Liz's Food recommendations

From: (Liz)

It should give a logically thinking grown-up some pause to wonder
why 99.99% of all practicing veterinarians, EVERY board certified
diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition, and every
Board certified diplomate of the American College of Veterinary
Internal Medicine refuses to endorse the BARF philosophy.

I would say they are being responsible. Heck, people can´t even take
care of themselves when it comes to eating and you expect them to do a
good job with their pets? How many people would have the time and
money to prepare a balanced raw diet? And how many of these would
handle meat safely, both for them and for their pets? How many people
are in fact hygienic? How many people wash their hands before they
handle meat? How many lawsuits would they be against the veterinary
community if they acquired toxo by handling meat for their pets? If I
were a vet, I would definitively be hesitant to advocate raw without
first giving a lecture about feeding raw. Afterall, a vet simply does
not know what kind of a person (or pig) they´re dealing with. The fact
that they don´t advocate raw does not necessarily mean raw is not the
best for the animal.

Exactly. My vet believes in a raw diet but he will be the first to say it's
not for everyone, and I totally agree.
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From: (Steve Crane)

There isn't a diet out there with more N3,6's than
products made by Hill's. The only "hype" around fatty acids is that
some manufacturers decided it would work to fool consumers. They
realized consumers wouldn't know if the food had N3,6's before or not.
So let's launch a great madison avenue marketing plan and tell
everybody we've added N3,6's to the diet.

Ah so that's why Hill's just launched that new food, huh? Trying to fool
consumers again? LOL
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Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

From: (Steve Crane)

There isn't a diet out there with more N3,6's than
products made by Hill's. The only "hype" around fatty acids is that
some manufacturers decided it would work to fool consumers. They
realized consumers wouldn't know if the food had N3,6's before or not.
So let's launch a great madison avenue marketing plan and tell
everybody we've added N3,6's to the diet.

Ah so that's why Hill's just launched that new food, huh? Trying to fool
consumers again? LOL
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Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

Then I guess I was a weird kid... because I used to eat everything...
steak, ice cream, cookies and anything else that got in the way.

;-)

I was a weird kid myself probably because of my low blood pressure. I
was never fond of sweets. Nothing would beat a steak. But what I
observe in children today is that they eat too much crap and prefer
crap to real food. Obesity has become a very serious problem among
children too.

Then I guess I was a weird kid... because I used to eat everything...
steak, ice cream, cookies and anything else that got in the way.

;-)

I was a weird kid myself probably because of my low blood pressure. I
was never fond of sweets. Nothing would beat a steak. But what I
observe in children today is that they eat too much crap and prefer
crap to real food. Obesity has become a very serious problem among
children too.

"Karen M." wrote in message
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Who are the other two, phil?

Haven't figure it out, yet? I gave you more credit than that.

Don't worry, you don't qualify as an au naturel cult fanatic because you
feed your cats a commercial food.



Phil P. wrote:

"Steve Crane" wrote in message
om...

(PawsForThought) wrote in message

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Lauren,
I'm begining to think you are purposefully being deceitful.


Do ya think? Took you long enough! LOL!

In all your years dealing with hundreds of vets, have you ever heard of
any
*10* cats *combined* experiencing *half* the adverse reactions to SD or
*any* diet as "Me Too" Lauren claims her cats did to SD?? LOL! If
1/10 of
her stories were true, her cats would have been dead years ago!

If she's not an obsessed pathological liar, then she must be a complete
idiot... Most rational people would have changed their cats' diets after
their cats experienced one or two adverse reactions to a particular
food,
instead of after a *dozen* or so adverse reactions! LOL! But then
again,
she can't be too bright if she thinks people actually believe her
built-to-suit "me too" stories! LOL! She'd blame the extinction of the
dinosaurs in SD if she though for a second she could get away with it!

Here's an idea: Her and the other two au naturel fanatics should start
their own newsgroup and call it "Hills' Hags"! LOL! This way they can
swap
"horror" stories about SD all day so the rest of us don't have to read
their
nonsense. I'd killfile her, but she's too dangerous to leave
unchecked....

"Karen M." wrote in message
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Who are the other two, phil?

Haven't figure it out, yet? I gave you more credit than that.

Don't worry, you don't qualify as an au naturel cult fanatic because you
feed your cats a commercial food.



Phil P. wrote:

"Steve Crane" wrote in message
om...

(PawsForThought) wrote in message

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Lauren,
I'm begining to think you are purposefully being deceitful.


Do ya think? Took you long enough! LOL!

In all your years dealing with hundreds of vets, have you ever heard of
any
*10* cats *combined* experiencing *half* the adverse reactions to SD or
*any* diet as "Me Too" Lauren claims her cats did to SD?? LOL! If
1/10 of
her stories were true, her cats would have been dead years ago!

If she's not an obsessed pathological liar, then she must be a complete
idiot... Most rational people would have changed their cats' diets after
their cats experienced one or two adverse reactions to a particular
food,
instead of after a *dozen* or so adverse reactions! LOL! But then
again,
she can't be too bright if she thinks people actually believe her
built-to-suit "me too" stories! LOL! She'd blame the extinction of the
dinosaurs in SD if she though for a second she could get away with it!

Here's an idea: Her and the other two au naturel fanatics should start
their own newsgroup and call it "Hills' Hags"! LOL! This way they can
swap
"horror" stories about SD all day so the rest of us don't have to read
their
nonsense. I'd killfile her, but she's too dangerous to leave
unchecked....

From: (Liz)

LOL! That´s all it takes? I bet bread and butter would be approved
since the deficiency would have to be *significant*.


You've responded to Alison, how about responding to Steve's post refuting just
about everything you previously said? Or are you just going to ignore that
too, since it proves you wrong AGAIN?

From: (Liz)

LOL! That´s all it takes? I bet bread and butter would be approved
since the deficiency would have to be *significant*.


You've responded to Alison, how about responding to Steve's post refuting just
about everything you previously said? Or are you just going to ignore that
too, since it proves you wrong AGAIN?

I ask Steve what an example of disease caused by nutritional excess is,
because "dietary development is always looking at the disease we see and
trying to avoid them [sic]".

I'll take a stab at it...how about excess sodium causing hypertension and heart
disease (among other things)?

I am not expecting an answer that "obesity is a problem caused by
nutritional excess" because then Hill's would be developing and
marketing an educational campaign to get people to feed their cats less
food--including Hill's food, of course.


Actually there was some sort of campaign to educate consumers about the dangers
of obesity sponsored by Hill's and the University of Chicago earlier this
year??