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interesting reaction
i have 2 cats that are very aggressive with each other (see my previous
reply post about introducing a new cat). when together they resemble the ball of fighting cats you'd see in old time cartoons; i keep expecting to see !$%*& characters come out of the furball. in order to try to contain them, i'm starting to harness train them, so i can attach a leash and be able to hold them apart. on one of them (a 23lb one, so have to use a small dog harness), i put it on very loosely but snug to his skin. he immediately hunkered down and became very still for a little while, then started backing up crawling on his belly. he continued to do this until he ran into the wall, then stopped and froze for about 30 seconds. then he'd shift around, and back up until he hit something else. this went on for about 15 minutes, and then he climbed up on the couch, laid down on his side and went to sleep. he was very subdued and not his usual active self. he almost never sleeps in this position, so i was wondering what was going on in that little mind of his. when i removed the harness after about an hour, he immediately returned to his normal self and didn't seem to be affected in any manner. i'm guessing that the pressure on the back of his nape reminded him of his mother grabbing or moving him by lifting from the nape? i can't really explain why he only backed up all over the room. there was nothing attached to the harness clip, nor were we even near him at the time. |
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chaniarts wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
i have 2 cats that are very aggressive with each other (see my previous reply post about introducing a new cat). when together they resemble the ball of fighting cats you'd see in old time cartoons; i keep expecting to see !$%*& characters come out of the furball. in order to try to contain them, i'm starting to harness train them, so i can attach a leash and be able to hold them apart. on one of them (a 23lb one, so have to use a small dog harness), i put it on very loosely but snug to his skin. he immediately hunkered down and became very still for a little while, then started backing up crawling on his belly. he continued to do this until he ran into the wall, then stopped and froze for about 30 seconds. then he'd shift around, and back up until he hit something else. this went on for about 15 minutes, and then he climbed up on the couch, laid down on his side and went to sleep. he was very subdued and not his usual active self. he almost never sleeps in this position, so i was wondering what was going on in that little mind of his. when i removed the harness after about an hour, he immediately returned to his normal self and didn't seem to be affected in any manner. i'm guessing that the pressure on the back of his nape reminded him of his mother grabbing or moving him by lifting from the nape? i can't really explain why he only backed up all over the room. there was nothing attached to the harness clip, nor were we even near him at the time. I'd say the 23 lb cat is what dog folks call 'pack leader and secure' and just got knocked off his shelf for a bit. This happens sometimes with larger cats only used to small ones. Though not always the leader, they are often enough it in a house. The smaller scrappy one wont accept this so you have trouble. It pretty much has to be settled early on and I gather it's been 2 years? As to that backing up, that is common first time in a harness. Ferals can turn on you in a flash in that situation without experience in how to handle them. |
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"chaniarts" wrote in message ... snip when i removed the harness after about an hour, he immediately returned to his normal self and didn't seem to be affected in any manner. i'm guessing that the pressure on the back of his nape reminded him of his mother grabbing or moving him by lifting from the nape? i can't really explain why he only backed up all over the room. there was nothing attached to the harness clip, nor were we even near him at the time. My Midnight used to do the same exact thing. I would leave her harness on while she walked around in the house, and then put her leash on to take her outside. After doing this for maybe a year or so, I was able to trust her without the leash & harness but she never got 100% used to wearing that harness. She would always walk really low to the ground when she had it on, as if it weighed a hundred pounds. |
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cshenk wrote:
chaniarts wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: i have 2 cats that are very aggressive with each other (see my previous reply post about introducing a new cat). when together they resemble the ball of fighting cats you'd see in old time cartoons; i keep expecting to see !$%*& characters come out of the furball. in order to try to contain them, i'm starting to harness train them, so i can attach a leash and be able to hold them apart. on one of them (a 23lb one, so have to use a small dog harness), i put it on very loosely but snug to his skin. he immediately hunkered down and became very still for a little while, then started backing up crawling on his belly. he continued to do this until he ran into the wall, then stopped and froze for about 30 seconds. then he'd shift around, and back up until he hit something else. this went on for about 15 minutes, and then he climbed up on the couch, laid down on his side and went to sleep. he was very subdued and not his usual active self. he almost never sleeps in this position, so i was wondering what was going on in that little mind of his. when i removed the harness after about an hour, he immediately returned to his normal self and didn't seem to be affected in any manner. i'm guessing that the pressure on the back of his nape reminded him of his mother grabbing or moving him by lifting from the nape? i can't really explain why he only backed up all over the room. there was nothing attached to the harness clip, nor were we even near him at the time. I'd say the 23 lb cat is what dog folks call 'pack leader and secure' and just got knocked off his shelf for a bit. This happens sometimes with larger cats only used to small ones. Though not always the leader, they are often enough it in a house. thanks. he was the leader of the house until my newest adoption about 2 years ago. that was a purebred bengal i obtained from a breeder going out of business who had 'donated' all his cats to the local rescue. this one was a 2 y.o. female, very small, and she immediately took over being the boss. she had never been out of a cage in her life, nor handled by humans, and acted just like a feral. it took about 2 months before i could touch her. she still can't be held for more than a couple of minutes, but is willing to be pet for short periods of time and doesn't try to skin your hands anymore. she does rule the roost now, and the big guy is number 2 in the pecking order. The smaller scrappy one wont accept this so you have trouble. It pretty much has to be settled early on and I gather it's been 2 years? yes, the foster is much smaller (6lbs) and was captured off the streets after some dogs had cornered and tore her up a bit. she was in the shelter for 2 years; i've only had her in my house for 5-6 months. i took 2 weeks to slowly introduce them using the techniques i've always used with success, but 2 days after they first had physical contact and the foster didn't back down any, i had a multiple cat fight on my hands. for some reason, any time this pair got into it, a couple of the others decided they also had to get in on the fun, sorta like teenager fights in the lunchroom. As to that backing up, that is common first time in a harness. Ferals can turn on you in a flash in that situation without experience in how to handle them. all of mine, including this big guy, were from rescues or i adopted off the street. i never got the history of him, but this foster was living on the streets for quite a while. she still is skittish when she hears different noises, which i don't ever expect her to give up. |
