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Old July 12th 03, 09:30 AM
The Puppy Wizard
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HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman,

wrote in message
...
On 11 Jul 2003 19:39:19 -0700 Hal whittled these

words:
I have recently been reading about training methods, coercive,
non...etc.

:
I think you are seeing black and white when really there is a rainbow.

:
You mean, animal abuse is not blackman and white, there's shades
of grey? You mean, you sometimes GOT TO HURT a dog to train IT.

You are fooling yourself


NO, Master Of Deception blankman. YOU are the only WON
foolin anybody and everybody you can to DEFEND your alleged
right to HURT and KILL dogs as you see fit.

if you think you can get "loyalty" without giving
a concrete expression of appreciation of a performance.


YOU MEAN YOU GOT TO HURT AND INTIMIDATE THE
DOG TO MAKE IT DO AS YOU INISIST.

A desire that a dog perform purely for "loyalty" is just ego speaking -


That so? What you're sayin is you cannot train a dog withHOWET
HURTIN IT.

heaven forbid that the dog should actually want to do it MORE
FASTER if you make it fun for the dog.


You mean, when you're not punishing ITS beahaviors,
Master Of Deception blankman. You're a degenerate.
You intentionally pervert every thing decent to defend
your alleged right to hurt intimidate punish and kill.

That's basically what you are suggesting "do it because
you love me, not because you WANT to".


You mean, kinda like HOWE Mrs. Puppy Wizzzard does
EVERY THING for The Puppy Wizard, and vice versa?
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYIN???

Well how much work are YOU willing to do if it isn't fun


There's a mutual desire to make the other HAPPY, and THAT'S
the ONLY REWARD WE RELY ON to achieve 100% TOTAL
NON FORCE NON PHYSICAL CONTROL.

You'll NEVER learn HOWE to MOTIVATE a dog casue YOU
ONLY think of YOUR NEEDS TO FORCE CONTROL.

and you get nothing out of it?


You're a very greedy, needy, sick, Soul, Master Of Deception blankman.

Personally I'm much more interested in making motivating the dog,


Through your pronged spiked pinch choke collar with custom
knitted cover ups and aversive sprays and shock devices and
crates, Master Of Deception blankman?

and let our relationship be apart from "performance."


Sorry, there's NO THERE, there. You're PERVERTING the
concept only to defend your alleged RIGHT to HURT.

If you don't like food, fine, don't use it.


Food appeals to the lowest, least meaninful, motivator,
UNLESS you CONTROL and WITHHOLD ALL THE
FOOD IN CREATION.

But you can't establish a *human* relationship much less
a doggy one in the absence of rewards.


That so? Physical "rewards" only confHOWEND the thinking
process so the dog will NOT put the lesson into CONTEXT.

THAT'S HOWE COME YOU GOT TO HURT INTIMIDATE CRATE AND KILL.

I doubt you would be satisfied with a one way relationship -


You have no basis of information or experience to discuss
these matters. You're a proven liar and dog abuser and
you're HOWETA your league talking abHOWET EMOTIONS
FEELINGS MOTIVATION SHARING and LEARNING.

always doing something for the other and getting nothing in return.


YOU MEAN, NOTHIN PHYSICAL? NO PAY OFF?

So why should your dog want that kind of relationship?


BECAUSE IT'S A DUMB FREAKIN ANIMAL AND YOU CAN
FOOL IT INTO FOLLOWIN HIS INSTINCTS TO WORK AS
A PACK FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PACK AND SURVIVAL
OF HIS SPECIES, WHICH IT CONSIDERS US, IN THE
VERY UNNATURAL WORLD OF DOMESTICATION, you
miscreante.

Good training technique is not performance = reward,


RIGHT! WE CANNOT USE REWARDS UNLESS WE
CONTROL EVERY REWARD IN CREATION.

That's been PROVEN by HOWER military marine mammals
trainers LOSIN 10% of their MILITARY TRAINED ANIMALS
soon as they hit open water and FREE FOOD, just like
HOWE your dog will go HOWET of CONTROL soon as
ANY behavior is MOORE REWARDING than your measly
weenie or squeeky toy.

In good training the concrete - eat 'em, touch 'em, play
with 'em rewards are intermitent and occasional ONCE
the behavior is learned.


YOU MEAN, DIMINISHING REWARS, Master Of Deception
blankman? You're a very disturbed person. That's HOWE
COME your dog scares the sheep you allow him to MOLEST.
That's HOWE COME you can't mix your kats and dogs when
YOU are not there to INTIMIDATE THEM!!!

