Tonkinese MUST go (and has)

A couple of months ago, I asked for assistance in finding a home for a six
year old female Tonkinese cat that would periodically urinate in large
quantities on the carpet, pillows, mattresses, etc., even with a clean cat
box nearby and a clean bill of health. The damage was becoming intolerable
as was behavior that included one incident where the cat walked across the
bed with my wife and I in it, and left a two foot long swath of urine across
my legs. We very nearly lost a brand new $1500 mattress.

The decision was made to find another home for the cat, and while some here
sympathized with our plight, others could only direct their energy toward
trying to assail me for not continuing to house the cat, not sinking
limitless funds into finding out what was causing the problem, and one
person who felt I ought to just tolerate and live with the damage. The
former group was most helpful of course, and one of the recommendations
those people gave me was to talk to the breeder. I did that, and the
breeder has taken the cat. We were under the impression this was not
possible, but because of what was said here, we talked to the breeder again,
and found she would take the cat back. The cat is now back in the home it
was born and raised in. However, the breeder said that unless the problem
can be cured, she will have to make tough decisions regarding this cat's
future. I can completely understand that, given the hell the cat put us
through.

To those who truly tried to help me a couple of months ago, thank you. You
made the difference. I could have taken easier ways to deal with the
problem, but did not. Fact is, we had to hang on to the cat for weeks since
the breeder was out of town, so waited until she got back. To those who
tried to assail me on my actions with the cat, understand the rantings
achieve absolutely nothing and may only serve to anger the cat owner enough
to do the very kinds of thing you abhor. I could have become angered enough
to stop looking at this newsgroup, possibly missing some good suggestions,
and taking other actions with the cat that no one would want. I continued
to look at the newsgroup only because I recognized that most people were
trying to help and was able to ignore the extremist responses, mostly
because they were so silly and clearly the rantings of a lunatic fringe.

Again, to those that offered reasonable suggestions, thank you. The cat is
certainly in a better place thanks to you.

- Phil

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:00:10 GMT, "Phil" , wrote:

A couple of months ago, I asked for assistance in finding a home for a six
year old female Tonkinese cat that would periodically urinate in large
quantities on the carpet, pillows, mattresses, etc., even with a clean cat
box nearby and a clean bill of health. The damage was becoming intolerable
as was behavior that included one incident where the cat walked across the
bed with my wife and I in it, and left a two foot long swath of urine across
my legs. We very nearly lost a brand new $1500 mattress.

The decision was made to find another home for the cat, and while some here
sympathized with our plight, others could only direct their energy toward
trying to assail me for not continuing to house the cat, not sinking
limitless funds into finding out what was causing the problem, and one
person who felt I ought to just tolerate and live with the damage. The
former group was most helpful of course, and one of the recommendations
those people gave me was to talk to the breeder. I did that, and the
breeder has taken the cat. We were under the impression this was not
possible, but because of what was said here, we talked to the breeder again,
and found she would take the cat back. The cat is now back in the home it
was born and raised in. However, the breeder said that unless the problem
can be cured, she will have to make tough decisions regarding this cat's
future. I can completely understand that, given the hell the cat put us
through.

To those who truly tried to help me a couple of months ago, thank you. You
made the difference. I could have taken easier ways to deal with the
problem, but did not. Fact is, we had to hang on to the cat for weeks since
the breeder was out of town, so waited until she got back. To those who
tried to assail me on my actions with the cat, understand the rantings
achieve absolutely nothing and may only serve to anger the cat owner enough
to do the very kinds of thing you abhor. I could have become angered enough
to stop looking at this newsgroup, possibly missing some good suggestions,
and taking other actions with the cat that no one would want. I continued
to look at the newsgroup only because I recognized that most people were
trying to help and was able to ignore the extremist responses, mostly
because they were so silly and clearly the rantings of a lunatic fringe.

Again, to those that offered reasonable suggestions, thank you. The cat is
certainly in a better place thanks to you.

- Phil


You did the right thing. I congratulate you on being responsible and
making sure the cat was taken care of by someone better equipped to
handle the situation.

