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In om,
Liz being of bellicose mind posted: It should give a logically thinking grown-up some pause to wonder why 99.99% of all practicing veterinarians, EVERY board certified diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition, and every Board certified diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine refuses to endorse the BARF philosophy. I would say they are being responsible. Heck, people can´t even take care of themselves when it comes to eating and you expect them to do a good job with their pets? How many people would have the time and money to prepare a balanced raw diet? And how many of these would handle meat safely, both for them and for their pets? How many people are in fact hygienic? How many people wash their hands before they handle meat? How many lawsuits would they be against the veterinary community if they acquired toxo by handling meat for their pets? If I were a vet, I would definitively be hesitant to advocate raw without first giving a lecture about feeding raw. Afterall, a vet simply does not know what kind of a person (or pig) they´re dealing with. The fact that they don´t advocate raw does not necessarily mean raw is not the best for the animal. Hey.... there are two kinds of people: Those who wash there hands before having an elimination and those who wash their hands after. ;-) -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" |
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In om,
Liz being of bellicose mind posted: Excessive levels of nutrients are the biggest cause of disease death in pets today. Reference please. Ummmm... anybody owning an overweight housecat? That would be an case of excessive nutrition, no? ;-) -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" |
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In om,
Liz being of bellicose mind posted: Excessive levels of nutrients are the biggest cause of disease death in pets today. Reference please. Ummmm... anybody owning an overweight housecat? That would be an case of excessive nutrition, no? ;-) -- ~~Philip "Never let school interfere with your education - Mark Twain" |
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Karen M. composed with style: If you are honest with yourself you will agree that under those circumstances none of the anti Science Diet crowd would have disliked the food at all. Wrong. There's no way in hell I would buy a food with so much corn in it (i.e. carbs and plant-based protein). I don't care who made it. You can tell yourself people just want to hate Hill's but some of us don't like it for a *reason*. My reason? It doesn't work with my animals, and that's 5 different animals from completely different walks of life all responding poorly to the same brand of food. I found two different foods that work great with them *all* of them and I'm sticking to it. Period. I'm with you Karen. I'm done dancing with these boneheads because no matter what the situation they will spin it their way. I haven't followed a lot of this thread or any others for that matter lately but I assume they are talking about dry food and as for Wellness, Wellness Lite is much lower in phosphorus and that is what Shadow gets only a little of any way. If Hills can keep the phosphorus down and use say, chicken meal at the top of the ingredient list instead of corn meal, I might try it again. As for the SD canned, none of my cats will touch it. What good is that? |
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Karen M. composed with style: If you are honest with yourself you will agree that under those circumstances none of the anti Science Diet crowd would have disliked the food at all. Wrong. There's no way in hell I would buy a food with so much corn in it (i.e. carbs and plant-based protein). I don't care who made it. You can tell yourself people just want to hate Hill's but some of us don't like it for a *reason*. My reason? It doesn't work with my animals, and that's 5 different animals from completely different walks of life all responding poorly to the same brand of food. I found two different foods that work great with them *all* of them and I'm sticking to it. Period. I'm with you Karen. I'm done dancing with these boneheads because no matter what the situation they will spin it their way. I haven't followed a lot of this thread or any others for that matter lately but I assume they are talking about dry food and as for Wellness, Wellness Lite is much lower in phosphorus and that is what Shadow gets only a little of any way. If Hills can keep the phosphorus down and use say, chicken meal at the top of the ingredient list instead of corn meal, I might try it again. As for the SD canned, none of my cats will touch it. What good is that? |
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Who are the other two, phil?
Phil P. wrote: "Steve Crane" wrote in message om... (PawsForThought) wrote in message ... Lauren, I'm begining to think you are purposefully being deceitful. Do ya think? Took you long enough! LOL! In all your years dealing with hundreds of vets, have you ever heard of any *10* cats *combined* experiencing *half* the adverse reactions to SD or *any* diet as "Me Too" Lauren claims her cats did to SD?? LOL! If 1/10 of her stories were true, her cats would have been dead years ago! If she's not an obsessed pathological liar, then she must be a complete idiot... Most rational people would have changed their cats' diets after their cats experienced one or two adverse reactions to a particular food, instead of after a *dozen* or so adverse reactions! LOL! But then again, she can't be too bright if she thinks people actually believe her built-to-suit "me too" stories! LOL! She'd blame the extinction of the dinosaurs in SD if she though for a second she could get away with it! Here's an idea: Her and the other two au naturel fanatics should start their own newsgroup and call it "Hills' Hags"! LOL! This way they can swap "horror" stories about SD all day so the rest of us don't have to read their nonsense. I'd killfile her, but she's too dangerous to leave unchecked.... |
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Who are the other two, phil?