But neither a human or a dog can do what you want until you teach it.


AND THAT REQUIRES RESPECT THROUGH PAIN FEAR FORCE
INTIMIDATION BRIBES AND AVOIDANCE.

To teach a behavior you must be able to give a clear and
unambigous signal that the attempt was correct.


You're a very clever LIAR, Master Of Deception blankman,
but you're up agains the wall. The Puppy Wizard has identified
exposed and discredited you as a liar and dog abuser in every
thing you've said and done.

So if you decline to reward your dog


YOU MEAN, PAY HIM OFF?

what will your signal be?


Good boy works FINE for The Puppy Wizard and all HIS
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students. You know, the WONS YOU tell new readers
are FORGERIES LIARS PAID SHILLS and SOCK PUPPETS.

I guess the bottom line is


YOU'RE HOWETA BUSINESS.

I have a hard time understanding why you would
decline to make learning and performing rewarding
for your dog.


You mean, you can't understand HOWE to train a
dog withHOWET HURTIN HIM... or YOU WOULD,
wouldn't you?

NO. You won't. You won't GIVE UP INTIMIDATION
BRIBES and FORCED CONTROL, cause YOU FEAR
dogs and their behaviors, that's HOWE COME you
tell folks to HURT and KILL the dogs they can't train,
and WARN THEM not to believe The Puppy Wizard
and all HIS NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Students whom YOU CALL LIARS.

Diane Blackman


NHOWE GET THE HEEL HOWETA The Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Forum.

Repression of free speech is not your intent.

Repression of INFORMATION, IS. That's HOWE COME
the massive organized complain to The Puppy Wizard's
ISP campains. It's a FREE cHOWEntry, complain all you
goddamned LIKE. But no matter HOWE you cut it, The
Puppy Wizard sez you can't post here noMOORE.

No one is forcing anyone to kf anyone or to put any tag anywhere.


Right. This is a pubic forum and you can say anthing you
want to be proof you haven't got the intellect to HOWEtwit
the cunnin of the domestic puppy dog. Or you wouldn't
NEED to jerk and choke dogs on pronged spiked pinch
choke and shock and chin chuck and scruff shake and
punish and lock them in a box to control behaviors you
can't train.

I agree.


INDEEDY. You got NO CHOICE.

Dog training AIN'T LUCK.

Whether or not Jerry is mentally ill or just a giant
asshat, it's mighty annoying, to say the least,


Yeah... just like HOWE your dogs feel when you
scold punish or withhold treat and shock and choke
and lock them in boxes.

when he pulls up posts from 3 years ago and replies to them.


Yeah. That's the beauty of the WWW, ain't it. Everything is
archived forever.

It's way beyond annoying (to me)


EMBARRASSING, is what you really mean. Like
yesterday, when The Puppy Wizard pulled up a
post from lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn sayin
she has NO EXPERIENCE training K-9's to her
mentoin yesterday that she EVALUATED Hera
for signs of PRYORE attack trainin...

BWWAHAHAHA!!!

when he makes inane statements about all dogs being alike,


ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
Handle the dog pupperly and there ain't no moore behavior problems.
All dogs are alike in that manner. You gonna call The Puppy Wizard
a liar by sayin SOME dogs have long hair and some have NONE?
SHOWENDS like lying frosty dahl callin The Puppy Wizard A LIAR
over MISQUOTING "did IN" or "did HOWET."

Tell The Puppy Wizard what's the difference if we beat the
dog till IT digs IN or HOWET to avoid another BEATIN?

all behavior problems being caused by mishandling,


RIGHT. That means we can REVERSE THEM nearly instantly.

health problems and illnesses being caused by stress


INDEED. PROVEN FACT. The latest research at UofOH sez
the stress causes Interluken6 to throw the whole goddamned
body HOWETA WHACKO!!!

which is caused by choke collars,


INDEED. And they destroy trust, besides trigger positive
THUGmotaxis, the opposition reflex.

etc.


Etc. That's HOWE COME dogs TURN on their people
run HOWET on them and fight with each other.

I don't want to see that stuff,


Of curse not! You WANT TO HURT DOGS cause THAT
is YOUR HUMAN NATURE. You feel EMBARASSED that
the dog is HOWEtwittin you.

or even have to wade through it,


You're sittin in it, racetrack silly, just like HOWE you
sit in your grandstand at the racetrack.

and I don't want to see responses to it.


Right. That's a other real good reason HOWE
COME you can't post here noMOORE. Got
any names for the new private list?