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I recently lost a cat of 10 years whose parents were both barn cats. I
got him at 8 weeks of age, but clearly his instinct for hunting was very high. With nothing normal inside to hunt, he hunted the other cats, whichever ones would run and squeal (jumbo mouse). As an experiment, I put a halter on him. He did the routine reaction of crouching down and slithering more than walking. Eventually, he got used to it, and would walk normally with it. He would run, jump, and climb with it on. But he never once attacked anybody with it on. And he would usually go into a calm and cuddly mode when I put on. So, I used it a lot with him. He would get really bad every time I returned from a trip, especially the first half hour. So, every time I got home from a trip, I loved him up and put the halter on him for about an hour. Then he was safe. At a cat show, I saw an Abyssinian wearing a halter inside his benching cage. I asked the owner, and she said it kept him calmer. Earlier this year, I saw an item for sale, called a "thundershirt" for dogs that is like a snug shirt that has a calming effect. So, maybe there is something calming about having something like this on. The halters I use are not like the leash halters you see at stores. They are shaped like a large H, flat material, and attach via velcro patches. http://www.zoocrewphoto.com/catproofs/jayjay02.jpg This is a photo of one of my cats wearing one. This is not the hunter cat. I have halters for all my cats since I travel with them. |
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On Fri, 27 May 2011 14:14:45 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote: wrote: I recently lost a cat of 10 years whose parents were both barn cats. I got him at 8 weeks of age, but clearly his instinct for hunting was very high. With nothing normal inside to hunt, he hunted the other cats, whichever ones would run and squeal (jumbo mouse). As an experiment, I put a halter on him. He did the routine reaction of crouching down and slithering more than walking. Eventually, he got used to it, and would walk normally with it. He would run, jump, and climb with it on. But he never once attacked anybody with it on. And he would usually go into a calm and cuddly mode when I put on. So, I used it a lot with him. He would get really bad every time I returned from a trip, especially the first half hour. So, every time I got home from a trip, I loved him up and put the halter on him for about an hour. Then he was safe. At a cat show, I saw an Abyssinian wearing a halter inside his benching cage. I asked the owner, and she said it kept him calmer. Earlier this year, I saw an item for sale, called a "thundershirt" for dogs that is like a snug shirt that has a calming effect. So, maybe there is something calming about having something like this on. The halters I use are not like the leash halters you see at stores. They are shaped like a large H, flat material, and attach via velcro patches. http://www.zoocrewphoto.com/catproofs/jayjay02.jpg This is a photo of one of my cats wearing one. This is not the hunter cat. I have halters for all my cats since I travel with them. I have one that hates collars with a bell on them. He went crazy until I took the bell off, so now I just keep a name tag on so peoiple wiull know where to bring him if he dies or gets lost. I think the bell made it hard for him to hunt mice and voles which he does frequently.... I read somewhere that a bell on a collar doesn't interfere with a cat killing birds, I don't know about other animals but apparently birds don't associate a bell with danger. |
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dgk wrote:
On Fri, 27 May 2011 14:14:45 -0700, "Bill Graham" wrote: wrote: I recently lost a cat of 10 years whose parents were both barn cats. I got him at 8 weeks of age, but clearly his instinct for hunting was very high. With nothing normal inside to hunt, he hunted the other cats, whichever ones would run and squeal (jumbo mouse). As an experiment, I put a halter on him. He did the routine reaction of crouching down and slithering more than walking. Eventually, he got used to it, and would walk normally with it. He would run, jump, and climb with it on. But he never once attacked anybody with it on. And he would usually go into a calm and cuddly mode when I put on. So, I used it a lot with him. He would get really bad every time I returned from a trip, especially the first half hour. So, every time I got home from a trip, I loved him up and put the halter on him for about an hour. Then he was safe. At a cat show, I saw an Abyssinian wearing a halter inside his benching cage. I asked the owner, and she said it kept him calmer. Earlier this year, I saw an item for sale, called a "thundershirt" for dogs that is like a snug shirt that has a calming effect. So, maybe there is something calming about having something like this on. The halters I use are not like the leash halters you see at stores. They are shaped like a large H, flat material, and attach via velcro patches. http://www.zoocrewphoto.com/catproofs/jayjay02.jpg This is a photo of one of my cats wearing one. This is not the hunter cat. I have halters for all my cats since I travel with them. I have one that hates collars with a bell on them. He went crazy until I took the bell off, so now I just keep a name tag on so peoiple wiull know where to bring him if he dies or gets lost. I think the bell made it hard for him to hunt mice and voles which he does frequently.... I read somewhere that a bell on a collar doesn't interfere with a cat killing birds, I don't know about other animals but apparently birds don't associate a bell with danger. Probably true. When I was a kid the lady who lived next door had a cat that killed birds. She put a bell collar on it, and it didn't slow the cat down at all. It could stalk a bird and kill it without the bell making a tinkle. But my B-K hated it, so I removed it. He is happy with the name tag, even though it tinkles on the edge of the bowl when he is drinking water. |
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