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More emphasis on wet food low in carbos
Just thought I'd share this newsletter article with you
http://www.mercola.com/2005/nov/12/c...d_wet_food.htm Y'know, there's no rule that says you can't moisten your kitty's dry food with filtered water either. But the authors do make a good point about the carbos in dry cat foods. Have you ever compared the appearance and the ingredients lists of Eukaneuba and ProPlan dried foods? The former is noticably fatty looking, and the latter looks like cereal. Carnivores handle fats much better than humans do. And I see tht Eukaneuba Funny. That Dr. Mercola has been pushing his own people Diet for Metabolic Type for a number of years. I'll bet it must've occurred to him that cats have a metabolism that requires a low carbo Atkins type diet ;-) |
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More emphasis on wet food low in carbos
Knack wrote: Just thought I'd share this newsletter article with you http://www.mercola.com/2005/nov/12/c...d_wet_food.htm Y'know, there's no rule that says you can't moisten your kitty's dry food with filtered water either. But the authors do make a good point about the carbos in dry cat foods. Have you ever compared the appearance and the ingredients lists of Eukaneuba and ProPlan dried foods? The former is noticably fatty looking, and the latter looks like cereal. Carnivores handle fats much better than humans do. And I see tht Eukaneuba Funny. That Dr. Mercola has been pushing his own people Diet for Metabolic Type for a number of years. I'll bet it must've occurred to him that cats have a metabolism that requires a low carbo Atkins type diet ;-) This is a most vexing problem. I thought Ms. Kitty had dry fur. So I started with a little wet food, half and half in kcals per day. I thought her fur now feels like fur, not dry, if you know what I mean. Slight bit of oil or just more natural when I pet her. She loves dry food, all the time, almost addicted. But I try to feed her only the very best of dry food, like Science Diet, which seems well researched. Maybe not the best natural ingredients but well made and pH balanced and I know what's in it down to the levels of information that seems far better than many other brands. I have tried Royal Canin and Purina One, and they seem fine. Purina One is higher in kcals than I would like, even for its Weight Management series. I have tried adding water, it's just a mess and she does not like it. I can just leave out wet food, and she will eat it even if that is not her favorite type. I tried low phosphorus Fancy Feast and that's okay, lower in calories than other brands, even SD. I guess wet food with dental approved treats might be best. I think that wet food appears to satisfy her more and the dry food just does not. I am tempted to put out a big amount of dry food, weigh it, and say, look this is your food for three days, now let's see what you do. I have been giving it out just a bit at a time, but it seems I am always doing that. This is not as simple as it could be because I wonder what is best. |
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wrote I tried low phosphorus Fancy Feast and that's okay, lower in calories than other brands, even SD. I didn't realize this. Perhaps this is partly why my cat has lost weight on it. I guess wet food with dental approved treats might be best. I think that wet food appears to satisfy her more and the dry food just does not. It is true with my cats. They look forward to meals with an eagerness that was not there before. |
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cybercat wrote: wrote I tried low phosphorus Fancy Feast and that's okay, lower in calories than other brands, even SD. I didn't realize this. Perhaps this is partly why my cat has lost weight on it. I guess wet food with dental approved treats might be best. I think that wet food appears to satisfy her more and the dry food just does not. It is true with my cats. They look forward to meals with an eagerness that was not there before. Mine does not really look forward to the canned foods as much as the dry foods but she's different in this regard. Probably because she was fed dry SD as a feral. But I hear other cats really look forward to the canned food. However, she is eating more of the canned because I suspect she is beginning to realize it might be better. And if she does not eat it, and lets it stay, it's sometimes easier for me. Because there is food out, just not to her royal taste buds, I can walk by the 'frig without being accosted. |
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Knack wrote: Just thought I'd share this newsletter article with you Unfortunately most of the claims are simply false or are composed of opinions alone not supported by the science. There is increasing evidence, published in peer-reviewed veterinary journals, that many of the health problems seen in cats are the result of diets inappropriate for a feline. Dry, grain-based foods fed to a meat eater, over time, result in both chronic and life- threatening diseases, like these: flat out false - there is no published clinical trials to support this at all. The only peer reviewed published data is an HYPOTHESIS presented by Zoran and Greco - neither of which have any clinical trials to support the claims. Kidney disease: Kidney disease is the most common cause of death for cats. The kidneys require an abundant supply of water to do their job. Without water to process the byproducts of the digestion process, the kidneys are overloaded, become damaged over time and unable to do their job. This certainly has to be the most eggregious falsshood of all. There