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Old April 19th 04, 01:08 PM
Kristine Kochanski
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Just wondering what the general consensus was on cat shows? I ask
because I attended one the other day and was quite upset at seeing
distressed, miserable cats kept in 2ft cages for hours, with hundreds
of strangers (me included!) milling around staring and cooing at them
- and men in white coats pulling them out and poking, stretching and
prodding them. This can't be good for a cat! Every cat was obviously
incredibly loved and pampered, I just find this act of 'showing'
rather uneasy.

Firstly, how can you judge a cat on appearance? Aren't they all
beautiful whether they have a certificate that says so or not?
Secondly, should people, in this so-called civilised day and age, be
*rewarded* for inbreeding? For example, the flatness of a Persian
cat's face really upsets me (

I left the show feeling quite bewildered and negative and I'm sure I
will never attend such an event again.

Any breeders care to comment? Dare say they will claim the cats enjoy
the experience. But looking at them and listening to their distressed
mewing - and having a fair understanding of cat behaviour and
psychology - I fail to understand this.
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Old April 19th 04, 09:55 PM
Alison
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"Kristine Kochanski" wrote in message
...
Just wondering what the general consensus was on cat shows? I ask
because I attended one the other day and was quite upset at seeing
distressed, miserable cats kept in 2ft cages for hours, with

hundreds
of strangers (me included!) milling around staring and cooing at

them
- and men in white coats pulling them out and poking, stretching and
prodding them. This can't be good for a cat! Every cat was obviously
incredibly loved and pampered, I just find this act of 'showing'
rather uneasy.

Firstly, how can you judge a cat on appearance? Aren't they all
beautiful whether they have a certificate that says so or not?
Secondly, should people, in this so-called civilised day and age, be
*rewarded* for inbreeding? For example, the flatness of a Persian
cat's face really upsets me (

I left the show feeling quite bewildered and negative and I'm sure I
will never attend such an event again.

Any breeders care to comment? Dare say they will claim the cats

enjoy
the experience. But looking at them and listening to their

distressed
mewing - and having a fair understanding of cat behaviour and
psychology - I fail to understand this.


I have to say I'm not keen on cat shows and big dog shows like
Crufts. I go to local charity dog shows and I think the majority of
dogs enjoy all the excitement.
I'm not interested in breeding , there's too many rescue cats and
dogs out there!. But I have my favourite breeds such as JRs and
Springers and Snowshoe etc I think a lot depends on the breeder, you
get good ones and you get not so good ones. Unfortunately, sometimes,
breeders are more interested in the breed and the standard than the
individual cat or dog.
Alison


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Old April 19th 04, 09:55 PM
Alison
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"Kristine Kochanski" wrote in message
...
Just wondering what the general consensus was on cat shows? I ask
because I attended one the other day and was quite upset at seeing
distressed, miserable cats kept in 2ft cages for hours, with

hundreds
of strangers (me included!) milling around staring and cooing at

them
- and men in white coats pulling them out and poking, stretching and
prodding them. This can't be good for a cat! Every cat was obviously
incredibly loved and pampered, I just find this act of 'showing'
rather uneasy.

Firstly, how can you judge a cat on appearance? Aren't they all
beautiful whether they have a certificate that says so or not?
Secondly, should people, in this so-called civilised day and age, be
*rewarded* for inbreeding? For example, the flatness of a Persian
cat's face really upsets me (

I left the show feeling quite bewildered and negative and I'm sure I
will never attend such an event again.

Any breeders care to comment? Dare say they will claim the cats

enjoy
the experience. But looking at them and listening to their

distressed
mewing - and having a fair understanding of cat behaviour and
psychology - I fail to understand this.


