that ships here. I don't own a meat grinder. I do, however, have to cut up the extra organ meat (livers and hearts) by hand - which is hard work despite the gross-out factor. The worst part about the entire thing is the awful rotten smell that raw meat gets if I don't rinse the sandwich bags I use to portion out the meals before I throw them out. Before I discovered the farm I order from now I was going to try out TC Feline, which is a dry mix that you add boneless chicken thighs and liver to. A lot easier to deal with, and much less gross-out for the average person. I decided against it only because I was able to easily obtain whole ground chickens with bones and organs included. |
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Marina wrote:
But my niece has told me of a breeder of Russian Blues, who gives only raw chicken wings to her cats. That's their only food, and they thrive on it. I don't know if she gives them the supplement too. Maybe you could try that? A word of warning, though. I did try that a couple of times, but Caliban insisted on dragging the wings around the flat, growling fiercely, before he ate them, so he made a terrible mess. I would also find half-eaten wings here and there on the floor, and that would probably gross you out as much as grinding whole chickens. That does sound kind of gross, but must have been pretty funny, too. All of a sudden, tame, ultra-domesticated Caliban shows you his inner wild cat? Mostly I'm just a bit germ-phobic, so handling raw meat, or getting bits of it on things, is what really bothers me about it. If I had an all-stainless-steel kitchen that I could hose down afterward, I might consider it! Also, Licky likes to stash all sorts of things in hidden places, and the idea that it might be part of a raw chicken wing makes me shudder. It would probably just sit there and rot and then start to smell. Then again, I'd probably be able to find it pretty easily - just follow the ant trail. Joyce -- - Your mom and I are going to divorce next month. - What??? Why! Call me please? - I wrote Disney and this phone changed it. We are going to Disney. -- damnyouautocorrect.com |
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I tried a few cans of Wellness turkey (from the New Jersey plant). The
cats liked it so it is just the chicken from that plant that they don't like. I have informed Wellness about this and they will look into it. In the meantime, I will use the turkey. ---MIKE--- In the White Mountains of New Hampshire (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') |
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