Phil P. wrote: "Steve Crane" wrote in message om... (PawsForThought) wrote in message ... Lauren, I'm begining to think you are purposefully being deceitful. Do ya think? Took you long enough! LOL! In all your years dealing with hundreds of vets, have you ever heard of any *10* cats *combined* experiencing *half* the adverse reactions to SD or *any* diet as "Me Too" Lauren claims her cats did to SD?? LOL! If 1/10 of her stories were true, her cats would have been dead years ago! If she's not an obsessed pathological liar, then she must be a complete idiot... Most rational people would have changed their cats' diets after their cats experienced one or two adverse reactions to a particular food, instead of after a *dozen* or so adverse reactions! LOL! But then again, she can't be too bright if she thinks people actually believe her built-to-suit "me too" stories! LOL! She'd blame the extinction of the dinosaurs in SD if she though for a second she could get away with it! Here's an idea: Her and the other two au naturel fanatics should start their own newsgroup and call it "Hills' Hags"! LOL! This way they can swap "horror" stories about SD all day so the rest of us don't have to read their nonsense. I'd killfile her, but she's too dangerous to leave unchecked.... |
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Cheryl wrote: In , Karen M. composed with style: If you are honest with yourself you will agree that under those circumstances none of the anti Science Diet crowd would have disliked the food at all. Wrong. There's no way in hell I would buy a food with so much corn in it (i.e. carbs and plant-based protein). I don't care who made it. You can tell yourself people just want to hate Hill's but some of us don't like it for a *reason*. My reason? It doesn't work with my animals, and that's 5 different animals from completely different walks of life all responding poorly to the same brand of food. I found two different foods that work great with them *all* of them and I'm sticking to it. Period. I'm with you Karen. I'm done dancing with these boneheads because no matter what the situation they will spin it their way. Oh, you're so right. I guess I've been in masochist mode. Time to stop bitch-slapping myself. I haven't followed a lot of this thread or any others for that matter lately but I assume they are talking about dry food and as for Wellness, Wellness Lite is much lower in phosphorus and that is what Shadow gets only a little of any way. If Hills can keep the phosphorus down and use say, chicken meal at the top of the ingredient list instead of corn meal, I might try it again. As for the SD canned, none of my cats will touch it. What good is that? Exactly. I think it's good when cats actually eat their food, right? insert sarcasm here P.S. Look for a link to my new foster kittens, coming soon! xo, K |
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Cheryl wrote: In , Karen M. composed with style: If you are honest with yourself you will agree that under those circumstances none of the anti Science Diet crowd would have disliked the food at all. Wrong. There's no way in hell I would buy a food with so much corn in it (i.e. carbs and plant-based protein). I don't care who made it. You can tell yourself people just want to hate Hill's but some of us don't like it for a *reason*. My reason? It doesn't work with my animals, and that's 5 different animals from completely different walks of life all responding poorly to the same brand of food. I found two different foods that work great with them *all* of them and I'm sticking to it. Period. I'm with you Karen. I'm done dancing with these boneheads because no matter what the situation they will spin it their way. Oh, you're so right. I guess I've been in masochist mode. Time to stop bitch-slapping myself. I haven't followed a lot of this thread or any others for that matter lately but I assume they are talking about dry food and as for Wellness, Wellness Lite is much lower in phosphorus and that is what Shadow gets only a little of any way. If Hills can keep the phosphorus down and use say, chicken meal at the top of the ingredient list instead of corn meal, I might try it again. As for the SD canned, none of my cats will touch it. What good is that? Exactly. I think it's good when cats actually eat their food, right? insert sarcasm here P.S. Look for a link to my new foster kittens, coming soon! xo, K |
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