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"Jo Firey" wrote in message
... "Yowie" wrote in message ... You folks need far better PR (as do decent, peaceloving Muslims) Yowie Makes me wonder. Most every nation is subject to some pretty negative stereotyping. So what did the Aussies and Kiwi's and Canadians do that they get a pass? Well, us Aussies stereotype Kiwis as sheep loving dole bludgers. We know its not true but we love nothing better than teasing our cousins in our 8th and 9th states from across the "creek". As far as I know (not being a Kiwi), they say pretty much the very same thing about "the west island", ie, Australia. Mind you, in the rest of the world, you'll find that Aussies and Kiwis tend to stick together as we've got far more in common than any other country. Beer, cricket and rugby, and hot christmases are important to us, culturally. As to Canadians... dunno. Yowie --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.791 / Virus Database: 535 - Release Date: 8/11/04 |
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Kreisleriana wrote:
On 20 Nov 2004 03:15:06 GMT, itty (Sherry ) yodeled: I don't even know what a Hotel California for bugs is. Excuse a Brit for not knowing what you are talking about. Culture shock again. Tweed Oh, dang, Tweed. I am so sorry. I just don't think sometimes about the international gap. Hotel California is a song from the 70's by the Eagles. didn't the Chipmunks cover it? Aargh! I hope you're not serious! I can hear it now, the treble "Welcome to the Hotel Californiaaaaa..." -- Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki |
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Kreisleriana wrote:
On 20 Nov 2004 03:15:06 GMT, itty (Sherry ) yodeled: I don't even know what a Hotel California for bugs is. Excuse a Brit for not knowing what you are talking about. Culture shock again. Tweed Oh, dang, Tweed. I am so sorry. I just don't think sometimes about the international gap. Hotel California is a song from the 70's by the Eagles. didn't the Chipmunks cover it? Aargh! I hope you're not serious! I can hear it now, the treble "Welcome to the Hotel Californiaaaaa..." -- Marina, Frank and Nikki marina (dot) kurten (at) pp (dot) inet (dot) fi Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/ and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki |
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Well, us Aussies stereotype Kiwis as sheep loving dole bludgers.
LOL! Now it's *my* turn to be confused, Tweed! What in the *world* is a "dole bludger"? I had flashbacks to the 1992 presidential campaign. Sherry |
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Well, us Aussies stereotype Kiwis as sheep loving dole bludgers.
LOL! Now it's *my* turn to be confused, Tweed! What in the *world* is a "dole bludger"? I had flashbacks to the 1992 presidential campaign. Sherry |
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:
I think I just saw a black paw being raised. :-) One belonging to a cat with one eye ;-) Cheers, helen s That's the one ;-) -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. |
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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:
I think I just saw a black paw being raised. :-) One belonging to a cat with one eye ;-) Cheers, helen s That's the one ;-) -- Adrian (Owned by Snoopy & Bagheera) A house is not a home, without a cat. |
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Joyce wrote:
Here's a hilarious letter that someone wrote to Dr. Laura, a talk-show host in the US who routinely uses the Bible to justify all sorts of bigotry and hatred. (Actually, I don't know whether she is still on the air. This letter was written a number of years ago, so maybe she's already old news.) Apologies if you have already seen this, as I said it's old, but I thought it was apropos: ---------------------snip---------------------- I suspect that the 'letter' is a spoof, but Dr. Laura is quite real. She was on radio in the LA market for years -- don't know if she still is. I'd like to contribute to this thread a send-up of a potential marriage amendment to the US constitution. It lists six proposed clauses with the scriptural passages to back them up. -----------pasted material follows------------- Marriage Amendment.txt Fellow Lovers-of-Marriage, President Bush has been working diligently to prevent marriage between people of the same sex, backing a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, arguing the institution cannot be severed from its "cultural, religious and natural" roots. "After more than two centuries of American jurisprudence and millennia of human experience," he said, "a few judges and local authorities are presuming to change the most fundamental institution of civilization." But you and I both know Bush isn't going far enough to return the institution of marriage to its fundamental roots of two centuries ago! So I went ahead and drafted up a Constitutional Amendment codifying all marriages entirely on Biblical principles. After all, God wouldn't want us to "pick and choose" which of the Scriptures we elevate to civil law and which we choose to ignore. I bring you: Draft of a Constitutional Amendment to Defend Biblical Marriage 1. Marriage in the U.S. shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women. (Genesis 29:17-28; II Samuel 3:2-5) Genesis 29:17-28 17 Leah was tender eyed; but Rachel was beautiful and well favoured. 18 And Jacob loved Rachel; and said, I will serve thee seven years for Rachel thy younger daughter. 19 And Laban said, It is better that I give her to thee, than that I should give her to another man: abide with me. 20 And Jacob served seven years for Rachel; and they seemed unto him but a few days, for the love he had to her. 21 And Jacob said unto Laban, Give me my wife, for my days are fulfilled, that I may go in unto her. 22 And Laban gathered together all the men of the place, and made a feast. 23 And it came to pass in the evening, that he took Leah his daughter, and brought her to him; and he went in unto her. 24 And Laban gave unto his daughter Leah Zilpah his maid for an handmaid. 