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  #11  
Old August 15th 07, 01:02 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav,alt.cats,alt.pets.cats,rec.pets.cats.misc
Skye
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On Aug 14, 1:59 pm, "William Graham" wrote:

You can set humane traps that will trap the feral cat when she comes to eat.
Then you can bring her to the vet where they will tranquilizer her and spay
her. Then you can bring her back and let her go, and she won't have any more
kittens....Also, she is likely to stick around your place (or wherever the
food is best) and become domesticated.......

I've thought about doing that, but I'd be afraid she'd never show at
my door
again. In fact, I'm not even sure it would work - she's been
incredibly canny
(or incredibly lucky) when it comes to the animal control cages around
the
neighborhood at various times. It's certainly something to think
about
though - thanks!

Actually, if I do anything, it'll be that, if I can find a sympathetic
vet.

Skye

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Old August 15th 07, 01:46 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav,alt.cats,alt.pets.cats,rec.pets.cats.misc
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On Aug 14, 3:13 pm, "William Graham" wrote:

Errrrrr......I don't want to start a flame war here, but you might just put
a teensy weensy bit of the blame on God, don't you think? - After all,
literally millions of cute furry little animals die of starvation, thirst
and the cold every year, and there isn't a damn thing any of us can do about
it........I often wonder how well He sleeps at night......


Sometimes I feel the same way, these are bad endings for innocent
creatures,
but here's a thought, William . . .

Would you *really* want to be vying for elbow room with dogs, bears,
rabbits,
etc, etc.? Sharing diseases? Can you imagine the humongous abuse
rate,
the hunting and killing for sport?

I think nature knows what it's doing. We may not like some aspects of
it (for
example, I don't especially care about the fact that everything dies
at all, including
us), but it IS beautiful in it's own way.

And as far as God is concerned, She set all this in motion and
probably
sleeps just fine. :-)

Skye

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Old August 15th 07, 01:46 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav,alt.cats,alt.pets.cats,rec.pets.cats.misc
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On Aug 14, 3:38 pm, "Rene S." wrote:

Since she is a feral, you could also call your local animal shelter to
see if they will offer assistance. Some have TNR (trap, neuter,
release) programs or offer low-cost spays. Many will also loan you a
humane trap.


Our animal shelter does not offer a TNR program or any low cost
spays.
They might offer a trap, though.

Unfortunately, by asking these questions you have stumbled onto one of
the hot topics on this forum. Almost all of us regulars here
_strongly_ believe in spaying and neutering, both for the prevention
of unwanted/unneeded litters but also for the overall health and well
being of the animal. Spaying will prevent certain types of cancers and
eliminate many unwanted behaviors (coming into heat, caterwauling,
spraying). With the millions of animals that are euthanized each year,
it's hard *not* to be an advocate of spaying.


I asked my questions with the only objective of getting information.
With
no disrespect intended, I for some reason just don't care about
posters'
opinions, approval, or disapproval. They don't know me or my
situations.

I *tried* to care about an hour ago, but I just can't. I mean, no
offense, but
you all are faceless, anonymous Usenet users - I don't understand how
to
care about that. And I can't believe anyone cares that much about
what
I do. They have to jump on and lecture every time someone posts
anything
with the words "pregnant" and "cat" in it, so that it makes THEM feel
like they
have some purpose in life. It's ridiculous.

I do care that some of the posters took the time and trouble to
respond with
some constructive information. THOSE are the ones I hear.

Skye


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Old August 15th 07, 01:57 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav,alt.cats,alt.pets.cats,rec.pets.cats.misc
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"Skye" wrote in message
ps.com...
On Aug 14, 3:38 pm, "Rene S." wrote:

Since she is a feral, you could also call your local animal shelter to
see if they will offer assistance. Some have TNR (trap, neuter,
release) programs or offer low-cost spays. Many will also loan you a
humane trap.


Our animal shelter does not offer a TNR program or any low cost
spays.
They might offer a trap, though.

