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My cat is on prednisone
Hi All,
I have a 2 year old orange tiger stripe fixed and front declawed male. He has some sorta blood issue where if he doesn't take the prednisone his white blood cell count gets too high and he gets sick and could die. He was on 5mg of prednisone but as of recently he has been moved up to 10mg. He is the saddest case. He has super white skin is tired all the time and scratches himself until he bleeds. I have to give him food enzymes so he can keep his food down. I love him like crazy but the vet has no idea what is the real reason why his body basically "attacks" itself. It breaks my heart to see him all full of gashes and bleeding all the time. The vet did mention to bring him to other places to see if they can run more tests on him but we just don't have the money to do something like that. Its not like he doens't have any life at all and thats why i would find it too soon to put him to sleep. Has anybody had an issue like this? Any ideas on what it might be or is he just a lost cause that i have to watch die slowly? HELP!! |
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My cat is on prednisone
I'm sorry to hear your cat is so sick. He really needs to get a
diagnosis of what is wrong so you know the best way to treat it. If your vet is not able to diagnose the problem -- I'd get an opinion from another vet. Take all of the tests you have already. An internist vet would be best, which is probably what your vet is talking about. In your cat's case, it could be worth saving the money for a visit. That's where we took our diabetic cat on our regular vet's recommendation and it saved his life. I'd be a bit concerned about having your cat on steroids long-term, that can trigger diabetes. Good luck, Rhonda clearbrite99 wrote: Hi All, I have a 2 year old orange tiger stripe fixed and front declawed male. He has some sorta blood issue where if he doesn't take the prednisone his white blood cell count gets too high and he gets sick and could die. He was on 5mg of prednisone but as of recently he has been moved up to 10mg. He is the saddest case. He has super white skin is tired all the time and scratches himself until he bleeds. I have to give him food enzymes so he can keep his food down. I love him like crazy but the vet has no idea what is the real reason why his body basically "attacks" itself. It breaks my heart to see him all full of gashes and bleeding all the time. The vet did mention to bring him to other places to see if they can run more tests on him but we just don't have the money to do something like that. Its not like he doens't have any life at all and thats why i would find it too soon to put him to sleep. Has anybody had an issue like this? Any ideas on what it might be or is he just a lost cause that i have to watch die slowly? HELP!! |
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My cat is on prednisone
Hey Rhonda thanks for the reply. I was wondering how you get an internist??
All the vet office around this area are like major price gougers! We live in Fargo but go way out of town to Casselton vet for better prices. Yeah and the vet said that if he is on pred for too long he will move than likely become dependent on it. Its funny he has good days and bad, today he was playing and having a great time. Just hate to see him suffer. thanx! Rhonda wrote: I'm sorry to hear your cat is so sick. He really needs to get a diagnosis of what is wrong so you know the best way to treat it. If your vet is not able to diagnose the problem -- I'd get an opinion from another vet. Take all of the tests you have already. An internist vet would be best, which is probably what your vet is talking about. In your cat's case, it could be worth saving the money for a visit. That's where we took our diabetic cat on our regular vet's recommendation and it saved his life. I'd be a bit concerned about having your cat on steroids long-term, that can trigger diabetes. Good luck, Rhonda Hi All, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] sleep. Has anybody had an issue like this? Any ideas on what it might be or is he just a lost cause that i have to watch die slowly? HELP!! -- Message posted via CatKB.com http://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx...ealth/200610/1 |
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My cat is on prednisone
Rhonda wrote: I'd be a bit concerned about having your cat on steroids long-term, that can trigger diabetes. Good luck, Rhonda hmm? best I can tell from steroids is... they make you swell they tamper with your heart function (they do) they give you nightmares they make you sweat they make you eat like a gov't mule they make your beep hard as a $50.00 jaw breaker wild stuff people better leave steroids alone my take on steroids.. they are wonderful in the front, bad on the end sweet in the mouth, bitter in the stomach too many side effects diabetes is hard core if you ask me diabetes? who can say what causes... it's not just one thing in general, I would say diabetes are brought on by neglect it's not just one thing you can never go after a symptom when it comes to diabetes (you can.. but don't think it's the big fix) i've never read or heard this next statement:.. I think diabetes and metabolism are very related whatchew think |