I have to say I'm not keen on cat shows and big dog shows like
Crufts. I go to local charity dog shows and I think the majority of
dogs enjoy all the excitement.
I'm not interested in breeding , there's too many rescue cats and
dogs out there!. But I have my favourite breeds such as JRs and
Springers and Snowshoe etc I think a lot depends on the breeder, you
get good ones and you get not so good ones. Unfortunately, sometimes,
breeders are more interested in the breed and the standard than the
individual cat or dog.
Alison


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Old April 19th 04, 09:59 PM
Gee
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"Kristine Kochanski" wrote in message
...
Just wondering what the general consensus was on cat shows? I ask
because I attended one the other day and was quite upset at seeing
distressed, miserable cats kept in 2ft cages for hours, with hundreds
of strangers (me included!) milling around staring and cooing at them
- and men in white coats pulling them out and poking, stretching and
prodding them. This can't be good for a cat! Every cat was obviously
incredibly loved and pampered, I just find this act of 'showing'
rather uneasy.

Firstly, how can you judge a cat on appearance? Aren't they all
beautiful whether they have a certificate that says so or not?


I sooo agree with your comment. I just can;t see how one cat is more
beautiful than the other. If you love animals you love them all, or you
don't love animals. It's simple really.

Secondly, should people, in this so-called civilised day and age, be
*rewarded* for inbreeding? For example, the flatness of a Persian
cat's face really upsets me (


Totally, various purebred animals (cats and dogs) have so many
breed-associatted problems that instead of helping them overcome them, those
crazy people keep emphasising and enlarging the issues for the sake of money
and fame of a human! I do wonder sometimes if breeders do LOVE their
animals, or are they in it just for the money.

I left the show feeling quite bewildered and negative and I'm sure I
will never attend such an event again.


Nor me. I am all for equality in all respects for everyone, and this
competition thing (animals , people anything really) is just very pathetic.
There is a place for everyone in this world.

Any breeders care to comment?


I'm not a breeder, God forbid, all of mine have been done as soon as they
walked into my life.

Dare say they will claim the cats enjoy the experience.


I can;t see how they would. Cats are territorial animals and feel very
uncomfortable to downright scared on any new territory. And if that new
territory contains millions of other strange cats, I can just imagine what
exactly poor cat is thinking and feeling, terrified and stressed!

So I fail to understand breed shows as well, and who exactly benefits from
them. However I do like to watch agility shows.

Gee


  #5  
Old April 19th 04, 09:59 PM
Gee
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"Kristine Kochanski" wrote in message
...
Just wondering what the general consensus was on cat shows? I ask
because I attended one the other day and was quite upset at seeing
distressed, miserable cats kept in 2ft cages for hours, with hundreds
of strangers (me included!) milling around staring and cooing at them
- and men in white coats pulling them out and poking, stretching and
prodding them. This can't be good for a cat! Every cat was obviously
incredibly loved and pampered, I just find this act of 'showing'
rather uneasy.

Firstly, how can you judge a cat on appearance? Aren't they all
beautiful whether they have a certificate that says so or not?


I sooo agree with your comment. I just can;t see how one cat is more
beautiful than the other. If you love animals you love them all, or you
don't love animals. It's simple really.

Secondly, should people, in this so-called civilised day and age, be
*rewarded* for inbreeding? For example, the flatness of a Persian
cat's face really upsets me (


Totally, various purebred animals (cats and dogs) have so many
breed-associatted problems that instead of helping them overcome them, those
crazy people keep emphasising and enlarging the issues for the sake of money
and fame of a human! I do wonder sometimes if breeders do LOVE their
animals, or are they in it just for the money.

I left the show feeling quite bewildered and negative and I'm sure I
will never attend such an event again.


Nor me. I am all for equality in all respects for everyone, and this
competition thing (animals , people anything really) is just very pathetic.
There is a place for everyone in this world.

Any breeders care to comment?


I'm not a breeder, God forbid, all of mine have been done as soon as they
walked into my life.

Dare say they will claim the cats enjoy the experience.


