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Old May 18th 05, 12:41 AM
Philip
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KellyH wrote:
"Philip" wrote
Only rediculous to you because your value system does not have
business overhead to pay. Only rediculous to you because you are
not thinking of how CREATING a need that you can fill for your
"customers" can provide a lucrative revenue stream. Follow the
money trail, Kelly.


No, I don't think a vet would knowingly put a cat's life in danger.
Urinary tract blockages can be fatal.
By your reasoning, wouldn't it make more sense to do s/n later, or
not at all, to create more customers, aka cats?


You fail to follow my reasoning so your conclusion is invalid. As in ANY
profession, some practices taught in school result in a revenue stream for
recurring patches (income) instead of cures.



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Old May 18th 05, 04:08 AM
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Wow! I just assumed because the other shelter had Randi neutered that
everyone was doing it earlier now.
S-O-R-R-Y! lol
The woman who has the two kits (shelter volunteer) is taking them tonite
for shots, de-worming and tests for the nasties (the testing at my expense),
so technically I can bring them home as long as they test negative. They
are at her house in foster care now, not at a shelter.
I'll just see what my vet suggests..... Carol


"Phil P." wrote in message
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"ElvisRocks" wrote in message
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Hi all - I am getting two more kittens (Cali & Randi are fine now so now

I'm
able to add to my family) from the same shelter I got Cali, but they are

in
foster care - about 3 months old - two boys. They are not neutered yet;
what is the general age they do this now? When I got Randi he was done at

9
weeks before I got him. I'm getting them the end of the week. One is a
longhair gray and the other is black & white.
They're so cute - both males. Carol


Cats can be neutered safely anytime after 6 weeks but I prefer 8-12 weeks.
If I were you, I'd make an appointment to have them neutered on the same
day
you pick them up and bring them straight to the vet as soon as you get
them.

Congratulations and best of luck!

Phil







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Old May 18th 05, 06:18 AM
-L.
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Philip wrote:

Your "girls" have balls (testicles)?

I am developing an opinion that *very* *early* sterilization gets

vets more
customers, hence more revenue, (2)may well increase veterinary

business
later on from unrinary tract issues like blockages,


Nope.

(3)and is promoted in
the interest of the greater good. (argh).


It's done in many shelter situations to help stop the flow of cats in
the door. I worked for a high-volume feline specialty cat practice.
We saw often 70 cats a day, sometimes as many as 100 or 120. We
promoted early spay/neuter because people tend to put it off, and there
really is no reason to. Once it gets put off, it becomes less of a
priority and often it isn't done at all, and unwanted litters result.
I have literally participated in the early spay/neuter of thousands of
animals - we offered the service at cost or at no cost, depending on
income, simply to help control the cat over population problem, which,
if you don't know, is rampant in this country. The procedure is safe
(has been proven over the past 25+ years or so) and 100% effective in
preventing unwanted litters.

If you had ever worked at a facility where animals die for lack of
homes you would understand the importance of neutering and understand
why early S/N is being promoted. You may scoff at the cat
overpopulation problem - I don't. I have seen far too many healthy
cats and kittens on the kill piles. Somebody has to have an interest
in the "greater good" of the feline population. The people who do are
the true cat advocates. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you
volunteer at a kill shelter. You will understand in a very short
period of time.

-L.

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Old May 18th 05, 06:24 AM
-L.
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Philip wrote:

M developing theory is still sound. Around here, vets DO push for
sterilization ASAP. A package deal of shots and sterization for

$200+ is
common.


If you can get a whole series of vaccinations, exams and spay or neuter
for $200.00, do it. That's a good deal.


I've heard this from 4 vets personally and through several members
at our church. It's as much a money grab as it is "for the greater

good."

Kelly ... it is LARGELY about the money when you bottom line it.

Veterinary
is a business. Every vet has payroll and rent to meet, not to mention


insurances and taxes. When income is less than payout, eventually

you go
broke. And face it, vets are in business to stay in business. You

have to
sell ('educate') your customer by appealing to their emotions so they

feel
obliged to fork over a couple hundred dollars every time they walk in

the
door.


