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Old July 3rd 03, 06:10 PM
Amber
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Hi Ya'll,

Not an emergency --

We just found out that one of our cats is diabetic. He was pretty
sick and I took him to the Vet I use to work for, so we have good
medical support. Dr. Whitworth has told me W/D Science diet and
Science Diet canned kitten growth formulae are good enough for us to
try to control Nercamel's diabetes.

What I need to know is are there other foods that are good for
controling cat diabetes as well? This is a 12 year old, castrated
male who is a rather strange eater. He does not especially like the
prescription foods, wants adult sci diet dry or canned tuna and tends
to eat until he throws up.

I am also wondering if there are herbals that might help, but with
those I will need some good references. I use herbals myself but also
know how dangerous it can be not to check out the science first when
using herbals with chronic conditions.

Thanks in advance,

AmberBarbara

Down here in Austin TX
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Old July 5th 03, 03:02 PM
Steve Crane
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(Amber) wrote in message . com...
Hi Ya'll,

Not an emergency --

We just found out that one of our cats is diabetic. He was pretty
sick and I took him to the Vet I use to work for, so we have good
medical support. Dr. Whitworth has told me W/D Science diet and
Science Diet canned kitten growth formulae are good enough for us to
try to control Nercamel's diabetes.

What I need to know is are there other foods that are good for
controling cat diabetes as well? This is a 12 year old, castrated
male who is a rather strange eater. He does not especially like the
prescription foods, wants adult sci diet dry or canned tuna and tends
to eat until he throws up.

I am also wondering if there are herbals that might help, but with
those I will need some good references. I use herbals myself but also
know how dangerous it can be not to check out the science first when
using herbals with chronic conditions.

Thanks in advance,

AmberBarbara

Down here in Austin TX


Amber,
The vast majority of work done in regards to nutrition and diabetes
is in the area of high fiber, low calorie. There are dozens of peer
reviewed studies out there on this process. The objective is to use
the fiber to slow the uptake of the nutrients. Generally most diabetic
cats are overweight. The use of soluble and insoluble fibers in the
right proportion has been shown to reduce insulin dependance.
According to the work Colorado State did it requires a minimum of 10%
fiber to be effective.
An alternative hypothesis is the use of low carbohydrate diets, low
fiber, high protein and high fat, similar to the human Atkins diet.
Purina DM, Prescription Diet */d are examples of that type of diet.
There have only been two studies of this hypothesis, one was badly
flawed the other looks pretty good. There may be a risk with these
diets in cats with undetected renal failure.
You cannot mix these two philosophies. Feeding w/d in the morning
and Growth in the evening isn't going to work. In order for the the
Atkins type diet to work it must move the cat into a ketotic state.
That won't happen if the diet is altered back and forth between two
different methods.
As for herbals - caveat emptor - buyer beware! I've seen a ton of
hype and absoutely no hard data to support the use of any of these.
  #7  
Old July 5th 03, 03:02 PM
Steve Crane
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(Amber) wrote in message . com...
Hi Ya'll,

Not an emergency --

We just found out that one of our cats is diabetic. He was pretty
sick and I took him to the Vet I use to work for, so we have good
medical support. Dr. Whitworth has told me W/D Science diet and
Science Diet canned kitten growth formulae are good enough for us to
try to control Nercamel's diabetes.

What I need to know is are there other foods that are good for
controling cat diabetes as well? This is a 12 year old, castrated
male who is a rather strange eater. He does not especially like the
prescription foods, wants adult sci diet dry or canned tuna and tends
to eat until he throws up.

I am also wondering if there are herbals that might help, but with
those I will need some good references. I use herbals myself but also
know how dangerous it can be not to check out the science first when
using herbals with chronic conditions.

Thanks in advance,

AmberBarbara

Down here in Austin TX


Amber,
The vast majority of work done in regards to nutrition and diabetes
is in the area of high fiber, low calorie. There are dozens of peer
reviewed studies out there on this process. The objective is to use
the fiber to slow the uptake of the nutrients. Generally most diabetic
cats are overweight. The use of soluble and insoluble fibers in the
right proportion has been shown to reduce insulin dependance.
According to the work Colorado State did it requires a minimum of 10%
fiber to be effective.
An alternative hypothesis is the use of low carbohydrate diets, low
fiber, high protein and high fat, similar to the human Atkins diet.
Purina DM, Prescription Diet */d are examples of that type of diet.
There have only been two studies of this hypothesis, one was badly
flawed the other looks pretty good. There may be a risk with these
diets in cats with undetected renal failure.
You cannot mix these two philosophies. Feeding w/d in the morning
and Growth in the evening isn't going to work. In order for the the
Atkins type diet to work it must move the cat into a ketotic state.
That won't happen if the diet is altered back and forth between two
different methods.
As for herbals - caveat emptor - buyer beware! I've seen a ton of
hype and absoutely no hard data to support the use of any of these.
 




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