Unfortunately, by asking these questions you have stumbled onto one of
the hot topics on this forum. Almost all of us regulars here
_strongly_ believe in spaying and neutering, both for the prevention
of unwanted/unneeded litters but also for the overall health and well
being of the animal. Spaying will prevent certain types of cancers and
eliminate many unwanted behaviors (coming into heat, caterwauling,
spraying). With the millions of animals that are euthanized each year,
it's hard *not* to be an advocate of spaying.


I asked my questions with the only objective of getting information.
With
no disrespect intended, I for some reason just don't care about
posters'
opinions, approval, or disapproval. They don't know me or my
situations.

I *tried* to care about an hour ago, but I just can't. I mean, no
offense, but
you all are faceless, anonymous Usenet users - I don't understand how
to
care about that. And I can't believe anyone cares that much about
what
I do. They have to jump on and lecture every time someone posts
anything
with the words "pregnant" and "cat" in it, so that it makes THEM feel
like they
have some purpose in life. It's ridiculous.

I do care that some of the posters took the time and trouble to
respond with
some constructive information. THOSE are the ones I hear.

Skye


With the exception of a few trolls, everyone here has one thing in
common....We all love cats and hate to see anything bad happen to them.
Anytime you ask strangers for an opinion, you are risking getting bad
advice.....the question I have is: Why did you post here in the first place?


  #15  
Old August 15th 07, 02:00 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav,alt.cats,alt.pets.cats,rec.pets.cats.misc
William Graham
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"Skye" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Aug 14, 1:59 pm, "William Graham" wrote:

You can set humane traps that will trap the feral cat when she comes to
eat.
Then you can bring her to the vet where they will tranquilizer her and
spay
her. Then you can bring her back and let her go, and she won't have any
more
kittens....Also, she is likely to stick around your place (or wherever
the
food is best) and become domesticated.......

I've thought about doing that, but I'd be afraid she'd never show at
my door
again. In fact, I'm not even sure it would work - she's been
incredibly canny
(or incredibly lucky) when it comes to the animal control cages around
the
neighborhood at various times. It's certainly something to think
about
though - thanks!

Actually, if I do anything, it'll be that, if I can find a sympathetic
vet.

Skye

I have had this problem in the past, and what I did was trap the cat, and
then call a friend of mine to pick it up (in the trap) and bring it to the
vet. Then, I picked it up at the vet the next day, and brought it home and
let it go.....The cat didn't connect me with its experience.....Probably
thought of me as the one who rescued it from that terrible place. (The
vet:^)


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Old August 15th 07, 02:11 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav,alt.cats,alt.pets.cats,rec.pets.cats.misc
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"Skye" wrote in message
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I *tried* to care about an hour ago, but I just can't. I mean, no
offense, but
you all are faceless, anonymous Usenet users


As are you.

- I don't understand how
to
care about that. And I can't believe anyone cares that much about
what
I do. They have to jump on and lecture every time someone posts
anything
with the words "pregnant" and "cat" in it, so that it makes THEM feel
like they
have some purpose in life. It's ridiculous.


Is that so? Well, looks like you have us all figured out. Do you have a
purpose in life other than breeding cats and posting questions to strangers
on Usenet?
Best regards,
---Cindy S.



I do care that some of the posters took the time and trouble to
respond with
some constructive information. THOSE are the ones I hear.

Skye




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Old August 15th 07, 01:52 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav,alt.cats,alt.pets.cats,rec.pets.cats.misc
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"Skye" wrote in message
s.com...


On Aug 14, 9:43 am, "cindys" wrote:
"Skye" wrote:

1. Generally speaking, how old can a queen be and still be going into
heat and producing offspring? In other words, please God, is there
such a thing as feline menopause??? :-/


Yes. It's called a "spay."


I'm glad your life is so well-ordered and nothing ever gets out of
your control once
in a while. However, please realize that's not the case with everyone
in the world, mkay?