I can;t see how they would. Cats are territorial animals and feel very
uncomfortable to downright scared on any new territory. And if that new
territory contains millions of other strange cats, I can just imagine what
exactly poor cat is thinking and feeling, terrified and stressed!

So I fail to understand breed shows as well, and who exactly benefits from
them. However I do like to watch agility shows.

Gee


  #6  
Old April 19th 04, 10:07 PM
Tina Laitinen
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"Gee" wrote in message
...

"Kristine Kochanski" wrote in message
...
Just wondering what the general consensus was on cat shows? I ask
because I attended one the other day and was quite upset at seeing
distressed, miserable cats kept in 2ft cages for hours, with hundreds
of strangers (me included!) milling around staring and cooing at them
- and men in white coats pulling them out and poking, stretching and
prodding them. This can't be good for a cat! Every cat was obviously
incredibly loved and pampered, I just find this act of 'showing'
rather uneasy.

Firstly, how can you judge a cat on appearance? Aren't they all
beautiful whether they have a certificate that says so or not?


I sooo agree with your comment. I just can;t see how one cat is more
beautiful than the other. If you love animals you love them all, or you
don't love animals. It's simple really.

Secondly, should people, in this so-called civilised day and age, be
*rewarded* for inbreeding? For example, the flatness of a Persian
cat's face really upsets me (


Totally, various purebred animals (cats and dogs) have so many
breed-associatted problems that instead of helping them overcome them,

those
crazy people keep emphasising and enlarging the issues for the sake of

money
and fame of a human! I do wonder sometimes if breeders do LOVE their
animals, or are they in it just for the money.

I left the show feeling quite bewildered and negative and I'm sure I
will never attend such an event again.


Nor me. I am all for equality in all respects for everyone, and this
competition thing (animals , people anything really) is just very

pathetic.
There is a place for everyone in this world.

Any breeders care to comment?


I'm not a breeder, God forbid, all of mine have been done as soon as they
walked into my life.

Dare say they will claim the cats enjoy the experience.


I can;t see how they would. Cats are territorial animals and feel very
uncomfortable to downright scared on any new territory. And if that new
territory contains millions of other strange cats, I can just imagine what
exactly poor cat is thinking and feeling, terrified and stressed!

So I fail to understand breed shows as well, and who exactly benefits from
them. However I do like to watch agility shows.

Gee


Personally I think if your going to get a pure breed cat the cat shows are
the best place to go and talk to breeders and learn about the breed of cat.
I think that the cats enjoy being spoiled. Most of the cat shows I've been
to the cats were fairly calm and most were sleepin. The breeders seem to
love their cats and most are very egar to share cat stories. At least
that's at the show's I've been to. They also have common housecat shows.
Though I've never been to one. It might be fun to go to one of those and
see the different personalities of the regular old house cats with no breed
to em at all. Lastly, I read somewhere that non-pure breed cats are more
likely to live longer than pure breed cats and are less likely to have
behavioural and heath problems. Still some days we wish we had cats who
liked water, or liked to sit on your lap. Personally I'd like a hairless
one hehe.

Tina


  #7  
Old April 19th 04, 10:07 PM
Tina Laitinen
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"Gee" wrote in message
...

"Kristine Kochanski" wrote in message
...
Just wondering what the general consensus was on cat shows? I ask
because I attended one the other day and was quite upset at seeing
distressed, miserable cats kept in 2ft cages for hours, with hundreds
of strangers (me included!) milling around staring and cooing at them
- and men in white coats pulling them out and poking, stretching and
prodding them. This can't be good for a cat! Every cat was obviously
incredibly loved and pampered, I just find this act of 'showing'
rather uneasy.

Firstly, how can you judge a cat on appearance? Aren't they all
beautiful whether they have a certificate that says so or not?


I sooo agree with your comment. I just can;t see how one cat is more
beautiful than the other. If you love animals you love them all, or you
don't love animals. It's simple really.

