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Are Fleas now ammune to everything?
Wow, I just searched rec.pets.cats.health+behav for the last year and only got 2 threads about "flea." Wazup with that!?? Fleas are no longer a problem? I just had two flea collars fail to work. Are Fleas now ammune to everything? I remember when flea collars were 100% effective for the 3 months they advertised. Now the purple (tetrachlorvinphose 14.55%) 7-month $3 Hartz Ultraguard flea & tick collar for cats & kittens only stopped the scratching for a week or so. (I also used the approved Hartz 30-day egg & larva "control" drops (Ultraguard Onespot (S)methoprene 2.9%)). Note it doesn't claim to "kill" eggs & larva. I just abandoned the lime-green 6-month one (with 3 white stripes) same-same, no good and figured I just forgot to stretch-activate it. I presume it was a different formula, since I think it advertised to also "kill" larva and eggs. My cat is under 5 pounds, about 8 years old, and very healthy, almost kitten-like in energy. In the past I have used both Frontline and Advantage drops once every spring and (sometimes) fall to kill flea infestations. But as I noted here On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:58:09 GMT, in "is there an Antidote for Revolution? (fleas);" Revolution almost killed my cat. ...so it's not like these fleas have had years of flea collars to gain immunity. So looking around the Web, it seems flea collars in general are not effective, and might be dangerous, so it's back to flea drops? 1) Has anybody else ran into flea collars that don't kill flea infestations? (I live in Fresno, CA.) 2) Has anybody ran into flea drops that don't kill flea infestations? 3) Suggestions? Fleas; On Tue, 16 Aug 201, obsidianjg wrote: On Aug 15, 11:49*am, Suzie-Q wrote: Does anyone have any opinions or experience using food grade diatomaceous earth sprinkled on/into carpets for treating fleas? Thanks in advance, 8^)~~~~~~ * * * Sue * * (remove x to email) ~~~~~~~~~ http://suzie-q-wacvet.com/http://int...m/malebashing/ I don't have any experience with the stuff you are using. But getting rid of fleas isn't easy. I used Borax with some success, but it only works on the ares you treated. I got rid of fleas by using Borax, diligently vacuuming all "cat areas", and treating my cats with Frontline. This only works if the flea infestation is in the beginning stages. Once the fleas have settled in, you need stronger tools like the bombs. But you still should treat your cats with Frontline or Advantage or some similar product. |
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Are Fleas now ammune to everything?
Flea collars are useless..Don't use any Hartz products. They are
dangerous. Frontline and Advantage should work if properly applied. Revolution is also a good product. Where your cat weighs less than 5 pounds, the doses for all these products should be adjusted. Best to see your vet about this. ---MIKE--- In the White Mountains of New Hampshire (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') |
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Are Fleas now ammune to everything?
Are Fleas now ammune to everything?; On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:45:01 -0400, ---MIKE--- wrote: Flea collars are useless..Don't use any Hartz products. They are dangerous. Frontline and Advantage should work if properly applied. Revolution is also a good product. Where your cat weighs less than 5 pounds, the doses for all these products should be adjusted. Best to see your vet about this. Thanks, I guess a stock cut-and-paste reply is generically better than none. However, you've addressed none of my concerns. BTW, don't most drops and collars come in both the over, and the under 5-pound dosages? I noticed Wal-mart was out of the under-5 Hartz collar, but had it the next day. (Labled: "for cats and kittens" or over five lbs. ---MIKE--- In the White Mountains of New Hampshire (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') The insane twist the facts to fit their world view. The rational change their world view to fit the facts. |
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Are Fleas now ammune to everything?
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Doug Bashford wrote: Are Fleas now ammune to everything?; On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:45:01 -0400, ---MIKE--- wrote: Flea collars are useless..Don't use any Hartz products. They are dangerous. Frontline and Advantage should work if properly applied. Revolution is also a good product. Where your cat weighs less than 5 pounds, the doses for all these products should be adjusted. Best to see your vet about this. Thanks, I guess a stock cut-and-paste reply is generically better than none. However, you've addressed none of my concerns. BTW, don't most drops and collars come in both the over, and the under 5-pound dosages? I noticed Wal-mart was out of the under-5 Hartz collar, but had it the next day. (Labled: "for cats and kittens" or over five lbs. ---MIKE--- In the White Mountains of New Hampshire (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') The insane twist the facts to fit their world view. The rational change their world view to fit the facts. More cut 'n paste I'm afraid. http://cats.about.com/cs/healthissues/a/permethrin_2.htm Flea and tick control products are registered with the EPA. Under federal law, manufacturers of these products are required to file a report each time a consumer complains about problems with the products. In 2001, the EPA instituted an investigation of several Hartz products, prompted by "large numbers of incidents reported in the quarterly aggregate reports for these products." (Quarterly reports referenced were from 3rd quarter 1998 through 4th quarter 2000.) The Hartz products reviewed we 1. 2596-146? Control One-Spot for Dogs (2.9% methoprene and 45% permethrin) 2. 2596-147 Control One-Spot for Cats (2.9% methoprene) 3. 2596-148 Advanced Care Flea and Tick Drops for Cats (85.7% d-phenothrin and 2.9% methoprene) 4. 2596-150 Advanced Care Flea and Tick Drops for Dogs (85.7% dphenothrin and 2.9% methoprene) The investigation found that 141 cat deaths were directly attributable to having been treated either intentionally or accidentally with Product #2596-146, and an additional 17 deaths came from contact with dogs treated with that product. These deaths constituted 66% of the total deaths reported. Of Major Events (not resulting in death) reported, 316 were in cats directly treated with Product #2596-146, or having contact with treated dogs. These figures provide a compelling reason to observe label instructions in all products. There were 202 deaths reported for Product #2596-147, (from data provided by NAPCC (National Animal Poison Control Center). Of those, 75 were considered unlikely due to product exposure, and 109 deaths were of unknown cause, partially due to incomplete information by the reporting persons.? Nine cases of liver failure and death were found to be attributable to that product. Of "major events" (not death related incidents), 128 (76%) involved tremor and/or seizures, and 109 of the total 169 "were categorized as unlikely caused by 2596-147." It should be noted that this product does not contain permethrin. Its active ingredient is methoprene. However, with this ingredient alone, the report cited multiple cases of "possible dermal hypersensitivity, with symptoms of "hyperactivity, nervousness, trying to bite at application site, hissing, agitation, tachycardia, dyspnea (difficulty breathing) and panting." -- - Billy Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy. Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans "appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of waste, fraud and abuse." http://www.politifact.com/ohio/state...is-kucinich/re p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/ [W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itıs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatıs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donıt get away with no taxation. - Ralph Nader http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis |
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Are Fleas now ammune to everything?
