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Eosinophilic keratitis and... birth control pills?
Hello,
My cat Roxy's eye has had some discoloration ever since she had a severe infection back in February. I took her to the vet several times and tried lots of different medications. The infection came under control, but her eye has never gotten back to normal. So this morning I brought her to an animal opthalmologist. He dilated her pupils, looked inside her eye, and pronounced that she had "eosinophilic keratitis". And then told me that the best treatment for it was (human) birth control pills. WTF??? He gave me a print-out about it, and the list of possible problems arising from taking the pills was alarming. So I'm not too keen on giving that to her. The other medication he suggested was an anti-herpes drug, which he said would not help at all if she didn't have herpes. This cat is 9 years old and I've believed that she has herpes since she had a positive result from an eye swab at 6 months old. She's been mostly pretty healthy, except that she's more sneezy than most cats, and one of her eyes (not the eosinophilic keratitis eye) has always drained down her nose, probably from scarring of the tear duct during a bad URI when she was a kitten. Anyway, this doctor doesn't believe she has herpes, but because (from his point of view) "it's a possibility", he wanted to cover all the bases. The main treatment, according to him, is the birth control pills. But I decided to take a conservative approach and try the herpes drops first. So I'm going to give those to her for two weeks. If those clear up her eye, then (1) I'll know for sure that she does have herpes, and (2) she won't need the birth control pills. If it doesn't clear up, then I agreed to try the pills in two weeks, but I am pretty nervous about it. I mean, *I* wasn't even willing to take them myself, back when such things were necessary. Of course, Roxy would get a much smaller dose than a grown woman would get, but I'm still leery of it. Has anyone here done this, or heard of it? Pros and cons? Other approaches for dealing with the keratitis? The vet seemed like a typical doctor who is not used to being questioned. He was a bit arrogant (eg, he completely dismissed Lysine as a treatment for herpes, and he was 100% certain of his diagnosis after a short exam). He also seems to be completely invested in the Western medical model, and not open to other approaches. I mean, he wasn't horrible, he did respect my decision to try the anti-herpes drops first, but he implied that in two weeks, I would be getting a bag of the b.c. pills. Anyway, feedback, suggestions, pointers to good reading, etc, would be appreciated! Thanks, Joyce |
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Eosinophilic keratitis and... birth control pills?
On Mon 18 Jun 2007 09:37:07p, wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav
: The vet seemed like a typical doctor who is not used to being questioned. He was a bit arrogant (eg, he completely dismissed Lysine as a treatment for herpes, and he was 100% certain of his diagnosis after a short exam). You seem to be concerned about both the diagnosis and his choice of treatment, so if I were in your shoes I would get another opinion. Eyes are not something to mess around with. And any vet who doesn't believe that Lysine will help with herpes symptoms is not one I would put my trust in. I've seen it happen. Of course Roxy's problem may or may not be herpes, but to dismiss it as a herpes treatment puts up a red flag in my mind. He also seems to be completely invested in the Western medical model, and not open to other approaches. I mean, he wasn't horrible, he did respect my decision to try the anti-herpes drops first, but he implied that in two weeks, I would be getting a bag of the b.c. pills. What are the drops? From what I've been told, anti-viral drops are mega expensive and some vets don't even stock them. What did he sell you? -- Cheryl |
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Cheryl wrote:
What are the drops? From what I've been told, anti-viral drops are mega expensive and some vets don't even stock them. What did he sell you? Cidfovir. And you bet it was expensive - $70!! Joyce |
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Lynne wrote:
I read that a postitive diagnosis of Eosinophilic Keratitis cannot be made without a corneal scraping and cytology. Did he do this? No, but the regular vet at the animal hospital where I took her when the outbreak was really bad did do it. And I had that hospital fax over all their records of tests and treatments so the eye doctor wouldn't duplicate any of their work. He got his diagnosis both from looking into her pupils, once they were dilated, and reading the info in her chart. This could also be used to determine if Roxy has Feline Herpesvirus Keratitis, which apparently is present in a third of all cats diagnosed with Esosinophilip Keratitis according to the articles I just skimmed. Yes, and that's the conservative estimate. It's controversial - another study says it's 76%. So he really can't rule out herpes without further testing, or, IMO, determine what type of keratitis it really is. Keep in mind that it could be both. Good point. One thing I read was that if a cat has herpes and it's focused mostly in one eye, the keratitis will appear in the *other* eye. I don't know why that should be, but that is exactly what's happened with Roxy. I noticed because I thought it was odd that she'd get this in her "good" eye. I would get a second opinion. I just might. But visits to vet opthalmologists are also not cheap. Today's visit cost $225 - including the office visit, some in-house lab work, and very expensive medication. One of the articles I read suggested that topical steroids in the eye (eye drops that contain prednisone) in gradually decreasing doseages may be effective long term. If Roxy has herpes - which is what I've been assuming for 9 years - then prednisone is a Very Bad Idea. Any suppression of her immune system would give the virus free reign to break out. If the anti-herpes med doesn't work, then I think I will insist on the prednisone *drops* first - before going to systemic medication. What drug is this? I'm giving her Cidfovir. Apparently it's helpful for AIDS patients who have CMV, among other things. I have a 10 month old kitten with herpes who does quite well on L-lysine (so far) but sometimes I worry that it may not be enough and am interested in other options in case we ever need them. I've heard too many good things about the lysine to dismiss it just because some vet waves it away. I just think it's par for the course, and I don't believe it means the doctor isn't a good doctor. It just means he has a bias. Some doctors I've seen will sneer at any kind of approach that isn't the straight Western pharmaceutical model. That's their bias. (Maybe they've had too many nice dinners on Big Pharm's tab?) It does mean they're limited, especially in terms of treatment - but could still be a good diagnostician. My 3 year old is seeing an opthamologist Wednesday and I'm very nervous. I hope he's not an ass, too! Me, too! It seems to be a common symptom of Specialist-itis. How did Roxy do after being dilated? Did she also have to be sedated at all for the exam? I have no idea what to expect. She didn't need to be sedated. But Roxy is a pretty good-tempered kitty, very patient, doesn't freak out too much. The dilation didn't seem to affect her that much, although she certainly *looked* upset. (Big black eyes.) Good luck with your kitty's exam! Joyce |
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Lynne wrote:
Interesting. I really hope it helps. Maybe supressing the FHV will allow her body to fight the EK...? That's what I was thinking. Thanks! I'm trimming his claws tonight. Good idea. I should have done that for Roxy's exam, but luckily it turned out not to be necessary. She's usually cooperative, but if the vet does the wrong thing, she will scratch. Just getting him into the carrier should be 'interesting.' Here's what I do - helps a *lot*: - Turn the carrier on its end, with the opening facing up. Then go get the cat. - Lower the cat into the carrier, supporting his weight with one hand, and grasping the scruff of his neck with the other. Grasping him by the scruff of the neck will help to subdue him. (Don't carry him just by the scruff of the neck, though.) - As he gets lower into the carrier, you'll need to brush away the odd front or back paw that's trying to block him from getting in. Do that with the hand that supports the weight. Being held by the scruff of the neck is uncomfortable, and definitely a bad thing for you to do for any length of time, but I don't think it's bad when you've almost got him into the carrier. - When you have most of him inside, you can then give him a push down and quickly close the door. I feel less nervous after reading about Roxy's visit, though. That's good! BTW, my dog's name is Roxy (short for Roxanne). Good choice! Thanks. My Roxy's name isn't short for anything. It's an evolution from "Roswell" to "Rozzy" (which I hated) to "Roxy". Why Roswell? Because when she was a kitten, she had a skinny little triangular face with huge eyes, and she looked just like an X-Files alien. (I dropped the "Roswell", though - she's too girly for that. ) Here she is, somewhere between 4-6 months old, with her "alien" face (and, my god, those ears): http://www.sonic.net/~jwermont/cats/...otos/roxy3.jpg Here she is as an adult. (This was taken several years ago.): http://www.sonic.net/~jwermont/cats/...xy_perfect.jpg Joyce |
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