Secondly, should people, in this so-called civilised day and age, be
*rewarded* for inbreeding? For example, the flatness of a Persian
cat's face really upsets me (


Totally, various purebred animals (cats and dogs) have so many
breed-associatted problems that instead of helping them overcome them,

those
crazy people keep emphasising and enlarging the issues for the sake of

money
and fame of a human! I do wonder sometimes if breeders do LOVE their
animals, or are they in it just for the money.

I left the show feeling quite bewildered and negative and I'm sure I
will never attend such an event again.


Nor me. I am all for equality in all respects for everyone, and this
competition thing (animals , people anything really) is just very

pathetic.
There is a place for everyone in this world.

Any breeders care to comment?


I'm not a breeder, God forbid, all of mine have been done as soon as they
walked into my life.

Dare say they will claim the cats enjoy the experience.


I can;t see how they would. Cats are territorial animals and feel very
uncomfortable to downright scared on any new territory. And if that new
territory contains millions of other strange cats, I can just imagine what
exactly poor cat is thinking and feeling, terrified and stressed!

So I fail to understand breed shows as well, and who exactly benefits from
them. However I do like to watch agility shows.

Gee


Personally I think if your going to get a pure breed cat the cat shows are
the best place to go and talk to breeders and learn about the breed of cat.
I think that the cats enjoy being spoiled. Most of the cat shows I've been
to the cats were fairly calm and most were sleepin. The breeders seem to
love their cats and most are very egar to share cat stories. At least
that's at the show's I've been to. They also have common housecat shows.
Though I've never been to one. It might be fun to go to one of those and
see the different personalities of the regular old house cats with no breed
to em at all. Lastly, I read somewhere that non-pure breed cats are more
likely to live longer than pure breed cats and are less likely to have
behavioural and heath problems. Still some days we wish we had cats who
liked water, or liked to sit on your lap. Personally I'd like a hairless
one hehe.

Tina


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Old April 19th 04, 10:38 PM
Kristine Kochanski
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:59:13 +0100, "Gee" wrote:


"Kristine Kochanski" wrote in message
.. .
Just wondering what the general consensus was on cat shows? I ask
because I attended one the other day and was quite upset at seeing
distressed, miserable cats kept in 2ft cages for hours, with hundreds
of strangers (me included!) milling around staring and cooing at them
- and men in white coats pulling them out and poking, stretching and
prodding them. This can't be good for a cat! Every cat was obviously
incredibly loved and pampered, I just find this act of 'showing'
rather uneasy.

Firstly, how can you judge a cat on appearance? Aren't they all
beautiful whether they have a certificate that says so or not?


I sooo agree with your comment. I just can;t see how one cat is more
beautiful than the other. If you love animals you love them all, or you
don't love animals. It's simple really.


That's my opinion anyway. Doesn't matter to me if they've got one ear
missing, spots, stripes, black or white, they're all beautiful. As
nature intended.

Secondly, should people, in this so-called civilised day and age, be
*rewarded* for inbreeding? For example, the flatness of a Persian
cat's face really upsets me (


Totally, various purebred animals (cats and dogs) have so many
breed-associatted problems that instead of helping them overcome them, those
crazy people keep emphasising and enlarging the issues for the sake of money
and fame of a human! I do wonder sometimes if breeders do LOVE their
animals, or are they in it just for the money.


Like Alison said, you get good ones and bad ones. I don't doubt any of
the breeders at the show I visited loved their cats, but I can't
understand how having a cat in a cage for hours (and the stress of
being driven there) equates to maximising the cat's wellbeing. Some
breeds obviously are more docile and handle the experience better, but
cats in general do not like being trapped in a strange environment and
stared at.

Dare say they will claim the cats enjoy the experience.


I can;t see how they would. Cats are territorial animals and feel very
uncomfortable to downright scared on any new territory. And if that new
territory contains millions of other strange cats, I can just imagine what
exactly poor cat is thinking and feeling, terrified and stressed!