I've been lurking on this group for some time and I am sorry that
reasonable people like you have to bear the excoriation of irrational
individuals who do not realize the responsibilities of pet ownership
(while great) do not and should not extend to prioritizing the
animal's care over the owner's happiness and well being.

Shame on them for insisting on a situation that could have negative
effects on other people's lives as well as the lives of the cats they
supposedly care so much about.

Cosmola

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:00:10 GMT, "Phil" , wrote:

A couple of months ago, I asked for assistance in finding a home for a six
year old female Tonkinese cat that would periodically urinate in large
quantities on the carpet, pillows, mattresses, etc., even with a clean cat
box nearby and a clean bill of health. The damage was becoming intolerable
as was behavior that included one incident where the cat walked across the
bed with my wife and I in it, and left a two foot long swath of urine across
my legs. We very nearly lost a brand new $1500 mattress.

The decision was made to find another home for the cat, and while some here
sympathized with our plight, others could only direct their energy toward
trying to assail me for not continuing to house the cat, not sinking
limitless funds into finding out what was causing the problem, and one
person who felt I ought to just tolerate and live with the damage. The
former group was most helpful of course, and one of the recommendations
those people gave me was to talk to the breeder. I did that, and the
breeder has taken the cat. We were under the impression this was not
possible, but because of what was said here, we talked to the breeder again,
and found she would take the cat back. The cat is now back in the home it
was born and raised in. However, the breeder said that unless the problem
can be cured, she will have to make tough decisions regarding this cat's
future. I can completely understand that, given the hell the cat put us
through.

To those who truly tried to help me a couple of months ago, thank you. You
made the difference. I could have taken easier ways to deal with the
problem, but did not. Fact is, we had to hang on to the cat for weeks since
the breeder was out of town, so waited until she got back. To those who
tried to assail me on my actions with the cat, understand the rantings
achieve absolutely nothing and may only serve to anger the cat owner enough
to do the very kinds of thing you abhor. I could have become angered enough
to stop looking at this newsgroup, possibly missing some good suggestions,
and taking other actions with the cat that no one would want. I continued
to look at the newsgroup only because I recognized that most people were
trying to help and was able to ignore the extremist responses, mostly
because they were so silly and clearly the rantings of a lunatic fringe.

Again, to those that offered reasonable suggestions, thank you. The cat is
certainly in a better place thanks to you.

- Phil


You did the right thing. I congratulate you on being responsible and
making sure the cat was taken care of by someone better equipped to
handle the situation.

I've been lurking on this group for some time and I am sorry that
reasonable people like you have to bear the excoriation of irrational
individuals who do not realize the responsibilities of pet ownership
(while great) do not and should not extend to prioritizing the
animal's care over the owner's happiness and well being.

Shame on them for insisting on a situation that could have negative
effects on other people's lives as well as the lives of the cats they
supposedly care so much about.

Cosmola

I can see why some might be mad. It seems a lot of humans have taken to
dumping a cat off in a shelter or having them re-homed because they care
more about objects than they do the animal.

"Cosmola" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:00:10 GMT, "Phil" , wrote:

A couple of months ago, I asked for assistance in finding a home for a
six
year old female Tonkinese cat that would periodically urinate in large
quantities on the carpet, pillows, mattresses, etc., even with a clean
cat
box nearby and a clean bill of health. The damage was becoming
intolerable
as was behavior that included one incident where the cat walked across
the
bed with my wife and I in it, and left a two foot long swath of urine
across
my legs. We very nearly lost a brand new $1500 mattress.

The decision was made to find another home for the cat, and while some
here
sympathized with our plight, others could only direct their energy toward
trying to assail me for not continuing to house the cat, not sinking
limitless funds into finding out what was causing the problem, and one
person who felt I ought to just tolerate and live with the damage. The
former group was most helpful of course, and one of the recommendations
those people gave me was to talk to the breeder. I did that, and the
breeder has taken the cat. We were under the impression this was not
possible, but because of what was said here, we talked to the breeder
again,
and found she would take the cat back. The cat is now back in the home
it
was born and raised in. However, the breeder said that unless the
problem
can be cured, she will have to make tough decisions regarding this cat's
future. I can completely understand that, given the hell the cat put us
through.

