Candidate Friedman vows declawing ban

"Slimpickins" wrote in message
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**JMHO, But what is reeeally dangerous is when the balance in ones own
personal beliefs becomes too far left, or too far right. Unfortunately,
this
skewed thinking is becoming more common, especially with those individuals
who are mentally unbalanced to begin with.

I am a Christian and try to not to judge others and It's not easy. But if
a
mother/father want to enroll their child in a private or public school,
then
that is their business and their right. I wouldn't protest their decision
and I wouldn't hurled abusive language at them because they don't dance
my*
dance. Demanding for them to do so because *I* believe it is the right
thing to do, is wrong. What the world need now is.. more living life by
quiet example.

ML

I am not understanding how this follows, the thread. I haven't noticed
anyone saying that a person doesn't have the right to choose between public
or private education. The disagreement is over group prayer being conducted
in public schools.

Cathy


"gaubster2" wrote in message
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Cathy Friedmann wrote:

"gaubster2" wrote in message
ps.com...
WHY does there "need" to be a separation of church and state,
again?
That is found nowhere in the Constitution and in fact, the 1st
Amendment to that document guarantees all of us the Freedom OF
Religion, not the freedom FROM religion. There is nothing wrong
with
prayer in schools, it doesn't cause anybody bodily harm.

What? You have to physically harm a person in order for any harm to
be
done??

What kind of harm are you referencing? Property rights?



I have no
problem with a moment of silence in public school so the kids can
silently
pray, meditate, collect their thoughts, or do nothing. I have a
BIG
problem
with an out-loud prayer or the teacher saying "let's pray".

Yep & yep.

Cathy

Yeah, because that is SOOOOOOOO dangerous! Not.

-L. wrote:
gaubster2 wrote:


For example, gay marriage is something that is being foisted on the
general public at large in many states (and especially here in the
Portland area).

Oh Good God - he lives by me! Yikes!!! It must suck to be you in
Portland, Gauby. Land of the Liberal Activist.

Yeah, I've got you confused w/ somebody who lives in Brazil!


Interestingly enough, it's okay for the socialists and
the left-wing to push their agenda

Nobody is pushing any agenda. I don't care who sleeps with whom. I
don't care who gets married to whom. I just feel that any two
consenting adults should be allowed to do both, and have the same
rights as I do.

Oh really? Then why did the "sisters of multnomah" go against state
law and not consult with the other member of the board and decide to
"legalize" gay marriage? That is an agenda that is PUSHED onto the
ciitizens at large. It was never put to a public vote and why was
that? Because it would've gone down in flames!

The concept that marriage can be 2 people of the same-sex was voted
down in 12 states out of 12 states. Does that offend you?

What exactly is a "homosexual agend" anyway? Are you afraid someone
might try to "make" you gay or something?

See above! You don't like prayer being "pushed" on kids, I don't like
perversion being displayed for my child to see. I also don't like
seeing a man and a woman "sucking face" or pawing at each other in
public. Get a room, you know. There's a time and place and this isn't
it, right now.

on the public at large, but as soon
as their is push-back from the public....well, then it becomes a
matter
of "unconstitutionality". It's a double-standard from the left and
hyprocrisy at large. For whatever reason, the left likes to
discriminate against Christianity, but not any other religion.

Nope. Christianity is the only religion that steadfastly tries to
change federal law into religious (biblical) law. the Jews don't dso
it, the Muslims don't do it, the Buddhists don't do it, the Hindus
don't do it, etc. etc...If any one of the other religions tried to do
the same, I would be against them doing so, as well.

Not true. How about in middle east where you HAVE to practice Islam?
The majority of this country is Christian, yet we don't have a
state-mandated religion (the 1st Amendment in action!). Federal law is
based on biblical law. Murder is not allowed in this country. Ever
heard of, "Thou shalt not murder"? Lieing is prosecuted in certain
circumstances...."Thou shalt not lie". See what I mean?

Orchid wrote:
On 18 Feb 2005 19:55:44 -0800, "gaubster2" wrote:


Orchid wrote:
So, you're all good with the local Wiccan Coven holding a
public Circle? How about a Pentacle hanging next to that Nativity
scene and Menorah?

If that's what the members of that particular (hypothetical)
community
want, then fine by me. We have religious freedom in this
country....what a BEAUTIFUL thing! If you don't like it, then you
don't have to look at it.

Ahhh, so the religious decoration is based off a majority vote
of the community as a whole? Have you ever heard of the idea of
protecting the minority from the tyranny of the majority?
If a community puts up decorations/monuments regarding one
religion, they must allow monuments/decorations for *all* other
religions that wish to erect one.



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gaubster2 wrote:

So, do you think sex education belongs in school? I don't. That
falls under the parameters of the home environment. And don't give me
this nonsense about some parents won't talk about this w/ their kids.
I can make the same argument about religion in school. Condoms on
cucumbers and bananas DO NOT belong in school.

Well, first of all, when the students are of the age where they may be
having sex (middle school on up) I *do* believe that sex education has
its place and it falls nicely under the category of HEALTH. And since
there is a special place called RELIGIOUS SCHOOL for those who want to
learn all about religion...that is nicely covered THERE. Plus, Gaubster,
if you are simply talking about learning ABOUT religion...well then I
agree that it should be taught in schools. However, being told what
religion to PRACTICE does not.

You can't just "make up" your own religion. And you can't break
existing laws (animal torture, murder, etc.) to justify your bad
behavior. Next?