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My cat is on prednisone
On Tue 31 Oct 2006 09:14:57p, 2oz wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav news:1162347297.542115.223080 @m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com: too many side effects diabetes is hard core if you ask me diabetes? who can say what causes... it's not just one thing in general, I would say diabetes are brought on by neglect Rhonda had a bad experience with a cat on steroids. Steroids don't cause diabetes; steroids can trigger the disease if the animal is predisposed to it. Meaning, genetics, metabolism, combination of metabolism/too many carbs, genetics. The truth is that cats metabolize steroids better than dogs and humans. Both of those species experience more side-effects from steroids. Short-acting like prednisone is better; it's out of the body sooner. Long-acting like Depo Medrol stays in the body longer, and can trigger side- effects if it's going to happen at all. Bottom line is that steroids can affect quality of life if not prolong life. But like most medications you have to weigh the good with the bad. QOL is important when nothing else works. Would you rather have 15 years of misery, or 8-10 years of being happy and comfortable? -- Cheryl |
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My cat is on prednisone
If you haven't heard of it before, go onto the message board at
www.felinediabetes.com and ask how many have cats with steroid-induced diabetes. Rhonda 2oz wrote: Rhonda wrote: I'd be a bit concerned about having your cat on steroids long-term, that can trigger diabetes. Good luck, Rhonda hmm? best I can tell from steroids is... they make you swell they tamper with your heart function (they do) they give you nightmares they make you sweat they make you eat like a gov't mule they make your beep hard as a $50.00 jaw breaker wild stuff people better leave steroids alone my take on steroids.. they are wonderful in the front, bad on the end sweet in the mouth, bitter in the stomach too many side effects diabetes is hard core if you ask me diabetes? who can say what causes... it's not just one thing in general, I would say diabetes are brought on by neglect it's not just one thing you can never go after a symptom when it comes to diabetes (you can.. but don't think it's the big fix) i've never read or heard this next statement:.. I think diabetes and metabolism are very related whatchew think |
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My cat is on prednisone
You usually have to have a referral from your regular vet to get an
appointment with an internist. You might ask your vet about it, maybe check on the internet to see if you have one nearby. Ours operated out of an animal emergency hospital. I'm glad your cat is better today. It's hard to see them not feeling well. Rhonda clearbrite99 via CatKB.com wrote: Hey Rhonda thanks for the reply. I was wondering how you get an internist?? All the vet office around this area are like major price gougers! We live in Fargo but go way out of town to Casselton vet for better prices. Yeah and the vet said that if he is on pred for too long he will move than likely become dependent on it. Its funny he has good days and bad, today he was playing and having a great time. Just hate to see him suffer. thanx! Rhonda wrote: I'm sorry to hear your cat is so sick. He really needs to get a diagnosis of what is wrong so you know the best way to treat it. If your vet is not able to diagnose the problem -- I'd get an opinion from another vet. Take all of the tests you have already. An internist vet would be best, which is probably what your vet is talking about. In your cat's case, it could be worth saving the money for a visit. That's where we took our diabetic cat on our regular vet's recommendation and it saved his life. I'd be a bit concerned about having your cat on steroids long-term, that can trigger diabetes. Good luck, Rhonda Hi All, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] sleep. Has anybody had an issue like this? Any ideas on what it might be or is he just a lost cause that i have to watch die slowly? HELP!! |
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My cat is on prednisone
Thanks for clarifying, Cheryl. Bob probably was predisposed, but I have