People who want to read it are welcome to it.


Yeah. Thank you.

I choose to killfile it,


Right... like you did in this thread, thanks to the
[Jerry] warning. To tell the truth, you should go
back to ed w of PET LOSS dot CON's NINNYBOY
in the header, to avoid EMBARRASSMENT.

along with anyone who doesn't want to use the tag.


Yeah. We should think up a better tag for all The
Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forum posters who write in with their
NEAR INSTANT 100% TOTAL SUCCESS stories, like
the OP in this thread. Pretty SICK INDIVIDUALS, wouldn't
you agree, racetrack silly?

Oh, speakin of which, HOWE much do you charge
for sellin a retired Grey HOWEnd?

I don't see it as a dictatorship,


Right. You're free to post here so long as you can
stand the EMBARRASSMENT... but there's a slight
problem you overlooked. There's repercussions from
extensive STRESS, like professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S
little dog Maxie The Magnificent Obsessively Compulsive
Masturbator's intestinal/digestive disorder he's goin thru,
and matty's dog Rocky's SEIZRURES and disciple
cad's Frankie's ruptured dics and dippy debbies ruptured
disc and janet boss's Franklin's compulsive swallowing
anything he can find and diddler's Danny and it's the same
same same same that killed peejoe's and gwen honey's
and perry's DEAD DOGS, amongst all the others.

Ask ed w of PET LOSS dot CON. He's been keepin track
despite that he never offers condolences here, perhaps
that's on accHOWET of he's a PROFESSIONAL GRIEF
CON SELLER.

and I certainly don't belong to any clique or club.


Well, unless you wanted to consider your Grey HOWEND
club to not really be a club. It's MOORE of a organization
dedicated to heepling HOWET the racin dogs they KILL
when YOU are done BETTIN ON THEM.

It just makes life here a little easier.


INDEEDY. That's the reason for "you can't post her noMOORE."

Mustang Sally


"Linda" wrote in message
om...
I have read many posts by members of this group and most are rather
simple and can be found from many sources such as books and training
brochures. Some of these many work for some dogs but Jerry's approach
and Wits End training may seem like a radical approach but it works.
Refusing to listen to JERRY and downloading the Wits End free manual
is stupid and must mean that you are really not serious about helping
your dog!



  #2  
Old July 12th 03, 09:30 AM
The Puppy Wizard
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HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman,

wrote in message
...
On 11 Jul 2003 19:39:19 -0700 Hal whittled these

words:
I have recently been reading about training methods, coercive,
non...etc.

:
I think you are seeing black and white when really there is a rainbow.

:
You mean, animal abuse is not blackman and white, there's shades
of grey? You mean, you sometimes GOT TO HURT a dog to train IT.

You are fooling yourself


NO, Master Of Deception blankman. YOU are the only WON
foolin anybody and everybody you can to DEFEND your alleged
right to HURT and KILL dogs as you see fit.

if you think you can get "loyalty" without giving
a concrete expression of appreciation of a performance.


YOU MEAN YOU GOT TO HURT AND INTIMIDATE THE
DOG TO MAKE IT DO AS YOU INISIST.

A desire that a dog perform purely for "loyalty" is just ego speaking -


That so? What you're sayin is you cannot train a dog withHOWET
HURTIN IT.

heaven forbid that the dog should actually want to do it MORE
FASTER if you make it fun for the dog.


You mean, when you're not punishing ITS beahaviors,
Master Of Deception blankman. You're a degenerate.
You intentionally pervert every thing decent to defend
your alleged right to hurt intimidate punish and kill.

That's basically what you are suggesting "do it because
you love me, not because you WANT to".


You mean, kinda like HOWE Mrs. Puppy Wizzzard does
EVERY THING for The Puppy Wizard, and vice versa?
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYIN???

Well how much work are YOU willing to do if it isn't fun


There's a mutual desire to make the other HAPPY, and THAT'S
the ONLY REWARD WE RELY ON to achieve 100% TOTAL
NON FORCE NON PHYSICAL CONTROL.

You'll NEVER learn HOWE to MOTIVATE a dog casue YOU
ONLY think of YOUR NEEDS TO FORCE CONTROL.

and you get nothing out of it?


You're a very greedy, needy, sick, Soul, Master Of Deception blankman.

Personally I'm much more interested in making motivating the dog,


Through your pronged spiked pinch choke collar with custom
knitted cover ups and aversive sprays and shock devices and
crates, Master Of Deception blankman?

and let our relationship be apart from "performance."