The older cat is a feral cat who I've been feeding for the last two
years, but has
hung around this neighborhood for at least 10. I've somehow grown
attached,
even though she is wild. She will not come to me nor allow me to so
much as touch her. You tell me how to get her to the vet, Cindy S.,
ok?


You buy or borrow (rescue groups and shelters sometimes lend traps - ask
them) a humane trap. If you've been feeding this cat anyway it should be
quite easy to trap her. Check with the rescue groups for recommendations for
low-cost spay neuter locations where they will do feral cats. Make an
appointment. The day of or the night before the appointment, put some good
smelly wet food in the back of the trap and set it shortly before the time
that the cat usually shows up to eat. Then wait in an out of sight but not
out of hearing place for the unique sound of a trap tripping. Cover trap
with a large towel and take the cat in the trap to the vet for her spay. If
it's the night before, place a large plastic bag on the floor of a garage or
similar place. Put a thick layer of newspaper on the plastic bag and then
set the trap on them. The cat will be fine in a covered trap overnight.

Last summer, some of the neighbors tried to get rid of her. They did
manage to
catch her kittens and most of them were put to sleep. This summer,
we've managed
to get the kittens before they were found, but we had to pull off
commando-type
raids under cat-hating neighbors porches to do it.

She seems to be safe and stays under the radar all the rest of the
year.

I simply wondered how many more summers I could look forward to
worrying about
this. Or do you just think I should stop feeding her? I mean, what
gives with your
attitude???


If you aren't willing to get her spayed, you are doing more harm than good
by feeding her. You are keeping her healthy enough to continue reproducing
kittens when there are already too many kittens to ever possibly home. You
basically are facilitating the birth of kittens so that they or others like
them will have to be put to death. I know people mean well when they start
feeding strays but the truth is that it's better not to and just let nature
take it's course unless you're willing to commit to doing it right and
spay/neuter the cat.




2. I've got another younger cat, first time queen, shows all the
symptoms of pregnancy - more than a month along. However, every
few days, she's spotting blood from the vulva. Not much though, and
otherwise she acts fine. Is this normal, or should I be contacting
the
vet?


You should be contacting the vet about having her spayed. Why are you
allowing your cats to breed?


This cat is my indoor, well-cared-for, beautiful, loved cat. Yes, I
wanted her to
have kittens. OMG! I'm guilty! Shoot me, but not the cat!
Seriously, I'm not sure
since 9/11/2001, but I THINK America is still free enough that if you
want your
cat to breed, you are allowed to do so. Unless there's some law I'm
not aware
of (under Homeland Security, maybe?). I don't even think you have to
ask
permission from, well, ANYBODY. Lol.

Well, thank you for your, um, help and info, Cindy S. I can assure
you, the
world is a much safer and better place. You can sleep well tonight.


Skye


People tend to get a little bent out of shape with people who are willfully
adding to the cat over-population problem. I volunteer for a cat rescue
group. We do adoptions from a Pet Smart store on Saturdays. Last weekend we
had a man bring us a kitten who was obviously on death's door. It appeared
to have injested some type of poison and was having convultions. It was
beyond helping so one of our volunteers took the kitten to the local SPCA to
get it euthanized. When she arrived there the person at the shelter told her
they couldn't help us because they didn't have room. Our volunteer told them
that we weren't asking them to take the cat and house it but to put it out
of it's misery. The shelter person again said they didn't have room. When it
became obvious that they were miscommunicating the shelter person clarified
that they didn't have any room in their FREEZER where they keep the
euthanized animals until they can be cremated. She said that they couldn't
fit a hampster in the freezer if they had to. THAT'S how many unwanted
animals there are out there. And THAT'S why people tend to get a little
short with someone who is exacerbating the problem.

W


  #18  
Old August 15th 07, 03:58 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav,alt.cats,alt.pets.cats,rec.pets.cats.misc
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On Aug 14, 7:57 pm, "William Graham" wrote:

With the exception of a few trolls, everyone here has one thing in
common....We all love cats and hate to see anything bad happen to them.