to wonder how many more years he would have had without that one flippin' steroid shot. He got diabetes immediately after that shot and the internist is the one who told me that was probably cause. I would never have put that together. Rhonda Cheryl wrote: Rhonda had a bad experience with a cat on steroids. Steroids don't cause diabetes; steroids can trigger the disease if the animal is predisposed to it. Meaning, genetics, metabolism, combination of metabolism/too many carbs, genetics. The truth is that cats metabolize steroids better than dogs and humans. Both of those species experience more side-effects from steroids. Short-acting like prednisone is better; it's out of the body sooner. Long-acting like Depo Medrol stays in the body longer, and can trigger side- effects if it's going to happen at all. Bottom line is that steroids can affect quality of life if not prolong life. But like most medications you have to weigh the good with the bad. QOL is important when nothing else works. Would you rather have 15 years of misery, or 8-10 years of being happy and comfortable? |
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My cat is on prednisone
On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 03:39:44 GMT, Rhonda
wrote: Thanks for clarifying, Cheryl. Bob probably was predisposed, but I have to wonder how many more years he would have had without that one flippin' steroid shot. He got diabetes immediately after that shot and the internist is the one who told me that was probably cause. I would never have put that together. Rhonda Cheryl wrote: One shot caused diabetes? That really doesn't sound right. I took a quick look at the site you mentioned in a following post and two cases mentioned developing diabetes after nine months of steroid use, not a single shot. Maybe I was looking at the wrong area? I guess the shot might have brought it to the front, but I just can't see one shot causing such a shift in body functioning. Quite a few members of my extended family have had various forms of intestinal inflamatory disease, which have traditionally been treated with cortisone (prednisone). One of the key points of steroid treatment is that the body's natural production of steroids decreases when external steroids are introduced, so it is important to taper off the medication rather than stop suddenly in order to prevent a rebound affect. The important point is that the cat is already producing steroids, and that an injection is not suddenly adding something that wasn't there before. It's just more of it. If you're feeling bad that a prednisone shot caused the diabetes, I think you're not guilty as charged. I'd bet that the diabetes was already there. |
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My cat is on prednisone
Yep, he had just one shot. He was losing some hair on his face due to
suspected allergies, and the (substitute) vet gave him a steroid shot. I don't know if it was prednisone or what type. I didn't take him in myself and the internist vet pointed it out to me later. Anyway, he was originally fine expect for the problem on his face, then within 3 weeks he started soaking the litter box. I petted him one day and felt his spine and realized we had a serious problem. The vet did blood tests and found the diabetes -- and he had lost 3 pounds in 3 weeks. I think the search you did was on site articles instead of asking people on the message board. When I was on the board, there were quite a number of active participants with cats with steroid-induced diabetes. I just posted a message on it and will let you know how they answer. I don't feel guilty about the shot, but sad that it happened. He may have developed diabetes later in life, but this set it in motion faster. He was only 10 or 11. He had a horrible 1st year with it, including bouts of pancreatitus, but was in control the 2nd year. Unfortunately, he died of cancer, but I wonder if that would have developed so soon without his system being compromised by everything else going on. Rhonda dgk wrote: One shot caused diabetes? That really doesn't sound right. I took a quick look at the site you mentioned in a following post and two cases mentioned developing diabetes after nine months of steroid use, not a single shot. Maybe I was looking at the wrong area? I guess the shot might have brought it to the front, but I just can't see one shot causing such a shift in body functioning. Quite a few members of my extended family have had various forms of intestinal inflamatory disease, which have traditionally been treated with cortisone (prednisone). One of the key points of steroid treatment is that the body's natural production of steroids decreases when external steroids are introduced, so it is important to taper off the medication rather than stop suddenly in order to prevent a rebound affect. The important point is that the cat is already producing steroids, and that an injection is not suddenly adding something that wasn't there before. It's just more of it. If you're feeling bad that a prednisone shot caused the diabetes, I think you're not guilty as charged. I'd bet that the diabetes was already there. |
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