There are a lot more Christians than there are people who worship
Satan, and THANK GOD for that...wouldn't you agree?! (a little mention
to the Almighty, there....just to tick you off and demonstrate the
freedoms that I have in this country) And no, that didn't harm
anybody!

Well at SOME point...all religions were "made up"...weren't they? And
if you cant break existing laws in the name of your religion...what do
the crazy killers of abortion doctors use as their excuse?! Just *one*
example...in a sea of examples...


Again, you are pointing to extreme religious zealots. I don't believe
in killing abortion doctors. There are extremeists on each side. I
don't condone either one.

I was merely pointing out where people break laws to justify their bad
behavior...who just so happen to be...GASP...CHRISTIAN!!!!


Nobody is saying FORCE religion on kids in school.

If you stop your day to have some sort of organized prayer..it IS forced.

I agree that you
should send your children to a religious school if that is what is
important. However, what is happening is that the government school
system is bending over backwards to take ALL mention of GOD of religion
(except Islam) OUT of school. There is a healthy balance that can be
struck, but that is NOT what is currently happening. How about the
Cupertino school district that doesn't want the Declaration of
Independence taught because it mentions a Creator??

Well fortunately that is not happening anywhere that I know of around
where I teach. And I teach in the suburbs of...LIBERAL
CHICAGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And frankly, what you are discussing really has
nothing to do with the notion of prayer in school. You keep asking what
harm it would do...as if you need some kid to come in with a broken arm
and say "THIS IS BECAUSE WE PRAYED IN SCHOOL TODAY". The harm that
organized prayer would cause does not have to be clear cut. As a matter
of fact, you have a POINT in that it is not necessarily
harmful...however it is NOT NECESSARY. I still maintain that if a kid
wants to pray in school...there isn't anything to stop him or
her...unless he or she requests that everyone stop and acknowledge what
he or she is doing.

Finally, in an IDEAL world...parents would teach their kids both about
religion and sex/reproduction/etc...in the HOME. But that is not what is
happening. However, society stands to lose a lot more (IMO) if our kids
are uneducated about sex than if they are uneducated about Jesus and his
disciples.

again, just my opinion. You can call me a wackjob or a liberal nutcase.
(I'm not...but whatev) But I do think that *organized* prayer should
stay out of school and sex ed with teenagers should be addressed.

Pam

Diane L. Schirf wrote:
In article .com,
"-L." wrote:

Why impose prayer on everyone?

Prayer should come from the heart, not be imposed.

Again, who is imposing prayer again?


And it's constitutionally forbidden, so there's really no debate.

Where in the Constitution does it say that? I can't find it anywhere.

Orchid wrote:
On 18 Feb 2005 19:55:44 -0800, "gaubster2" wrote:
We have religious freedom in this
country....what a BEAUTIFUL thing! If you don't like it, then you
don't have to look at it.

Ahhh, so the religious decoration is based off a majority vote
of the community as a whole? Have you ever heard of the idea of
protecting the minority from the tyranny of the majority?

Yep. But your theory above is asinine. Should we allow child porn to
be displayed because the child molestor desires it to be so? We
wouldn't want to trample his precious little quarks just because he's
in the minority. Who are you trying to kid?

If a community puts up decorations/monuments regarding one
religion, they must allow monuments/decorations for *all* other
religions that wish to erect one.

Sure, why not?

gaubster2 wrote:
Diane L. Schirf wrote:

In article .com,
"-L." wrote:


Why impose prayer on everyone?

Prayer should come from the heart, not be imposed.


Again, who is imposing prayer again?

Again, if we stop our kids in the middle of their geometry lesson for
prayers, it is being imposed upon them. Again.

Diane L. Schirf wrote:
In article ,
kitkat wrote:


And I teach in the suburbs of...LIBERAL
CHICAGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Chicago is generally pretty moderate/liberal, but Chicago's 'burbs are
to various degrees moderate/conservative.

IMO, the stuff gaubster is talking about (i.e. taking the constitution
out of education) is not really happening in too many places. Plus, I've
been living in the North Shore of chicago for most of my life and it is
pretty liberal here, compared to say, Central Illinois (where I went to
school for 6 years).

You have inferred that anyone who doesn't share your opinion is stupid as
well as other choice putdowns. You are the one who is judging others so stop
trying to play the victim. You seem to do nothing but talk down to others. I
guess you are doing your best to get the group's Assclown Award.

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"gaubster2" wrote in message
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CP, this is the sentiment that has been expressed in several posts and
this is where you and others are making an erroneous ASSumption:
Please show me where I have said that everybody should think and
believe like me. You won't be able to, because I've never said that
and I don't believe that. You shouldn't be so quick to judge others
whom you nothing about. You seem to think that everybody who doesn't
agree with you is a fundamentalist Christian that is just waiting to
convert you. I am a Christian (Catholic) and I don't spend my time
trying to convery anybody. I also do not agree with the sentiment that
if you don't believe that Jesus Christ is your Savior that you will go
to hell. I don't profess to know what God thinks about each
individual. That up to Him and the individual. I wish you and others
would open your minds about some people and quit ASSuming that they are
all alike.

Orchid I suggest we don't even try with Gaubster. It is obvious he/she
doesn't want to listen to what anyone else has to say.

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"Orchid" wrote in message
...
Ahhh, so the religious decoration is based off a majority vote
of the community as a whole? Have you ever heard of the idea of
protecting the minority from the tyranny of the majority?
If a community puts up decorations/monuments regarding one
religion, they must allow monuments/decorations for *all* other
religions that wish to erect one.



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