Apparently, that's not entirely true. There are evidently some in
here who think
it's best to just let stray cats and dogs starve. THAT can't be
good.

Anytime you ask strangers for an opinion,


which I *didn't*

you are risking getting bad
advice.....the question I have is: Why did you post here in the first place?


For information:

1. To find out if there is an age at which a female cat might stop
breeding
naturally.

2. To find out if my pregnant cat was medically in danger.

To my knowledge, only 1 person attempted to specifically answered both
questions.
The rest is just rabid, nutty farting in the wind to me - with the
exception of your
advice of trapping the older cat.

When I was having trouble with my car, I posted my problem to some
car
newsgroups asking for information. I received 12 responses packed
full
of info so that I was able to get my car fixed quickly. There were no
opinions -
no one accused me of letting my car get in disrepair or putting
pollution into
the air by driving a car, no judgmental attitudes at all. I simply
received
information that I needed.

However, to be honest, I haven't posted on Usenet for a long time and
I've forgotten
how vicious and pompously superior people can act here when they know
they're anonymous. All you can do is killfile some, ignore others,
and pick the most
constructive ones out of the mess.

Skye

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Old August 15th 07, 04:20 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav,alt.cats,alt.pets.cats,rec.pets.cats.misc
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On Aug 15, 7:52 am, "Wendy" wrote:

If you aren't willing to get her spayed,


Which I never said I wasn't willing, but ya'll assumed...

you are doing more harm than good
by feeding her. You are keeping her healthy enough to continue reproducing
kittens when there are already too many kittens to ever possibly home. You
basically are facilitating the birth of kittens so that they or others like
them will have to be put to death. I know people mean well when they start
feeding strays but the truth is that it's better not to and just let nature
take it's course unless you're willing to commit to doing it right and
spay/neuter the cat.


Oh for God's sakes, I would NEVER start feeding a cat or dog just to
quit
when it becomes inconvenient for me. THAT's one of MY pet peeves -
people who do that or take on pets just to dump them when they get
tired
of them or they don't like them. And I know it happens a lot. So
forget
it - not even up for discussion. But thanks for reminding me there's
people like you who do that and/or advocate it. It's sick. :-/

Or that I should have ignored her 2 years ago when she was stumbling
around broken, starving, and skeletal. I DID try for about 8 years,
but
come on now. Every animal lover has their limit, and actually, I
don't
regret starting it one bit.

Truth is, this is the first cat I've ever "had" that I couldn't win
over, and I'm not
comfortable with that fact. I didn't know at the beginning she
wouldn't warm
up to me, now did I? But just because she's like that, doesn't mean
I'm gonna
discard her like a soiled tissue now.

For anyone else who's reading this: don't take on a dog, cat, rabbit,
gerbil,
ferret, etc., unless you know beyond a shadow of a doubt you're
willing to
stand by and take care of it for the rest of it's life. If you don't
think you're
up to it or mature enough or are too fickle in your relationships,
simply
DON'T DO IT to begin with. End of story. And that goes for feeding
strays
too. Even if there's a risk you might not be able to spay it or make
a true
"pet" out of it. Once you start, it's yours. Jeesh.

THAT'S why people tend to get a little
short with someone who is exacerbating the problem.


Oh, go pick on someone who deserves it. Surely, you can find someone
out of all the pet-dumpers, animal abusers, people who REGULARLY
don't
get their pets spayed or neutered, people who don't CARE about
euthanized animals, etc., etc. Hey, I'll even join you for that.

Skye


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Old August 15th 07, 05:32 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.health+behav,alt.cats,alt.pets.cats,rec.pets.cats.misc
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"Skye" wrote in message
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However, to be honest, I haven't posted on Usenet for a long time and
I've forgotten
how vicious and pompously superior people can act here when they know
they're anonymous.

-----
With all due respect, you could easily be describing your own behavior on
this newsgroup.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.


 




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