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R.I.P. Friesian Mare Gerda (OT)
"Pat" wrote in message .. . I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda (http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which was breech and also did not survive. You don't wanna know the gory details. I could have waited another hour or so to hear them myself.... I am so immensely sad for all concerned, as well as extremely glad that I did not have to be there as it was happening. According to Gloria, the vet arrived too late to save her but in time to put her down before she suffered much. Oh this is sad. Poor mare, poor baby. *hugs* helen s |
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R.I.P. Friesian Mare Gerda (OT)
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:39:53 -0500, Irulan wrote
(in article ): [Snip] Please call Lynda. She hasn't been able to reach you for a week and is worried. Thanks, Stephen |
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R.I.P. Friesian Mare Gerda (OT)
I'm so very, very sorry, Pat.
Christine "Pat" wrote in message .. . I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda (http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which was breech and also did not survive. You don't wanna know the gory details. I could have waited another hour or so to hear them myself.... I am so immensely sad for all concerned, as well as extremely glad that I did not have to be there as it was happening. According to Gloria, the vet arrived too late to save her but in time to put her down before she suffered much. |
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R.I.P. Friesian Mare Gerda (OT)
Pat wrote: I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda (http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which was breech and also did not survive. You don't wanna know the gory details. I could have waited another hour or so to hear them myself.... I am so immensely sad for all concerned, as well as extremely glad that I did not have to be there as it was happening. According to Gloria, the vet arrived too late to save her but in time to put her down before she suffered much. Good God, that is so sad! How did it happen? Did they not catch her in time to do anything about it, or did they just wait too long, or in horses, is there not much you *can* do about it? -L. |
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R.I.P. Friesian Mare Gerda (OT)
-L. wrote: Pat wrote: I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda (http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which was breech and also did not survive. You don't wanna know the gory details. I could have waited another hour or so to hear them myself.... I am so immensely sad for all concerned, as well as extremely glad that I did not have to be there as it was happening. According to Gloria, the vet arrived too late to save her but in time to put her down before she suffered much. Good God, that is so sad! How did it happen? Did they not catch her in time to do anything about it, or did they just wait too long, or in horses, is there not much you *can* do about it? -L. I know some folks who raise horses who do sonograms (the vet has a mobile machine) on first-time births or for some reason they suspect a problem. Or sometimes just routine, particularly for high-dollar thoroughbreds or just people who care very much about their horses. Other than that, there are people who just treat their horses like the ranchers do the cattle -- let nature take its course and hope for the best. Sherry |
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R.I.P. Friesian Mare Gerda (OT)
I'm sorry to hear about poor Gerda, her foal and her human family. Purrs
heading their way. Susan M Otis and Chester "Pat" wrote in message .. . I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda (http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which was breech and also did not survive. You don't wanna know the gory details. I could have waited another hour or so to hear them myself.... I am so immensely sad for all concerned, as well as extremely glad that I did not have to be there as it was happening. According to Gloria, the vet arrived too late to save her but in time to put her down before she suffered much. |
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R.I.P. Friesian Mare Gerda (OT)
"-L." wrote Good God, that is so sad! How did it happen? Did they not catch her in time to do anything about it, or did they just wait too long, or in horses, is there not much you *can* do about it? If you know about it early enough in the mare's labor (no easy feat), and if the mare is cooperative (also a tricky proposition), and the foaling attendant is exceptionally knowledgeable and has a long enough arm and enough strength and is very quick, sometimes a breech foal can be delivered alive without having to do an emergency C-section. The procedure involves reaching into the mare's uterus and finding the foal's feet and getting them into the birth canal without accidentally puncturing the uterus in the process, and then pulling the foal out quickly enough that it does not suffocate. Normally the head is out and the foal can breathe before the back part of its body is born but when it's coming feet-first the oxygen supply from the umbilicus will be cut off due to pressure, so the whole process of pulling the breech foal must be done extremely fast in order to save the foal and spare it from brain damage due to oxygen deprivation. In this case Gloria was out there in plenty of time and Gerda was very cooperative but according to the vet one of the baby's feet had probably already perforated the uterus before she even started trying to help, because her intestine was wrapped around the foal's legs. |
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R.I.P. Friesian Mare Gerda (OT)
wrote in message I know some folks who raise horses who do sonograms (the vet has a mobile machine) on first-time births or for some reason they suspect a problem. Or sometimes just routine, particularly for high-dollar thoroughbreds or just people who care very much about their horses. Other than that, there are people who just treat their horses like the ranchers do the cattle -- let nature take its course and hope for the best. Sonograms would have to be done *very* close to the time of foaling because the foal does not move into the final pre-foaling position until just prior to birth, and the time it will happen is so hard to predict. This is the first breech presentation she's encountered in her herd. Indeed, the first problem with foaling aside from two premies and a few retained placentae. Also, there is no vet that can get to the farm within a short enough time to do much good once a mare has gone into labor. When I was there she would speed-dial my number as soon as the foal alert went off if I wasn't already sleeping in the barn, and often by the time I sped the two-tenths of a mile to the barn, the baby was already on the ground. |
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R.I.P. Friesian Mare Gerda (OT)
Pat wrote: If you know about it early enough in the mare's labor (no easy feat), and if the mare is cooperative (also a tricky proposition), and the foaling attendant is exceptionally knowledgeable and has a long enough arm and enough strength and is very quick, sometimes a breech foal can be delivered alive without having to do an emergency C-section. The procedure involves reaching into the mare's uterus and finding the foal's feet and getting them into the birth canal without accidentally puncturing the uterus in the process, and then pulling the foal out quickly enough that it does not suffocate. Normally the head is out and the foal can breathe before the back part of its body is born but when it's coming feet-first the oxygen supply from the umbilicus will be cut off due to pressure, so the whole process of pulling the breech foal must be done extremely fast in order to save the foal and spare it from brain damage due to oxygen deprivation. In this case Gloria was out there in plenty of time and Gerda was very cooperative but according to the vet one of the baby's feet had probably already perforated the uterus before she even started trying to help, because her intestine was wrapped around the foal's legs. Oh Pat, I am so sorry - that's so sad! I am sure you all are just sick about it. -L. |
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R.I.P. Friesian Mare Gerda (OT)
Pat wrote:
I got a call from Gloria very early this morning. Gerda (http://friesianlover.com/gerda.html) died giving birth to her foal, which was breech and also did not survive. You don't wanna know the gory details. I could have waited another hour or so to hear them myself.... I am so immensely sad for all concerned, as well as extremely glad that I did not have to be there as it was happening. According to Gloria, the vet arrived too late to save her but in time to put her down before she suffered much. I'm so very sorry to hear about Gerda and her foal. Polonca and Soncek |
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