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Freezing raw meats to kill parasites
I've begun feeding my cats the following raw people foods: egg yolks,
chicken, beef, and beef livers. I'll probably give them various chicken organ meats in the future. Is freezing an effective way to kill parasites on all of these raw foods? Note: For calcium the kitties are getting canned sardines, canned mackerel, and canned pink salmon; all of which contain soft hydrated bones. They also get a small amount of olive oil, nutritional yeast, and tomato juice in their diet. Is this a nutritionally complete and balanced diet, or should I supplement with anything? Does anyone know a quick and easy way to separate the yolks from the whites of eggs? |
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Freezing raw meats to kill parasites
"Knack" wrote in message news I've begun feeding my cats the following raw people foods: egg yolks, chicken, beef, and beef livers. I'll probably give them various chicken organ meats in the future. Before you go any farther go to this site and read it completely http://www.maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm Is freezing an effective way to kill parasites on all of these raw foods? NO ONLY WAY IS TO COMPLETELY COOK THE FOOD TO PROPER TEMPERATURE Germs can lay dorminate for years in a frozen envirnment they have unfrozen microbodies from the stomachs of wolly mammoths that were frozen during the last ice age. Note: For calcium the kitties are getting canned sardines, canned mackerel, and canned pink salmon; all of which contain soft hydrated bones. They also get a small amount of olive oil, nutritional yeast, and tomato juice in their diet. Is this a nutritionally complete and balanced diet, or should I supplement with anything? From Phil's site Taurine Cats also require a dietary source of the B-amino acid taurine which is present only in animal tissues. Cats cannot synthesize enough taurine from dietary precursors to meet obligate intestinal loss. The cat uses only taurine for bile salt synthesis (in comparison to dogs, that can substitute glycine), causing an ongoing obligate loss of taurine with excreted bile salts. Most animals produce both glycine and taurine conjugates of cholesterol for secretion as bile acids, but cats can only use taurine. Intestinal reabsorption of bile acids is not 100 percent efficient, so some taurine is continually lost in the feces. Although not incorporated into protein, taurine is required for normal cardiovascular (taurine deficiency has been proved to cause dilated cardiomyopathy in cats), reproductive, and visual function (taurine deficiency has also been proved to cause retinal degeneration). AAFCO Nutrient Profiles for Cats require that canned cat food contain a minimum of 2000 mg of taurine/kg diet and that foods contain a minimum of 1000 mg/kg. The nutritional value of protein depends on its amino acid composition as well as on the efficiencies of its digestion, absorption, and utilization. The use of amino acids for protein synthesis depends on the availability to cells of all amino acids in the right proportion and at the right time. The diet must provide these amino acids; otherwise, the body mobilizes them from protein in its tissues. Plants can make all the amino acids they require by synthesizing them from simple nitrogenous compounds such as ammonia and nitrates. Cats require most of their dietary nitrogen to be as specific amino acids. http://www.fanciers.com/cat-faqs/misc.shtml Preparing Food for your Cat The following recipes are extracted from D.S. Kronfeld, 1986. Therapeutic diets for dogs and cats including a simple system of recipes. Tijdschrift voor diergeneeskunde 111 (suppl. 1) 37s-41s. Basic recipe for cat maintenance diet a.. 70 g dry white rice (1/3 c) b.. 140 g 80% lean hamburger (2/3 c) c.. 30g beef liver (1/8 c) d.. 11 g bone meal (1 tbsp) e.. 5 g corn oil (2 tsp) f.. 2 g iodized salt (1/2 tsp) Combine rice, 2/3 c water, bone meal, salt, and corn oil. Simmer about 20 min. Add meat and beef liver; simmer for 10 minutes. Cool before serving. Can be frozen or refrigerated for several days. Yield: 800 kcal metabolizable energy; 30% protein, %ME. (1.3% calcium, 1.1% phosphorus, 0.5% potassium, 0.45% sodium, 0.15% magnesium, calculated on a dry matter basis) Cats at risk of FUS Replace bone meal with 3 g (2 tsp) calcium carbonate or 1/2 tsp ground limestone (NOT dolomite, which is rich in Mg). This lowers calcium from 1.3% to 0.7%, phosphorus from 1.1 to 0.3%, magnesium from 0.15% to 0.08%. Calcium carbonate or limestone does not blend well; you may prefer to give this in pill or capsule form. Salt can be