To those who truly tried to help me a couple of months ago, thank you.
You
made the difference. I could have taken easier ways to deal with the
problem, but did not. Fact is, we had to hang on to the cat for weeks
since
the breeder was out of town, so waited until she got back. To those who
tried to assail me on my actions with the cat, understand the rantings
achieve absolutely nothing and may only serve to anger the cat owner
enough
to do the very kinds of thing you abhor. I could have become angered
enough
to stop looking at this newsgroup, possibly missing some good
suggestions,
and taking other actions with the cat that no one would want. I
continued
to look at the newsgroup only because I recognized that most people were
trying to help and was able to ignore the extremist responses, mostly
because they were so silly and clearly the rantings of a lunatic fringe.

Again, to those that offered reasonable suggestions, thank you. The cat
is
certainly in a better place thanks to you.

- Phil


You did the right thing. I congratulate you on being responsible and
making sure the cat was taken care of by someone better equipped to
handle the situation.

I've been lurking on this group for some time and I am sorry that
reasonable people like you have to bear the excoriation of irrational
individuals who do not realize the responsibilities of pet ownership
(while great) do not and should not extend to prioritizing the
animal's care over the owner's happiness and well being.

Shame on them for insisting on a situation that could have negative
effects on other people's lives as well as the lives of the cats they
supposedly care so much about.

Cosmola

I can see why some might be mad. It seems a lot of humans have taken to
dumping a cat off in a shelter or having them re-homed because they care
more about objects than they do the animal.

"Cosmola" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:00:10 GMT, "Phil" , wrote:

A couple of months ago, I asked for assistance in finding a home for a
six
year old female Tonkinese cat that would periodically urinate in large
quantities on the carpet, pillows, mattresses, etc., even with a clean
cat
box nearby and a clean bill of health. The damage was becoming
intolerable
as was behavior that included one incident where the cat walked across
the
bed with my wife and I in it, and left a two foot long swath of urine
across
my legs. We very nearly lost a brand new $1500 mattress.

The decision was made to find another home for the cat, and while some
here
sympathized with our plight, others could only direct their energy toward
trying to assail me for not continuing to house the cat, not sinking
limitless funds into finding out what was causing the problem, and one
person who felt I ought to just tolerate and live with the damage. The
former group was most helpful of course, and one of the recommendations
those people gave me was to talk to the breeder. I did that, and the
breeder has taken the cat. We were under the impression this was not
possible, but because of what was said here, we talked to the breeder
again,
and found she would take the cat back. The cat is now back in the home
it
was born and raised in. However, the breeder said that unless the
problem
can be cured, she will have to make tough decisions regarding this cat's
future. I can completely understand that, given the hell the cat put us
through.

To those who truly tried to help me a couple of months ago, thank you.
You
made the difference. I could have taken easier ways to deal with the
problem, but did not. Fact is, we had to hang on to the cat for weeks
since
the breeder was out of town, so waited until she got back. To those who
tried to assail me on my actions with the cat, understand the rantings
achieve absolutely nothing and may only serve to anger the cat owner
enough
to do the very kinds of thing you abhor. I could have become angered
enough
to stop looking at this newsgroup, possibly missing some good
suggestions,
and taking other actions with the cat that no one would want. I
continued
to look at the newsgroup only because I recognized that most people were
trying to help and was able to ignore the extremist responses, mostly
because they were so silly and clearly the rantings of a lunatic fringe.

Again, to those that offered reasonable suggestions, thank you. The cat
is
certainly in a better place thanks to you.

- Phil


You did the right thing. I congratulate you on being responsible and
making sure the cat was taken care of by someone better equipped to
handle the situation.

I've been lurking on this group for some time and I am sorry that
reasonable people like you have to bear the excoriation of irrational
individuals who do not realize the responsibilities of pet ownership
(while great) do not and should not extend to prioritizing the
animal's care over the owner's happiness and well being.

Shame on them for insisting on a situation that could have negative
effects on other people's lives as well as the lives of the cats they
supposedly care so much about.

Cosmola

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:51:13 -0700, "Cat Protector"
, wrote:

I can see why some might be mad. It seems a lot of humans have taken to
dumping a cat off in a shelter or having them re-homed because they care
more about objects than they do the animal.

