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Old August 11th 03, 12:50 AM
bewtifulfreak
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"Brandy Alexandre" wrote in message
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Good luck with that statement. This group is nothing but extremists
who like to flame away people who are not of like mind or who they
cannot convert.


I'm not an extremist, but the fact is, most countries have banned declawing
for a reason, and many vets have expressed their professional opinion that
declawing is harmful to a cat, that it can cause a lot of pain, and often
psychological and/or behavior problems. I don't see why they would do this
if it was just a matter of personal preference. Considering how rarely
governments consider animal rights, the fact that so many have considered
declawing harmful enough to ban it sends a very strong message, and there
are certainly a number of fact-laden articles all over the 'Net (many by
vets) supporting that viewpoint. There is also a great deal of anecdotal
evidence regarding the aforementioned psychological and behavior problems,
much of it from shelters dealing with the fallout of this proceedure.

That is the reason it's very difficult for most people here not to get
angry, extreme or resort to name calling when they hear of people trying to
justify the proceedure; it is unneccessary, and there is a lot of evidence
which supports the idea that it can cause a cat a lot of misery. And as
this group is full of animal lovers, it angers them to hear people trying to
justify an unecessary procedure that makes innocent animals suffer....that's
only natural.

Ann


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Old August 11th 03, 01:39 AM
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"Brandy Alexandre" wrote:

Gary wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

What's the difference between "name calling" and accurate descriptive
phrases?


You mean like close-minded, self-absorbed, "everyone should think the
way I do" purists like you? That's dead on, but saying so would never
get you to even consider anything I say seriusly. I'm just saying you
do the issue much more harm than good with you PERSONAL OPINION of
someone thrown in.

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Well, would you?


That's what usenet is about - PERSONAL OPINION. Deal with it.

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Old August 11th 03, 01:39 AM
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"Brandy Alexandre" wrote:

Gary wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

What's the difference between "name calling" and accurate descriptive
phrases?


You mean like close-minded, self-absorbed, "everyone should think the
way I do" purists like you? That's dead on, but saying so would never
get you to even consider anything I say seriusly. I'm just saying you
do the issue much more harm than good with you PERSONAL OPINION of
someone thrown in.

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Well, would you?


That's what usenet is about - PERSONAL OPINION. Deal with it.

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Old August 11th 03, 01:40 AM
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There are regional and cultural issues surrounding everything we do and
one country will be in line with it while another will not. Glom on to
whatever fits within your ideal, but don't discount everything that
does not as "just wrong." Because by and large it isn't. It's just an
opinion. How many industrialized nations are there in the world
anyway? Twenty of them have banned declawing. Half of them admit
there's still an underground for it and the results have been similar
to the banning of abortion--disfigurement and death. If that's what
you want to happen to cats, fine. I think you're cruel.


But if the cat died "as a result of a countries laws", wouldn't that then
mean the person who took the cat to be declawed in the first place was
indeed the "cruel" one?

Mike


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Old August 11th 03, 01:40 AM
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There are regional and cultural issues surrounding everything we do and
one country will be in line with it while another will not. Glom on to
whatever fits within your ideal, but don't discount everything that
does not as "just wrong." Because by and large it isn't. It's just an
opinion. How many industrialized nations are there in the world
anyway? Twenty of them have banned declawing. Half of them admit
there's still an underground for it and the results have been similar
to the banning of abortion--disfigurement and death. If that's what
you want to happen to cats, fine. I think you're cruel.


But if the cat died "as a result of a countries laws", wouldn't that then
mean the person who took the cat to be declawed in the first place was
indeed the "cruel" one?

Mike


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Old August 11th 03, 01:46 AM
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"Gary" wrote in message ...
"Brandy Alexandre" wrote:

I think you're cruel.


Now who's name calling, two-faced hypocrite?!?