increased to 1 tsp to promote water intake, and 1/4 to 1/2 tsp ammonium chloride can be added as a urinary acidifier. Kidney disease patients Substitute 40-50% fat hamburger (50-60% lean) for regular hamburger to lower protein content to 13%. For a protein content of 11%, substitute 1 medium-large egg (55g) and 1 Tbsp chicken fat (15 g) for meat. Animals in renal failure are anorexic, and maintaining adequate calorie intake may be one of the most important things in their therapy. Heart failure Without salt, the "regular recipe" has 0.05% sodium (compares to 0.03% in special canned "heart diets" and 0.05% in the dry form). These levels are suitable for animals in end-stage heart failure; for 1st and 2nd stage chronic heart failure, 0.25% sodium is recommended (use 1/4 tsp salt in the basic recipe instead of 1/2 tsp). Or use 1/2 tsp "lite salt" (50-50 sodium chloride and potassium chloride) to reduce sodium to 0.25% and raise potassium from 0.5% to 0.7%. This may be desirable if a potassium-robbing diuretic is being used, and especially if digitalis is also prescribed, since digitalis is more toxic in animals low in potassium. If salt is entirely left out of the diet, 1/4 tsp potassium chloride may be included to keep the animal from becoming potassium deficient. Low fat diet For non-specific gastrointestinal problems, malabsorption, osmotic diarrhea, pancreatitis, hepatic lipidosis, lymphangiectasis, and portocaval shunts. To reduce fat levels, substitute one of the following for the 70 g (2.5 oz)of 80% lean hamburger: 100 g (3.5 oz) 90% lean meat 10% fat 120 g (4.3 oz) egg 12% fat 180 g (6.3 oz) heart 4% fat 230 g (8.2 oz) cottage cheese 1% fat 400 g (14.4 oz) egg white, COOKED 0% fat Substitute 1 tsp safflower oil for 2 tsp corn oil. In extreme cases, reduce safflower oil to 1/2 tsp., or substitute MCT (medium chain triglyceride) Low fat, high fiber diet For geriatric animals, chronic enteritis or pancreatitis. a.. 1/2 c dry white rice b.. 1/3 c 90% lean hamburger c.. 1/3 c wheat bran d.. 2 Tbsp beef liver e.. 1 Tbsp bone meal f.. 2 tsp corn oil g.. 1/2 tsp iodized salt (this diet has only 700 calories, compared to 800 for the basal diet). If the bran is too irritating to the intestines, replace all or part of the bran with alpha cellulose (e.g. Solka Floc, from Brown & Co, Berlin, New Hampshire, USA). This will greatly decrease the available calories also. Reducing diet a.. 1/3 c dry white rice b.. 1/3 c 90% lean hamburger c.. 2/3 c wheat bran d.. 2 Tbsp beef liver e.. 1 Tbsp bone meal f.. 2 tsp corn oil g.. 1/2 tsp iodized salt This diet has only 600 cal compared to 800 calories of the basal diet. Hypoallergenic diet Substitute hamburger, ground mutton or lamb, pork, turkey, chicken, or fish for the meat that had been normally consumed. Substitute chicken or turkey liver for beef liver. Low purine diet Substitute a comprehensive trace mineral and vitamin tablet that contains vitamin B-12 for liver in base diet. Replace meat with 1 or 2 eggs blended in 1/4 to 1/2 c cows milk. Carrots or tomatoes can be blended in. This may reduce protein content, but increase acceptance. Do not add other vegetables. Kay's comments: I tried the recipes above on my 6 cats (not picky eaters!) They eagerly accepted the basic diet, but were not especially fond of the reducing diet... adding a tsp of instant minced onion seemed to improve the acceptance, as did a little catnip mixed in. Most cats should do well with the basic diet. If you make major changes (such as the low fat or reducing versions), you may also want to make up some basic diet and gradually shift the cat from basic to special diet. http://www.fanciers.com/commpages.html for food sites Does anyone know a quick and easy way to separate the yolks from the whites of eggs? spend 20 cents more at the grocery store and buy egg whites instead of regular eggs |
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NMR wrote: .. that's pretty handy info with the pet food raw diet recipes just to clear it up for some folk, maybe you can tell the difference between say a raw rat and a raw cow you claim has parasites the rat does not? just so we know |
