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How Is Madeleine?
On 30 Jan, 16:49, "catz carer" wrote: On 30 Jan, 01:07, "Lump" wrote: Thanks again for your kind thoughts! When we first went to pick her up this afternoon, the veterinary doctor seemed a bit down and said that he didn't think the pain shot had helped as much as he thought it might. He said he was able to feed her but she hadn't seemed to have improved. And when i went in to get her and saw her, my heart sank a little because she still seemed the same. They gave me their feeding syringe and asked if i'd like to try it out on her there, so i did, and i had the same problems as before. However, when she got home and i put her on my (newly cleaned) bed, she seemed more energetic. She still can't walk on her own, but when i give her some support, she shows strength in her legs that she had completely lost before. She kept moving around and seemed motivated by something. I finally took her to the litter box and she actually started to use her forearms to try to dig! I held her up for just a few seconds, then i turned her around the way she usually stands when she urinates, and she went in the litter box. I put her back on my bed and she was trying to walk around on her own, which she hasn't done for days. When she looked at me, she was purring, and her face and eyes had their usual lovely expression back. On top of that, i brought her a small bowl of wet food, without much hope, but just in case - and she gobbled it right up, all on her own! I think the pain shot must have helped. I think that maybe the doctor and the assistants didn't notice because Madeleine tends to be afraid of strangers; and she especially does not like going to the vet. So of course she must have been scared the whole time and that is probably why they did not notice an improvement. But she has definitely improved! We called them back and told them of all the changes we noticed. The doctor was very happy to hear it and said that if she needed another pain shot, he could do another one on Wednesday but preferrably Thursday (as he is afraid to overdo the pain shots). I am hoping that we can teach her to walk again, as she already seems much stronger. She still doesn't have her coordination back, but both my cat and i are very, very happy this evening! She is right up beside me, purring and dozing off. She is really herself again, at least in spirit. I'd like to thank you all again for your advice and support, it has really helped me!We are all thinking of you around the world (uk) and rooting for both you & sweet Madeleine too. Never give up hope and share as much cuddles and love as you are able to. I firmly believe that the power of love knows no bounds when it comes to our feline friends.. Best Wishes and love from all here including the furrballs too of course.. S;o)- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Hi, my sister just posted above(sheelagh) just to pass on regards. She rang me to tell me all about your post because she thought it would be of some interest to us. A few years ago we took Lucy to be spayed (well before we got Minky Izzy) @ one of those Hyperstores where they have a vetinary in residence because we didn't have a vet of our own. After taking Lucy Boots in to be seen to, we were told to leave her there for a few hours , then to collect her sometime later. When we arrived to collect her, we were informed that Lucy was having some trouble recovering after the operation. She had some similar problem's to the ones that you describe in your posting. Needless to say that we were terribly worride & had to leave her there for the following 24hours for observation. When we saw Lucy inatially, we honestly thought that she wouldn't last the following night.She looked terrible & was unable to walk unaided by herself either.My wife cried herself to sleep that night & I could have happily joined her. The following morning I went to our local vet & got all of the crew registered locally, because as you can imagine, I had absolutley no faith in the hyperstore's vet at all. I explained the whole story & current situation to him, & he told us to collect her, then call him to see her. I refused to accept their diagnosis & couldn't believe it, because when we saw her, it was obvious that she was trying to walk, but looked utterly dopey. We settled the bill with the store & took our cat home against thier advice, but as we had no confidence in them, the advice was moot really! I contacted the local vet as soon as we got her home and asked if I could bring her down for him to assess her. After a few poke's and proding, he looked at myself & my wife & said, "She has had a bad reaction to the anasthetic.Take her home, care for her, & in a few day's the reaction should recover fully & Lucy will be back to normal". I can remember feeling a bit sceptical about that at the time, but the difference was that we trusted him... Sure enough, around 12 hour's later, Lucy Boots started to help herself to walk without our assistance & within 24 hours was almost back to normal, appart from an infection where her stitches were. After a course of antibiotic's, she was back to her normal self within 3days. Needless to say that we reported the incident to the Royal College of Vetinary surgeons too. I tell you this story because I think it is important to keep faith & trust your instinct. I knew that the staff @ the hyperstore were onto a money spinner & probably didn't have half an idea of what they were about either.I am so glad that we did trust our instinct in this case & hope that you do the same too. We wish you all the best with Madeleine & hope that in time that she will be back to normal again, whatever it takes. Best Wishes & Good luck to you both Catz C &Cats And clear off Sheelagh & use your own account lol!! |
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I want to thank you all again for your thoughts and kind wishes.