is no data whatsoever to support this claim. Further the move toward higher protein in low carb diets almost always increases the phosphorus levels of the foods. A good example is Purina Pro Plan Ocean Fish Crab Aspic - 0 carbs all right - but a whopping 2+% phosphorus. The ONLY proven advantage of canned foods is to drive the excretion of water through the urine instead of the feces. The current carbophobics promoting this have yet to answer the critical question. What would happen if we suddenly switched over the general population of cats from a low phos carbohydrate diet to a high phos low carb diet? Renal failure is the #2 killer of cats in the US and there is data to show increasing prevalence of renal failure in cats. Driving increased levels of phosphorus into the diet - which is the consequence of increasing protein would affect hundreds of thousands of cats that currently have sub clinical renal failure. The increase of protein in the diet has other contraindications as well. I think it wise to wait for some clinical studies that provide some proof, before you leap off the cliff for an unproven hypothesis. |
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Steve Crane wrote: Knack wrote: Just thought I'd share this newsletter article with you Unfortunately most of the claims are simply false or are composed of opinions alone not supported by the science. There is increasing evidence, published in peer-reviewed veterinary journals, that many of the health problems seen in cats are the result of diets inappropriate for a feline. Dry, grain-based foods fed to a meat eater, over time, result in both chronic and life- threatening diseases, like these: flat out false - there is no published clinical trials to support this at all. The only peer reviewed published data is an HYPOTHESIS presented by Zoran and Greco - neither of which have any clinical trials to support the claims. Nope, what you say above is flat out false - you're bluffing here and I bet you did not do a single Medline search, fess up, did you? I went to a lot of trouble to get a complete peer review article from Europe that showed 0% crystals in the urine of felines fed an all wet food diet. Do a search on Medline for buzz words like felines and canned or wet food and crystals. Now this was a trial with all canned food, half and half, and all dry food. Dry food had the highest numbers of crystals in the urine. They also took into account the sampling variations of collecting and storage for crystals in the urine. The Medline will bring up the abstract but you have to contact the people in Europe for the full article. I think they were based in UK. Now this was a full-bore study. Was it also a clinical study in that they tracked to see if the animals developed urinary disease? I think this study was only for determining that crystals are associated with wet food and dry food. If there are no crystals, then there cannot be a problem with crystals in the urine. Do you see the logic to this? It's a good start this kind of study. Kidney disease: Kidney disease is the most common cause of death for cats. The kidneys require an abundant supply of water to do their job. Without water to process the byproducts of the digestion process, the kidneys are overloaded, become damaged over time and unable to do their job. This certainly has to be the most eggregious falsshood of all. There is no data whatsoever to support this claim. Further the move toward higher protein in low carb diets almost always increases the phosphorus levels of the foods. A good example is Purina Pro Plan Ocean Fish Crab Aspic - 0 carbs all right - but a whopping 2+% phosphorus. There are levels of protein to be observed. Water is important. Again, you are bluffing here. Do a Medline search and stop blowing smoke. Granted it's not simple. Also pH is important here. So it's a combo of phosphorus, protein and pH just to start out with. And calcium must also be present in reasonable amounts to keep the phosphorus doing its job appropriately. The ONLY proven advantage of canned foods is to drive the excretion of water through the urine instead of the feces. The current carbophobics promoting this have yet to answer the critical question. What would happen if we suddenly switched over the general population of cats from a low phos carbohydrate diet to a high phos low carb diet? Renal failure is the #2 killer of cats in the US and there is data to show increasing prevalence of renal failure in cats. Driving increased levels of phosphorus into the diet - which is the consequence of increasing protein would affect hundreds of thousands of cats that currently have sub clinical renal failure. The increase of protein in the diet has other contraindications as well. I think it wise to wait for some clinical studies that provide some proof, before you leap off the cliff for an unproven hypothesis. The study I mentioned shows that canned food can be a critical component. If you cannot search Medline, get back here and I'll look in my archives |
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Steve Crane wrote: I would gather from some of the nonsense I've read that if cats had male pattern baldness and erectile dysfucntion that carbophobics would be claiming that advantage as well. Steve, you seem to have a real problem with carbs, or rather people who don't like to make the main part of a carnivore's diet carbs. Is it because Hill's Science Diet, the company that you work for, uses so much corn in their dry foods? Every time someone brings up a wet diet, you start up with this "carbophobic" nonsense. Me thinks you do protest too much. |
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