25 And it came to pass, that in the morning, behold, it was Leah: and he said to Laban, What is this thou hast done unto me? did not I serve with thee for Rachel? wherefore then hast thou beguiled me? 26 And Laban said, It must not be so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn. 27 Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years. 28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also. II Samuel 3:2-5 2 And unto David were sons born in Hebron: and his firstborn was Amnon, of Ahinoam the Jezreelitess; 3 And his second, Chileab, of Abigail the wife of Nabal the Carmelite; and the third, Absalom the son of Maacah the daughter of Talmai king of Geshur; 4 And the fourth, Adonijah the son of Haggith; and the fifth, Shephatiah the son of Abital; 5 And the sixth, Ithream, by Eglah David's wife. These were born to David in Hebron. 2. Marriage shall not impede a man's right to take concubines in addition to his wife or wives. (II Samuel 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chronicles 11:21) II Samuel 5:13 13 And David took him more concubines and wives out of Jerusalem, after he was come from Hebron: and there were yet sons and daughters born to David. I Kings 11:3 3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart. II Chronicles 11:21 21 And Rehoboam loved Maachah the daughter of Absalom above all his wives and his concubines: (for he took eighteen wives, and threescore concubines; and begat twenty and eight sons, and threescore daughters.) 3. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deuteronomy 22:13-21) Deuteronomy 22:13-21 13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, 14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: 15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: 16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; 17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. 18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him; 19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. 20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: 21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. 4. Since marriage is for life, neither the US Constitution nor any state law shall permit divorce. (Mark 10:9) Mark 10:9 9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 5. If a married man dies without children, his brother must marry the widow. If the brother refuses to marry the widow, or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law. (Genesis 38:6-10; Deuteronomy 25:5-10) Genesis 38:6-10 6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar. 7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. 8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. 9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also. Deuteronomy 25:5-10 5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her. 6 And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel. 7 And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother. 8 Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her; 9 Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house. 6. In lieu of marriage (if there are no acceptable men to be found), a woman shall get her father drunk and have sex with him. (Genesis 19:31-36) Genesis 19:31-36 31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth: 32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. 33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. 34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. 35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. 36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. Let us all pray this helps clarify the bonds of holy matrimony as God, Himself, intended them. Amen. — Brykman |
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Joyce wrote:
Here's a hilarious letter that someone wrote to Dr. Laura, a talk-show host in the US who routinely uses the Bible to justify all sorts of bigotry and hatred. (Actually, I don't know whether she is still on the air. This letter was written a number of years ago, so maybe she's already old news.) Apologies if you have already seen this, as I said it's old, but I thought it was apropos: ---------------------snip---------------------- I suspect that the 'letter' is a spoof, but Dr. Laura is quite real. She was on radio in the LA market for years -- don't know if she still is. I'd like to contribute to this thread a send-up of a potential marriage amendment to the US constitution. It lists six proposed clauses with the scriptural passages to back them up. -----------pasted material follows------------- Marriage Amendment.txt Fellow Lovers-of-Marriage, President Bush has been working diligently to prevent marriage between people of the same sex, backing a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, arguing the institution cannot be severed from its "cultural, religious and natural" roots. "After more than two centuries of American jurisprudence and millennia of human experience," he said, "a few judges and local authorities are presuming to change the most fundamental institution of civilization." But you and I both know Bush isn't going far enough to return the institution of marriage to its fundamental roots of two centuries ago! So I went ahead and drafted up a Constitutional Amendment codifying all marriages entirely on Biblical principles. After all, God wouldn't want us to "pick and choose" which of the Scriptures we elevate to civil law and which we choose to ignore. I bring you: Draft of a Constitutional Amendment to Defend Biblical Marriage 1. Marriage in the U.S. shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women. (Genesis 29:17-28; II Samuel 3:2-5) Genesis 29:17-28 17 Leah was tender eyed; but Rachel was beautiful and well favoured. 18 And Jacob loved Rachel; and said, I will serve thee seven years for Rachel thy younger daughter. 19 And Laban said, It is better that I give her to thee, than that I should give her to another man: abide with me. 20 And Jacob served seven years for Rachel; and they seemed unto him but a few days, for the love he had to her. 21 And Jacob said unto Laban, Give me my wife, for my days are fulfilled, that I may go in unto her. 22 And Laban gathered together all the men of the place, and made a feast. 