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"NMR" wrote in message ... "Knack" wrote in message news Does anyone know a quick and easy way to separate the yolks from the whites of eggs? spend 20 cents more at the grocery store and buy egg whites instead of regular eggs A big thanks for the URLs to the articles. Much of the info I had already known. However, I was previously unaware of the dangers of too much PU fats, which lead to a vitamin E deficiency. I also used to think that the extra fatty Eukaneuba dry food was a far healhier choice than the other dry catfoods, which have far more carbos. But the Max's House® article alerted me to the possibility that the fats in dry catfoods may be excessively rancid by the time the last amount in the bag is consumed. I had previously known that PU fats are far less stable than saturated fats; thus they oxidize (become rancid) much more readily, much sooner. Anyone feeding their cat a dry food containing salmon should be particularly wary, because salmon contains a fat profile high in PU fats. Actually I want to feed my cats raw egg *yolks* because they're quite nutrious. The high omega-3 eggs I buy have yolks with better profile of fats than than does wild salmon (higher ratio of omega-3 PU fats to other PU fats). The yolks also contain the vitamins B12, riboflavin, and folate. Plus the yolks contain lecithin. The cooking of yolks begins the oxidation of omega-3 fats. Egg whites can be nuked separately though. |
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Freezing raw meats to kill parasites
Knack wrote: I've begun feeding my cats the following raw people foods: egg yolks, chicken, beef, and beef livers. I'll probably give them various chicken organ meats in the future. Is freezing an effective way to kill parasites on all of these raw foods? Note: For calcium the kitties are getting canned sardines, canned mackerel, and canned pink salmon; all of which contain soft hydrated bones. They also get a small amount of olive oil, nutritional yeast, and tomato juice in their diet. Is this a nutritionally complete and balanced diet, or should I supplement with anything? What recipe are you following? This is not a well-balanced diet, IMO. I highly recommend doing some research into raw diets for cats. Also, you might want to join some of the feeding lists. I co-moderate on one, if you're interested please feel free to email me. As to your question on separating the egg yolks - break the egg in half, pouring it back and forth between the two sides of the shell, while letting the egg whites drip into the sink. Not really hard, just takes a little practice Lauren |
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NMR wrote: Hey I was thinking whats' the difference between a sewer rat and fresh meat from the market in fact the rat is more of a host for nasty germs than the cold beef is im not trying to argue about it; my common sense tells me any raw meat is fine for a cat to eat, you have to consider if raw meat was appealing to the cat, then he can handle it even the bitter is sweet to the hungry don't you remember the cannibals on gilligans island? there you go |
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Freezing raw meats to kill parasites
A rat produces antibodies. Raw meat is a banquet for germs.
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"PawsForThought" wrote in message oups.com... Knack wrote: I've begun feeding my cats the following raw people foods: egg yolks, chicken, beef, and beef livers. I'll probably give them various chicken organ meats in the future. Is freezing an effective way to kill parasites on all of these raw foods? Note: For calcium the kitties are getting canned sardines, canned mackerel, and canned pink salmon; all of which contain soft hydrated bones. They also get a small amount of olive oil, nutritional yeast, and tomato juice in their diet. Is this a nutritionally complete and balanced diet, or should I supplement with anything? What recipe are you following? This is not a well-balanced diet, IMO. I highly recommend doing some research into raw diets for cats. Also, you might want to join some of the feeding lists. I co-moderate on one, if you're interested please feel free to email me. As to your question on separating the egg yolks - break the egg in half, pouring it back and forth between the two sides of the shell, while letting the egg whites drip into the sink. Not really hard, just takes a little practice Lauren Hi Lauren. Not really following any particular diet. Just simply putting together some ideas that I've gleaned over the years from various web pages and newsgroup posts. There is one source that I copied in my notes: that by Icsc (post #18) at http://groups.google.com/group/rec.p...6597b64f7 310 That was good advice about doing web research as there is no need to reinvent the wheel. So I just found this web site http://cats.about.com/cs/nutrition/a/rawfooddiet.htm Your tip for the egg yolk separation worked great-- got the hang of it on my first try. Dripped the white over an olive oiled glass bowl and nuked it. So the cats get raw yolk and cooked white. |
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