Sorry, there's NO THERE, there. You're PERVERTING the
concept only to defend your alleged RIGHT to HURT.

If you don't like food, fine, don't use it.


Food appeals to the lowest, least meaninful, motivator,
UNLESS you CONTROL and WITHHOLD ALL THE
FOOD IN CREATION.

But you can't establish a *human* relationship much less
a doggy one in the absence of rewards.


That so? Physical "rewards" only confHOWEND the thinking
process so the dog will NOT put the lesson into CONTEXT.

THAT'S HOWE COME YOU GOT TO HURT INTIMIDATE CRATE AND KILL.

I doubt you would be satisfied with a one way relationship -


You have no basis of information or experience to discuss
these matters. You're a proven liar and dog abuser and
you're HOWETA your league talking abHOWET EMOTIONS
FEELINGS MOTIVATION SHARING and LEARNING.

always doing something for the other and getting nothing in return.


YOU MEAN, NOTHIN PHYSICAL? NO PAY OFF?

So why should your dog want that kind of relationship?


BECAUSE IT'S A DUMB FREAKIN ANIMAL AND YOU CAN
FOOL IT INTO FOLLOWIN HIS INSTINCTS TO WORK AS
A PACK FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PACK AND SURVIVAL
OF HIS SPECIES, WHICH IT CONSIDERS US, IN THE
VERY UNNATURAL WORLD OF DOMESTICATION, you
miscreante.

Good training technique is not performance = reward,


RIGHT! WE CANNOT USE REWARDS UNLESS WE
CONTROL EVERY REWARD IN CREATION.

That's been PROVEN by HOWER military marine mammals
trainers LOSIN 10% of their MILITARY TRAINED ANIMALS
soon as they hit open water and FREE FOOD, just like
HOWE your dog will go HOWET of CONTROL soon as
ANY behavior is MOORE REWARDING than your measly
weenie or squeeky toy.

In good training the concrete - eat 'em, touch 'em, play
with 'em rewards are intermitent and occasional ONCE
the behavior is learned.


YOU MEAN, DIMINISHING REWARS, Master Of Deception
blankman? You're a very disturbed person. That's HOWE
COME your dog scares the sheep you allow him to MOLEST.
That's HOWE COME you can't mix your kats and dogs when
YOU are not there to INTIMIDATE THEM!!!

But neither a human or a dog can do what you want until you teach it.


AND THAT REQUIRES RESPECT THROUGH PAIN FEAR FORCE
INTIMIDATION BRIBES AND AVOIDANCE.

To teach a behavior you must be able to give a clear and
unambigous signal that the attempt was correct.


You're a very clever LIAR, Master Of Deception blankman,
but you're up agains the wall. The Puppy Wizard has identified
exposed and discredited you as a liar and dog abuser in every
thing you've said and done.

So if you decline to reward your dog


YOU MEAN, PAY HIM OFF?

what will your signal be?


Good boy works FINE for The Puppy Wizard and all HIS
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students. You know, the WONS YOU tell new readers
are FORGERIES LIARS PAID SHILLS and SOCK PUPPETS.

I guess the bottom line is


YOU'RE HOWETA BUSINESS.

I have a hard time understanding why you would
decline to make learning and performing rewarding
for your dog.


You mean, you can't understand HOWE to train a
dog withHOWET HURTIN HIM... or YOU WOULD,
wouldn't you?

NO. You won't. You won't GIVE UP INTIMIDATION
BRIBES and FORCED CONTROL, cause YOU FEAR
dogs and their behaviors, that's HOWE COME you
tell folks to HURT and KILL the dogs they can't train,
and WARN THEM not to believe The Puppy Wizard
and all HIS NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Students whom YOU CALL LIARS.

Diane Blackman


NHOWE GET THE HEEL HOWETA The Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Forum.

Repression of free speech is not your intent.

Repression of INFORMATION, IS. That's HOWE COME
the massive organized complain to The Puppy Wizard's
ISP campains. It's a FREE cHOWEntry, complain all you
goddamned LIKE. But no matter HOWE you cut it, The
Puppy Wizard sez you can't post here noMOORE.

No one is forcing anyone to kf anyone or to put any tag anywhere.


Right. This is a pubic forum and you can say anthing you
want to be proof you haven't got the intellect to HOWEtwit
the cunnin of the domestic puppy dog. Or you wouldn't
NEED to jerk and choke dogs on pronged spiked pinch
choke and shock and chin chuck and scruff shake and
punish and lock them in a box to control behaviors you
can't train.

I agree.