This doesn't seem to be the situation at all here. The cat has a real
problem and the owners were not equipped to handle it. It was making
everyone involved miserable.

I don't see it any differently than what they say about children
living with very unhappy parents. You are better to divorce and have
someone move out thant try to stay together. Everyone including the
children are better off.

The cat is probably happier living with a happy family.

Cosmola



"Cosmola" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:00:10 GMT, "Phil" , wrote:

A couple of months ago, I asked for assistance in finding a home for a
six
year old female Tonkinese cat that would periodically urinate in large
quantities on the carpet, pillows, mattresses, etc., even with a clean
cat
box nearby and a clean bill of health. The damage was becoming
intolerable
as was behavior that included one incident where the cat walked across
the
bed with my wife and I in it, and left a two foot long swath of urine
across
my legs. We very nearly lost a brand new $1500 mattress.

The decision was made to find another home for the cat, and while some
here
sympathized with our plight, others could only direct their energy toward
trying to assail me for not continuing to house the cat, not sinking
limitless funds into finding out what was causing the problem, and one
person who felt I ought to just tolerate and live with the damage. The
former group was most helpful of course, and one of the recommendations
those people gave me was to talk to the breeder. I did that, and the
breeder has taken the cat. We were under the impression this was not
possible, but because of what was said here, we talked to the breeder
again,
and found she would take the cat back. The cat is now back in the home
it
was born and raised in. However, the breeder said that unless the
problem
can be cured, she will have to make tough decisions regarding this cat's
future. I can completely understand that, given the hell the cat put us
through.

To those who truly tried to help me a couple of months ago, thank you.
You
made the difference. I could have taken easier ways to deal with the
problem, but did not. Fact is, we had to hang on to the cat for weeks
since
the breeder was out of town, so waited until she got back. To those who
tried to assail me on my actions with the cat, understand the rantings
achieve absolutely nothing and may only serve to anger the cat owner
enough
to do the very kinds of thing you abhor. I could have become angered
enough
to stop looking at this newsgroup, possibly missing some good
suggestions,
and taking other actions with the cat that no one would want. I
continued
to look at the newsgroup only because I recognized that most people were
trying to help and was able to ignore the extremist responses, mostly
because they were so silly and clearly the rantings of a lunatic fringe.

Again, to those that offered reasonable suggestions, thank you. The cat
is
certainly in a better place thanks to you.

- Phil


You did the right thing. I congratulate you on being responsible and
making sure the cat was taken care of by someone better equipped to
handle the situation.

I've been lurking on this group for some time and I am sorry that
reasonable people like you have to bear the excoriation of irrational
individuals who do not realize the responsibilities of pet ownership
(while great) do not and should not extend to prioritizing the
animal's care over the owner's happiness and well being.

Shame on them for insisting on a situation that could have negative
effects on other people's lives as well as the lives of the cats they
supposedly care so much about.

Cosmola

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:51:13 -0700, "Cat Protector"
, wrote:

I can see why some might be mad. It seems a lot of humans have taken to
dumping a cat off in a shelter or having them re-homed because they care
more about objects than they do the animal.

This doesn't seem to be the situation at all here. The cat has a real
problem and the owners were not equipped to handle it. It was making
everyone involved miserable.

I don't see it any differently than what they say about children
living with very unhappy parents. You are better to divorce and have
someone move out thant try to stay together. Everyone including the
children are better off.

The cat is probably happier living with a happy family.

Cosmola



"Cosmola" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 19:00:10 GMT, "Phil" , wrote:

A couple of months ago, I asked for assistance in finding a home for a
six
year old female Tonkinese cat that would periodically urinate in large
quantities on the carpet, pillows, mattresses, etc., even with a clean
cat
box nearby and a clean bill of health. The damage was becoming
intolerable
as was behavior that included one incident where the cat walked across
the
bed with my wife and I in it, and left a two foot long swath of urine
across
my legs. We very nearly lost a brand new $1500 mattress.