From a different angle he brings up a somewhat good point, relative to the
vast majority of the world where cats are eaten as often as beef, de-clawing
isn't that cruel.
That just means the rest of the world is a bit messed up. Mutilating an
animal for personal gain is wrong in my opinion.
Why not take a needle and sow up its ass if it craps outside the litter
tray?

Mike


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Old August 11th 03, 01:46 AM
Mike
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"Gary" wrote in message ...
"Brandy Alexandre" wrote:

I think you're cruel.


Now who's name calling, two-faced hypocrite?!?


From a different angle he brings up a somewhat good point, relative to the
vast majority of the world where cats are eaten as often as beef, de-clawing
isn't that cruel.
That just means the rest of the world is a bit messed up. Mutilating an
animal for personal gain is wrong in my opinion.
Why not take a needle and sow up its ass if it craps outside the litter
tray?

Mike


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Old August 11th 03, 01:49 AM
Mike
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From a different angle he brings up a somewhat good point, relative to the
vast majority of the world where cats are eaten as often as beef,

de-clawing
isn't that cruel.
That just means the rest of the world is a bit messed up. Mutilating an
animal for personal gain is wrong in my opinion.
Why not take a needle and sow up its ass if it craps outside the litter
tray?


Excuse the poor English but its getting late

Mike


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Old August 11th 03, 01:49 AM
Mike
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From a different angle he brings up a somewhat good point, relative to the
vast majority of the world where cats are eaten as often as beef,

de-clawing
isn't that cruel.
That just means the rest of the world is a bit messed up. Mutilating an
animal for personal gain is wrong in my opinion.
Why not take a needle and sow up its ass if it craps outside the litter
tray?


Excuse the poor English but its getting late

Mike


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Old August 11th 03, 02:03 AM
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"Brandy Alexandre" wrote in message
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bewtifulfreak wrote in


There are regional and cultural issues surrounding everything we do and
one country will be in line with it while another will not. Glom on to
whatever fits within your ideal, but don't discount everything that
does not as "just wrong." Because by and large it isn't. It's just an
opinion.


As I said, there is anecdotal evidence and professional information
indicating that it's not just opinion that declawing can and often does harm
cats: it's fact. That's not hystrionic and overzelous, that's just plain
fact. I support you in living your life in whatever way you see fit that
doesn't harm another being: I don't care about your religious preference,
your sexual preference, what you wear, what you eat, if you smoke (as long
as you do so considerately), or anything else. I don't care if you belive
in God or whether the moon is made of green cheese. *That's* all a matter
of opinion and personal preference, or, in the case of believing the moon is
made of green cheese, harmless ignorance. Causing injury to another being -
particularly for your own convenience, but for any reason whatsoever - is
certainly *not* harmless, and thus, not merely a matter of personal
preference, unless you are the type of person who believes that someone
should be allowed to exercise their preference for things such as wife
beating.


How many industrialized nations are there in the world
anyway? Twenty of them have banned declawing.


Twenty different nations agreeing on the same thing seems like far more than
"opinion" to me, and certainly argues against it being a matter of regional
and cultural preference, unless we are to believe all twenty of those
nations have the same regional and cultural bias, which seems highly
unlikely. The only two countries that haven't banned it are much more
likely to share a cultural and regional bias, that most likely being the
bias of putting the love of money above all else.


Half of them admit
there's still an underground for it and the results have been similar
to the banning of abortion--disfigurement and death. If that's what
you want to happen to cats, fine. I think you're cruel.


I don't want that to happen. I don't want murder to happen either, but it
does. But does that mean we should make it legal? I'm not comparing
declawing to murder, but the fact that something happens illegally doesn't
justify making it legal. And for someone who encourages people to discuss
things rationally in order to make their opinions more accesible, accusing
me of wanting cats to suffer and calling me cruel because I'm against
declawing is not only irrational, but hypocritical as well.

Ann

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For more information on the anti-declawing issue I would recommend The
Declawing Information Site:

http://stopdeclaw.com


 




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