INDEEDY. You got NO CHOICE.

Dog training AIN'T LUCK.

Whether or not Jerry is mentally ill or just a giant
asshat, it's mighty annoying, to say the least,


Yeah... just like HOWE your dogs feel when you
scold punish or withhold treat and shock and choke
and lock them in boxes.

when he pulls up posts from 3 years ago and replies to them.


Yeah. That's the beauty of the WWW, ain't it. Everything is
archived forever.

It's way beyond annoying (to me)


EMBARRASSING, is what you really mean. Like
yesterday, when The Puppy Wizard pulled up a
post from lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn sayin
she has NO EXPERIENCE training K-9's to her
mentoin yesterday that she EVALUATED Hera
for signs of PRYORE attack trainin...

BWWAHAHAHA!!!

when he makes inane statements about all dogs being alike,


ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.
Handle the dog pupperly and there ain't no moore behavior problems.
All dogs are alike in that manner. You gonna call The Puppy Wizard
a liar by sayin SOME dogs have long hair and some have NONE?
SHOWENDS like lying frosty dahl callin The Puppy Wizard A LIAR
over MISQUOTING "did IN" or "did HOWET."

Tell The Puppy Wizard what's the difference if we beat the
dog till IT digs IN or HOWET to avoid another BEATIN?

all behavior problems being caused by mishandling,


RIGHT. That means we can REVERSE THEM nearly instantly.

health problems and illnesses being caused by stress


INDEED. PROVEN FACT. The latest research at UofOH sez
the stress causes Interluken6 to throw the whole goddamned
body HOWETA WHACKO!!!

which is caused by choke collars,


INDEED. And they destroy trust, besides trigger positive
THUGmotaxis, the opposition reflex.

etc.


Etc. That's HOWE COME dogs TURN on their people
run HOWET on them and fight with each other.

I don't want to see that stuff,


Of curse not! You WANT TO HURT DOGS cause THAT
is YOUR HUMAN NATURE. You feel EMBARASSED that
the dog is HOWEtwittin you.

or even have to wade through it,


You're sittin in it, racetrack silly, just like HOWE you
sit in your grandstand at the racetrack.

and I don't want to see responses to it.


Right. That's a other real good reason HOWE
COME you can't post here noMOORE. Got
any names for the new private list?

People who want to read it are welcome to it.


Yeah. Thank you.

I choose to killfile it,


Right... like you did in this thread, thanks to the
[Jerry] warning. To tell the truth, you should go
back to ed w of PET LOSS dot CON's NINNYBOY
in the header, to avoid EMBARRASSMENT.

along with anyone who doesn't want to use the tag.


Yeah. We should think up a better tag for all The
Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forum posters who write in with their
NEAR INSTANT 100% TOTAL SUCCESS stories, like
the OP in this thread. Pretty SICK INDIVIDUALS, wouldn't
you agree, racetrack silly?

Oh, speakin of which, HOWE much do you charge
for sellin a retired Grey HOWEnd?

I don't see it as a dictatorship,


Right. You're free to post here so long as you can
stand the EMBARRASSMENT... but there's a slight
problem you overlooked. There's repercussions from
extensive STRESS, like professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S
little dog Maxie The Magnificent Obsessively Compulsive
Masturbator's intestinal/digestive disorder he's goin thru,
and matty's dog Rocky's SEIZRURES and disciple
cad's Frankie's ruptured dics and dippy debbies ruptured
disc and janet boss's Franklin's compulsive swallowing
anything he can find and diddler's Danny and it's the same
same same same that killed peejoe's and gwen honey's
and perry's DEAD DOGS, amongst all the others.

Ask ed w of PET LOSS dot CON. He's been keepin track
despite that he never offers condolences here, perhaps
that's on accHOWET of he's a PROFESSIONAL GRIEF
CON SELLER.

and I certainly don't belong to any clique or club.


Well, unless you wanted to consider your Grey HOWEND
club to not really be a club. It's MOORE of a organization
dedicated to heepling HOWET the racin dogs they KILL
when YOU are done BETTIN ON THEM.

It just makes life here a little easier.


INDEEDY. That's the reason for "you can't post her noMOORE."

Mustang Sally


"Linda" wrote in message
om...
I have read many posts by members of this group and most are rather
simple and can be found from many sources such as books and training
brochures. Some of these many work for some dogs but Jerry's approach
and Wits End training may seem like a radical approach but it works.
Refusing to listen to JERRY and downloading the Wits End free manual
is stupid and must mean that you are really not serious about helping
your dog!



 




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