Vets don't make much money on spaying and neutering. Believe me. They
make a ****load of money on grooming*, declawing, consumables and
numerous other procedures (especially consults and exams) but spaying
and neutering are generally kept at a lower cost than most other
procedures because most vets understand the importance of S/N.

-L.
* I could spend 30 minutes doing a lion cut and bath on a cat - cost to
consumer - $90.00. It was a $115.00 minimum if gas sedation was
needed. I made $16.00/hr at the time. I generally groomed 8-10 cats a
day. You do the math. Even with overhead, the profit was huge.

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Old May 18th 05, 01:09 PM
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"-L." wrote
If you had ever worked at a facility where animals die for lack of
homes you would understand the importance of neutering and understand
why early S/N is being promoted. You may scoff at the cat
overpopulation problem - I don't. I have seen far too many healthy
cats and kittens on the kill piles. Somebody has to have an interest
in the "greater good" of the feline population. The people who do are
the true cat advocates. If you have a problem with that, I suggest you
volunteer at a kill shelter. You will understand in a very short
period of time.


Yep. We've taken in many litters because "I was going to get her spayed
when she's older" or "I thought she needed to go into heat first". One
year old unneutered males are also a popular turn-in because they have
started spraying. If these cats had been s/n at an early age, this wouldn't
have happened.

--
-Kelly


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Old May 18th 05, 03:29 PM
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"-L." wrote in message
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Philip wrote:

Your "girls" have balls (testicles)?

I am developing an opinion that *very* *early* sterilization gets

vets more
customers, hence more revenue, (2)may well increase veterinary

business
later on from unrinary tract issues like blockages,


Nope.


snipped the rest

Of all the cats I've had during my life, the only one with recurring urinary
blockages as he got older was the Siamese male. And he was clipped at 11
weeks. All the others were clipped at 6 to 11 months and those never had
urinary blockage. So a simple "nope" and "been doin' it for 25 yrs" falls
on deaf ears. What I do detect from you is preaching about the "greater
good" for the cat population. Where you live ... but not where I live. Our
problem is with stray K9's and macho Mexicans with their untrained pit bulls
attacking people.




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Old May 18th 05, 03:29 PM
Philip
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"-L." wrote in message
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Philip wrote:

M developing theory is still sound. Around here, vets DO push for
sterilization ASAP. A package deal of shots and sterization for

$200+ is
common.


If you can get a whole series of vaccinations, exams and spay or neuter
for $200.00, do it. That's a good deal.


No, that JUST for the initial shots required by law and neutering for what
is expected to be an indoor/outdoor kitten! You want more shots and blood
tests? Double that figure.


Vets don't make much money on spaying and neutering. Believe me. They
make a ****load of money on grooming*, declawing, consumables and
numerous other procedures (especially consults and exams) but spaying
and neutering are generally kept at a lower cost than most other
procedures because most vets understand the importance of S/N.

-L.


Hahhahah. They do? The three near me sure do not. They thank nearby Petco
and PetSmart for that revenue loss. From what I've seen at both of these
large pet retailers, taking your pussy to be scrubbed, trimmed, and blow
dried professionally is NOT something cat owners do ... compared to K9
owners. Would you take your pussy to a place that wreaks of wet dogs?


* I could spend 30 minutes doing a lion cut and bath on a cat - cost to
consumer - $90.00. It was a $115.00 minimum if gas sedation was
needed. I made $16.00/hr at the time. I generally groomed 8-10 cats a
day. You do the math. Even with overhead, the profit was huge.


GAS SEDATION!! For a bath? Fer gawdsake! NO. Well, maybe a Persian
because they're usually ****ed off anyway. Gee ... I wonder why. LOL




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Old May 18th 05, 05:09 PM
-L.
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Philip wrote:
Of all the cats I've had during my life, the only one with recurring

urinary
blockages as he got older was the Siamese male. And he was clipped at

11
weeks. All the others were clipped at 6 to 11 months and those never

had
urinary blockage.