23 And it came to pass in the evening, that he took Leah his daughter, and brought her to him; and he went in unto her. 24 And Laban gave unto his daughter Leah Zilpah his maid for an handmaid. 25 And it came to pass, that in the morning, behold, it was Leah: and he said to Laban, What is this thou hast done unto me? did not I serve with thee for Rachel? wherefore then hast thou beguiled me? 26 And Laban said, It must not be so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn. 27 Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years. 28 And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also. II Samuel 3:2-5 2 And unto David were sons born in Hebron: and his firstborn was Amnon, of Ahinoam the Jezreelitess; 3 And his second, Chileab, of Abigail the wife of Nabal the Carmelite; and the third, Absalom the son of Maacah the daughter of Talmai king of Geshur; 4 And the fourth, Adonijah the son of Haggith; and the fifth, Shephatiah the son of Abital; 5 And the sixth, Ithream, by Eglah David's wife. These were born to David in Hebron. 2. Marriage shall not impede a man's right to take concubines in addition to his wife or wives. (II Samuel 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chronicles 11:21) II Samuel 5:13 13 And David took him more concubines and wives out of Jerusalem, after he was come from Hebron: and there were yet sons and daughters born to David. I Kings 11:3 3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart. II Chronicles 11:21 21 And Rehoboam loved Maachah the daughter of Absalom above all his wives and his concubines: (for he took eighteen wives, and threescore concubines; and begat twenty and eight sons, and threescore daughters.) 3. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If the wife is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deuteronomy 22:13-21) Deuteronomy 22:13-21 13 If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, 14 And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: 15 Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: 16 And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her; 17 And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. 18 And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him; 19 And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. 20 But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: 21 Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. 4. Since marriage is for life, neither the US Constitution nor any state law shall permit divorce. (Mark 10:9) Mark 10:9 9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 5. If a married man dies without children, his brother must marry the widow. If the brother refuses to marry the widow, or deliberately does not give her children, he shall pay a fine of one shoe and be otherwise punished in a manner to be determined by law. (Genesis 38:6-10; Deuteronomy 25:5-10) Genesis 38:6-10 6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar. 7 And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. 8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. 9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10 And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also. Deuteronomy 25:5-10 5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her. 6 And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel. 7 And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother. 8 Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her; 9 Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house. 6. In lieu of marriage (if there are no acceptable men to be found), a woman shall get her father drunk and have sex with him. (Genesis 19:31-36) Genesis 19:31-36 31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth: 32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. 33 And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. 34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. 35 And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. 36 Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. Let us all pray this helps clarify the bonds of holy matrimony as God, Himself, intended them. Amen. — Brykman |
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"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
... Racism and bigotry are never right. Never. They have always been used as an excuse to opress the minority (and sometimes even a weak majority) by those in power. I just told Tom that if his sister and her husband voted for the anti-gay ammendment in their state's election, then they are not welcome in our house. I'm sorry, but if you find my relationship so repugnant, that you would vote to inscribe discrimination in your state's constitution, then I do not want to welcome you into my house. As an aside, the bible has been used throughout history to justify and defend many horrible things, from the crusades to slavery in the US and the oppresion of women. How sad that someone your love loves should be that ignorant and intolerant! {{{{{{{{{{Victor and Tom}}}}}}}}}} There is far too little love in this cold, cruel world - it should be celebrated in *whatever* form it comes to us. How can how someone loves someone else *possibly* take away anything from us???!! Everyone should have the right to love whomever they want and also the LEGAL right to healthcare, tax breaks, critical-care visitation, inheritance, etc., etc., etc. Again, how does this harm anyone else - how is it anyone's business what consenting adults choose to do behind closed door!!!????? I thought for a while that my son was gay - most of his friends are and, until he started dating his finance, he never went out with women (I guess he was just being picky LOL). If he were gay, I could not imagine loving him any less or wanting anything else for him except to be happy and healthy and to share his life with whomever brought him joy. I don't understand how anyone who truly loves someone, friend or relative, could feel any different. Hugs, CatNipped -- Victor Martinez Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM) Send your spam he Email me he |
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