I was very happy on Monday, after Madsie seemed so much improved after the pain shot, once we got her home. As i said before, the change was amazing, although she still couldn't walk on her own. Sadly, the next day, she was back to being limp and not eating on her own. She'd lost that expression of hers. So, the last two days have been very sad and depressing for me. I think i mentioned that on Monday, after we noticed the changes, we phoned the doctor and told him about everything. He said he could give her another pain shot on Wednesday but would prefer to wait until Thursday. I was torn between wanting to get her comfortable and the idea that maybe she would recover faster. I mean, i really wanted to take her yesterday but decided to take her in today because of what he said. He might be afraid of causing more damage by giving her too much pain meds too soon. And i'd rather keep her as healthy as possible for the long term. So, she'll be going in in about 90 minutes for her pain shot. I am really hoping it will help the way it did last time, maybe even more. When she gets home, i want to try to make the most of her feeling better but at the same time i don't want to push her too hard. I am hoping she'll eat on her own, and while she feels better, i was wondering if i should try working with her, maybe holding her up and trying to see if she'll walk. But i don't know if that would be too much. What i've been doing the last two days is basically the same except i did made some discoveries that i think make her a bit more comfortable. One of them is not to feed her with any syringes or tubes. The only thing that i use is a small eyedropper to give her water, and the little dropper for her antibiotics. Other than that, i have started using my hands only to feed her. I've been warming the food just a little, as i think room temperature at this time of year is a bit cold. I don't mix it with anything, it is very soft food that the vet gave us. I warm it a bit, get a little bit of it on one of my fingers, then hold her mouth open and gently smear the food inside, onto her tongue. She is actually chewing the food now, instead of just being forced to swallow. She seems much more tolerant of this and more comfortable. However, i'm not successful every time. There are a couple of times when she would not chew or swallow, so i wiped the excess from around her mouth and around her teeth as best i could, then gave her more water to wash down what was left. Overall, though, i think i am getting more sustenance down her by handfeeding her the warmed food without mixing it. I'm still scared and have had some very bad times these past couple of days. From what i have read, it seems she should be improving by now but she still can't stand up and is limp. I've also been bending and stretching her legs, trying to keep them moving at least a little. I noticed early on that her head seems to flop over sometimes, which scares me. I try to be very careful about keeping her neck supported when i am handling her. I lay her on her side to sleep and i switch sides, so there's not too much pressure on one side all the time. I also massage her, i don't know if that actually helps or not, but she seems to enjoy it. I am very hopeful for today, as these past two days have been very hard. |
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I just returned from the vet with Madeleine.
When i brought her in, first and assistant looked at her and seemed like she didn't think Madsie looked good. She said her temperature was very low, 98 point something, i can't even remember now. But this whole time i've kept her bundles in plenty of blankets and whenever i felt her she was so warm. After the doctor looked at her, his face looked down. He said she was very dehydrated again, even though i've been feeding her and giving her water since last time. I guess i didn't do a good enough job. I really was surprised. I thought she had been improving, even though i guess there's nothing that should have given me that impression except that she was chewing on her own. And she seemed warm and breathing fine. But no walking, very limp. I confirmed to him that, on the first day when we brought her home after the first pain shot, she was remarkably improved, ate on her own, tried to move on her own, etc, but the next day she fell back to not eating and being limp. He said he could give her more fluid in the sking and another pain shot, but that he didn't think it would do much. He said he didn't think her outlook was good. I said i wanted to try the fluid and pain shot, anyway, so he did that, and she's here with me now. It's not the same as the last time but maybe in a few hours i'll notice a difference, as the last time, they kept her there all day and i do not know what time they gave her the shot that day. So maybe it will take a while. And maybe somehow it will make a bigger difference this time. I should have taken her in yesterday, maybe it would have made a diffference. I don't know what to do. Every time i take her to the vet, she is so scared. I just want her to be back to the way she was before. I want her to be happy. I don't understand what happened. I think i could accept it if she died of old age but she was so vibrant before. It's not her time and if she dies, i don't know what to do. I can't imagine living without her i don't know if i can live without her. She is like my own child to me. I don't have and never will have children of my own. I can't bear to lose her. I know living creatures don't last forever, but it just doesn't seem right for her to die now. She should be fluttering around with her tail in the air and jumping on my bed and looking at me with that lovely expression, and nuzzling up to me. I don't know what to do. |
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We all have to lose people we love, i know that. I am not exempt from
loss. But it is just too much. She loves life and she is my joy in life. Creatures like her should live and be happy forever. If she has to die then i wish we could fall sleep together tonight and just not wake up. But there is no way to make that happen. I don't want to wake up without her. I am so afraid. I love her so much. |
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I'm sorry, i must sound crazy but she is like my own little baby.