One incidence/anecdote does not data make. Data - real data - supports
ESN as safe and effective. I have already posted 10 studies that prove
my argument. besides, Siamese are wrought with genetic problems - 19
genetic defects are known in the breed, IIRC.

So a simple "nope" and "been doin' it for 25 yrs" falls
on deaf ears. What I do detect from you is preaching about the

"greater
good" for the cat population. Where you live ... but not where I

live. Our
problem is with stray K9's and macho Mexicans with their untrained

pit bulls
attacking people.


Gee, generalize much, Phillip? God knows white people, black people,
purple people and everyone in between never buy or own rogue Pit
Bulls...

You live in So. CA, right? I suspect if you go to your local animal
shelter you will see a pile of dead cats - culled for lack of homes.
In fact, I'd bet on it.

-L.

  #29  
Old May 18th 05, 05:48 PM
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They tested negative for the nasties!!! I'm getting them Friday! Yay!!!
It's so exciting being an expectant mother!!! Carol

P.S. I still miss Elvis ALOT.


"ElvisRocks" wrote in message
...
Wow! I just assumed because the other shelter had Randi neutered that
everyone was doing it earlier now.
S-O-R-R-Y! lol
The woman who has the two kits (shelter volunteer) is taking them tonite
for shots, de-worming and tests for the nasties (the testing at my
expense),
so technically I can bring them home as long as they test negative. They
are at her house in foster care now, not at a shelter.
I'll just see what my vet suggests..... Carol


"Phil P." wrote in message
...

"ElvisRocks" wrote in message
...
Hi all - I am getting two more kittens (Cali & Randi are fine now so now

I'm
able to add to my family) from the same shelter I got Cali, but they are

in
foster care - about 3 months old - two boys. They are not neutered yet;
what is the general age they do this now? When I got Randi he was done
at

9
weeks before I got him. I'm getting them the end of the week. One is a
longhair gray and the other is black & white.
They're so cute - both males. Carol


Cats can be neutered safely anytime after 6 weeks but I prefer 8-12
weeks.
If I were you, I'd make an appointment to have them neutered on the same
day
you pick them up and bring them straight to the vet as soon as you get
them.

Congratulations and best of luck!

Phil











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Old May 18th 05, 06:46 PM
Philip
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-L. wrote:
Philip wrote:
Of all the cats I've had during my life, the only one with recurring
urinary blockages as he got older was the Siamese male. And he was
clipped at 11 weeks. All the others were clipped at 6 to 11 months
and those never had urinary blockage.


One incidence/anecdote does not data make. Data - real data -
supports ESN as safe and effective. I have already posted 10 studies
that prove my argument.


Well there are a number of subjects that I could publish about with
supporting evidence that would be 50% great sounding rubbish. Let's move
on.


besides, Siamese are wrought with genetic

problems - 19 genetic defects are known in the breed, IIRC.


The pair that I owned were from about 1973 to 1991. There might have been a
few less imperfections at that time ... :^) Matter of fact, Thailand was
also the one who developed his own bouncing baby hemorrhoid. Sorry, no
macro photos on hand.


So a simple "nope" and "been doin' it for 25 yrs" falls
on deaf ears. What I do detect from you is preaching about the
"greater good" for the cat population. Where you live ... but not
where I live. Our problem is with stray K9's and macho Mexicans
with their untrained pit bulls attacking people.


Gee, generalize much, Phillip? God knows white people, black people,
purple people and everyone in between never buy or own rogue Pit
Bulls...


I was at the OC Pound a couple of weeks back, reviewing available cats,
remember? I got the tour by one of the care takers. I asked ... she was
very frank. I like that in a woman. You don't know what Santa Ana is like
nor the what it is to be living near a "sanctuary city" for illegals. So if
you want me to expand on that subject, lets do it privately.

You live in So. CA, right? I suspect if you go to your local animal
shelter you will see a pile of dead cats - culled for lack of homes.
In fact, I'd bet on it.

-L.


The Dog Pile (not referring to: http://www.dogpile.com/ ) would would be
higher but for the Vietnamese in nearby "Little Saigon" in Fountain Valley.




 




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