The decision was made to find another home for the cat, and while some
here
sympathized with our plight, others could only direct their energy toward
trying to assail me for not continuing to house the cat, not sinking
limitless funds into finding out what was causing the problem, and one
person who felt I ought to just tolerate and live with the damage. The
former group was most helpful of course, and one of the recommendations
those people gave me was to talk to the breeder. I did that, and the
breeder has taken the cat. We were under the impression this was not
possible, but because of what was said here, we talked to the breeder
again,
and found she would take the cat back. The cat is now back in the home
it
was born and raised in. However, the breeder said that unless the
problem
can be cured, she will have to make tough decisions regarding this cat's
future. I can completely understand that, given the hell the cat put us
through.

To those who truly tried to help me a couple of months ago, thank you.
You
made the difference. I could have taken easier ways to deal with the
problem, but did not. Fact is, we had to hang on to the cat for weeks
since
the breeder was out of town, so waited until she got back. To those who
tried to assail me on my actions with the cat, understand the rantings
achieve absolutely nothing and may only serve to anger the cat owner
enough
to do the very kinds of thing you abhor. I could have become angered
enough
to stop looking at this newsgroup, possibly missing some good
suggestions,
and taking other actions with the cat that no one would want. I
continued
to look at the newsgroup only because I recognized that most people were
trying to help and was able to ignore the extremist responses, mostly
because they were so silly and clearly the rantings of a lunatic fringe.

Again, to those that offered reasonable suggestions, thank you. The cat
is
certainly in a better place thanks to you.

- Phil


You did the right thing. I congratulate you on being responsible and
making sure the cat was taken care of by someone better equipped to
handle the situation.

I've been lurking on this group for some time and I am sorry that
reasonable people like you have to bear the excoriation of irrational
individuals who do not realize the responsibilities of pet ownership
(while great) do not and should not extend to prioritizing the
animal's care over the owner's happiness and well being.

Shame on them for insisting on a situation that could have negative
effects on other people's lives as well as the lives of the cats they
supposedly care so much about.

Cosmola

"Cosmola" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:51:13 -0700, "Cat Protector"
, wrote:

I can see why some might be mad. It seems a lot of humans have taken to
dumping a cat off in a shelter or having them re-homed because they care
more about objects than they do the animal.

This doesn't seem to be the situation at all here. The cat has a real
problem and the owners were not equipped to handle it. It was making
everyone involved miserable.

I don't see it any differently than what they say about children
living with very unhappy parents. You are better to divorce and have
someone move out thant try to stay together. Everyone including the
children are better off.

The cat is probably happier living with a happy family.

Cosmola




If I recall the story correctly the breeder knew the cat had a problem with
urinating out of the box before adopting it out to the OP. I don't recall it
ever being established why the cat was doing this but I remember some
speculation that perhaps the cat had been bred to many times and had bladder
problems. If so I'm not sure weather it's something that can be corrected or
not. I also seem to recall that the OP had already tried the usual methods
of dealing with a behavioral problem to no avail. I can't blame the OP for
returning the cat to the breeder. I know I wouldn't want to live with a cat
who was peeing all over the place with no solution in sight. IMO the breeder
was unethical adopting out this cat with an existing problem of this nature.

W

"Cosmola" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:51:13 -0700, "Cat Protector"
, wrote:

I can see why some might be mad. It seems a lot of humans have taken to
dumping a cat off in a shelter or having them re-homed because they care
more about objects than they do the animal.

This doesn't seem to be the situation at all here. The cat has a real
problem and the owners were not equipped to handle it. It was making
everyone involved miserable.

I don't see it any differently than what they say about children
living with very unhappy parents. You are better to divorce and have
someone move out thant try to stay together. Everyone including the
children are better off.

The cat is probably happier living with a happy family.

Cosmola




If I recall the story correctly the breeder knew the cat had a problem with
urinating out of the box before adopting it out to the OP. I don't recall it
ever being established why the cat was doing this but I remember some
speculation that perhaps the cat had been bred to many times and had bladder
problems. If so I'm not sure weather it's something that can be corrected or
not. I also seem to recall that the OP had already tried the usual methods
of dealing with a behavioral problem to no avail. I can't blame the OP for
returning the cat to the breeder. I know I wouldn't want to live with a cat
who was peeing all over the place with no solution in sight. IMO the breeder
was unethical adopting out this cat with an existing problem of this nature.

W