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"Lump" wrote in message ps.com... I'm sorry, i must sound crazy but she is like my own little baby. It's okay, honey. We understand. It is just very hard. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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on Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:09:38 GMT, "Lump" wrote:
I'm sorry, i must sound crazy but she is like my own little baby. You don't sound crazy at all. You sound scared, and I don't blame you. I would feel the same way if it were one of mine. And quit saying or thinking that you didn't do enough. You are doing a great job! All we can do is our best. I have a few suggestions for you. Call your vet about administering subcutaneous fluids and pain medication at home yourself. If you feel confident in doing this, your vet should agree to let you do this. This means you will have to take her in so he can show you how to do this, but I think it will be best for your kitty. She needs to remain hydrated in order to recover, and she obviously needs help with this, so I'd get her in tomorrow for more fluids and a lesson in doing this and administer fluids at least once a day, or more often if your vet agrees. It's hard the first few times you do it, but you and she will get used to it, and I firmly believe that cats(, dogs and people) recover better when they are in their own home. I also think she should have pain medication, perhaps a synthetic morphine type drug (something similar to Ultram for humans), which does not have any tolerance problems. In other words, you can keep giving the same dose and it will have the same effect, as opposed to needing more and more for the same level of pain relief. I don't know if there is a drug like this for cats, but you should ask. Explore all of her options for pain relief. I'm strongly opposed to being stingy with pain meds, but of course you have to balance that with the problems of building tolerance or other potential complications from their use. I don't think it's time for you to let her go. I don't think enough has been done yet, but I also don't think that is at all your fault. Please keep us posted, and give Madeleine some love from across the wires for me. -- Lynne |
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I'm so sorry to hear Madeleine isn't doing better. I know how hard
this is. Please don't blame yourself. You sound like a great cat mom and you're taking great care of her. Please know that you and Madeleine are in my thoughts and prayers. |
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"Lynne" wrote in message ... on Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:09:38 GMT, "Lump" wrote: I'm sorry, i must sound crazy but she is like my own little baby. You don't sound crazy at all. You sound scared, and I don't blame you. I would feel the same way if it were one of mine. Agreed. We've all been there. And quit saying or thinking that you didn't do enough. You are doing a great job! All we can do is our best. I agree she's doing a great job. I have a few suggestions for you. Call your vet about administering subcutaneous fluids and pain medication at home yourself. If you feel confident in doing this, your vet should agree to let you do this. I agree with this 100% too. This means you will have to take her in so he can show you how to do this, but I think it will be best for your kitty. She needs to remain hydrated in order to recover, and she obviously needs help with this, so I'd get her in tomorrow for more fluids and a lesson in doing this and administer fluids at least once a day, or more often if your vet agrees. It's hard the first few times you do it, but you and she will get used to it, and I firmly believe that cats(, dogs and people) recover better when they are in their own home. Absolutely. I also think she should have pain medication, perhaps a synthetic morphine type drug (something similar to Ultram for humans), which does not have any tolerance problems. In other words, you can keep giving the same dose and it will have the same effect, as opposed to needing more and more for the same level of pain relief. I don't know if there is a drug like this for cats, but you should ask. Explore all of her options for pain relief. I'm strongly opposed to being stingy with pain meds, but of course you have to balance that with the problems of building tolerance or other potential complications from their use. Yes. I don't think it's time for you to let her go. I don't think enough has been done yet, but I also don't think that is at all your fault. Agreed. Please keep us posted, and give Madeleine some love from across the wires for me. My heart is breaking for you and Madeleine. You and she will be in my thoughts and prayers. Please don't give up. Best regards, ---Cindy S. |
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On 1 Feb 2007 13:01:11 -0800, "Lump" wrote:
We all have to lose people we love, i know that. I am not exempt from loss. But it is just too much. She loves life and she is my joy in life. Creatures like her should live and be happy forever. If she has to die then i wish we could fall sleep together tonight and just not wake up. But there is no way to make that happen. I don't want to wake up without her. I am so afraid. I love her so much. Lump, Hang in there. You're a great mommy! |
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