Someone said:
The insane twist the facts to fit their world view. The rational change their world view to fit the facts. How about keeping your world view, but attempting to change the facts to accomodate it? |
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Are Fleas now ammune to everything?
about: Are Fleas now ammune to everything?; On Sun, 28 Aug 2011, Billy wrote: Doug Bashford wrote: Are Fleas now ammune to everything?; On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:45:01 -0400, ---MIKE--- wrote: Flea collars are useless..Don't use any Hartz products. They are dangerous. Frontline and Advantage should work if properly applied. Revolution is also a good product. Where your cat weighs less than 5 pounds, the doses for all these products should be adjusted. Best to see your vet about this. Thanks, I guess a stock cut-and-paste reply is generically better than none. However, you've addressed none of my concerns. BTW, don't most drops and collars come in both the over, and the under 5-pound dosages? I noticed Wal-mart was out of the under-5 Hartz collar, but had it the next day. (Labled: "for cats and kittens" or over five lbs. ---MIKE--- In the White Mountains of New Hampshire (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') The insane twist the facts to fit their world view. The rational change their world view to fit the facts. More cut 'n paste I'm afraid. If it's germane, no problemo. http://cats.about.com/cs/healthissues/a/permethrin_2.htm Flea and tick control products are registered with the EPA. Under federal law, manufacturers of these products are required to file a report each time a consumer complains about problems with the products. In 2001, the EPA instituted an investigation of several Hartz products, prompted by "large numbers of incidents reported in the quarterly aggregate reports for these products." (Quarterly reports referenced were from 3rd quarter 1998 through 4th quarter 2000.) The Hartz products reviewed we 1. 2596-146? Control One-Spot for Dogs (2.9% methoprene and 45% permethrin) 2. 2596-147 Control One-Spot for Cats (2.9% methoprene) 3. 2596-148 Advanced Care Flea and Tick Drops for Cats (85.7% d-phenothrin and 2.9% methoprene) 4. 2596-150 Advanced Care Flea and Tick Drops for Dogs (85.7% dphenothrin and 2.9% methoprene) The investigation found that 141 cat deaths were directly attributable to having been treated either intentionally or accidentally with Product #2596-146, All operator error. and an additional 17 deaths came from contact with dogs treated with that product. I had no idea permethrin was so deadly to cats! It's usage as a GP insectecide (and house & garden) has EXPLODED in recent years because it's so harmless. I notice it's (or it's cousins) now the main ingredient even for RAID. These deaths constituted 66% of the total deaths reported. Of Major Events (not resulting in death) reported, 316 were in cats directly treated with Product #2596-146, or having contact with treated dogs. These figures provide a compelling reason to observe label instructions in all products. There were 202 deaths reported for Product #2596-147, (from data provided by NAPCC (National Animal Poison Control Center). Of those, 75 were considered unlikely due to product exposure, and 109 deaths were of unknown cause, partially due to incomplete information by the reporting persons.? Nine cases of liver failure and death were found to be attributable to that product. I smell statistics spinning here. Why are you not reporting the same categoris for both dog & cat? For example, why no; "unlikely due to product exposure" for cats? ...and so on? Of "major events" (not death related incidents), 128 (76%) involved tremor and/or seizures, and 109 of the total 169 "were categorized as unlikely caused by 2596-147." It should be noted that this product does not contain permethrin. Its active ingredient is methoprene. However, I'm afraid that the lack of comparable data has me so distracted that the narritive is gibberish to me. with this ingredient alone, the report cited multiple cases of "possible dermal hypersensitivity, with symptoms of "hyperactivity, nervousness, trying to bite at application site, hissing, agitation, tachycardia, dyspnea (difficulty breathing) and panting." I've had three bad experiences, once with drops (as mentioned) plus once with a Zodiac flea collar ....on two different cats. In both cases the main symptom was drunkenness, with the drops: also a cocked sideways head for several days. With the Zodiac flea collar, I was able to remove it within an hour. (So no dead cat!) The third bad experience is now: fleas seemingly not killed. In all cases the cats had been treated OK before, none were sick or old. The insane twist the facts to fit their world view. The rational change their world view to fit the facts. |
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Are Fleas now ammune to everything?
On Sun, 28 Aug 2011, Bill Graham wrote: Someone said: The insane twist the facts to fit their world view. The rational change their world view to fit the facts. How about keeping your world view, but attempting to change the facts to accomodate it? The key I think is the ability to differentiate practical goal-setting from insanity. You know the story of Don Quixote? (sp) Another problem is the ability to differentiate world-changing from the great satisfactions of fist-shaking and windmill-charging. (The latter can cause great harm.) The insane twist the facts to fit their world view. The rational change their world view to fit the facts. |
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