So I fail to understand breed shows as well, and who exactly benefits from
them.


Thanks for your comments! I half expected to be flamed...

However I do like to watch agility shows.


I watched a programme on TV about police dogs the other week and was
in total awe of the job those dogs do. They obviously do get a kick
out of working and being rewarded. That's a totally different thing to
sticking them in a box and deciding whether they're 'better' than the
one down the next row.
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Old April 19th 04, 10:38 PM
Kristine Kochanski
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:59:13 +0100, "Gee" wrote:


"Kristine Kochanski" wrote in message
.. .
Just wondering what the general consensus was on cat shows? I ask
because I attended one the other day and was quite upset at seeing
distressed, miserable cats kept in 2ft cages for hours, with hundreds
of strangers (me included!) milling around staring and cooing at them
- and men in white coats pulling them out and poking, stretching and
prodding them. This can't be good for a cat! Every cat was obviously
incredibly loved and pampered, I just find this act of 'showing'
rather uneasy.

Firstly, how can you judge a cat on appearance? Aren't they all
beautiful whether they have a certificate that says so or not?


I sooo agree with your comment. I just can;t see how one cat is more
beautiful than the other. If you love animals you love them all, or you
don't love animals. It's simple really.


That's my opinion anyway. Doesn't matter to me if they've got one ear
missing, spots, stripes, black or white, they're all beautiful. As
nature intended.

Secondly, should people, in this so-called civilised day and age, be
*rewarded* for inbreeding? For example, the flatness of a Persian
cat's face really upsets me (


Totally, various purebred animals (cats and dogs) have so many
breed-associatted problems that instead of helping them overcome them, those
crazy people keep emphasising and enlarging the issues for the sake of money
and fame of a human! I do wonder sometimes if breeders do LOVE their
animals, or are they in it just for the money.


Like Alison said, you get good ones and bad ones. I don't doubt any of
the breeders at the show I visited loved their cats, but I can't
understand how having a cat in a cage for hours (and the stress of
being driven there) equates to maximising the cat's wellbeing. Some
breeds obviously are more docile and handle the experience better, but
cats in general do not like being trapped in a strange environment and
stared at.

Dare say they will claim the cats enjoy the experience.


I can;t see how they would. Cats are territorial animals and feel very
uncomfortable to downright scared on any new territory. And if that new
territory contains millions of other strange cats, I can just imagine what
exactly poor cat is thinking and feeling, terrified and stressed!

So I fail to understand breed shows as well, and who exactly benefits from
them.


Thanks for your comments! I half expected to be flamed...

However I do like to watch agility shows.


I watched a programme on TV about police dogs the other week and was
in total awe of the job those dogs do. They obviously do get a kick
out of working and being rewarded. That's a totally different thing to
sticking them in a box and deciding whether they're 'better' than the
one down the next row.
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Old April 19th 04, 10:44 PM
Kristine Kochanski
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On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:07:33 GMT, "Tina Laitinen"
wrote:


"Gee" wrote in message
...
I can;t see how they would. Cats are territorial animals and feel very
uncomfortable to downright scared on any new territory. And if that new
territory contains millions of other strange cats, I can just imagine what
exactly poor cat is thinking and feeling, terrified and stressed!

So I fail to understand breed shows as well, and who exactly benefits from
them. However I do like to watch agility shows.

Gee


Personally I think if your going to get a pure breed cat the cat shows are
the best place to go and talk to breeders and learn about the breed of cat.
I think that the cats enjoy being spoiled.


I'm sure they do and I'm sure they're completed spoiled at home, but
it's the cage-strange territory thing that makes me feel uneasy. Why
not bring pics of their cats instead?! ;o)

Personally I'd like a hairless one hehe.


lol! Get a sphynx ;o) I think you probably have to knit them little
jumpers in the winter though ;o)

 




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