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Cat with corona and heartworms
My poor old kitty is at least 13--maybe older, because we adopted him
from a shelter 11 years ago and the shelter and vet both said he was at least 2 and maybe older). He had lost a little weight during the summer, but he looked healthy. Then about a month ago, he started going downhill fast. He started looking rangy and stopped eating completely. I took him to the vet after a couple of days and they did tests and said he had a URI that day and put him on an anti-biotic. He had a slight fever. The tests showed he had both corona and heartworms--very odd since he is innoculated or taking meds against everything known to man. When he kept going downhill, they did an X-ray and although his heart didn't show any signs of heartworm, it looked unhealthy, and he still had a fever. We gave him his full course of antibiotics, and then I went away for Thanksgiving week and my S.O. watched him over the holiday. When I returned, he had lost so much weight he looked like a skeleton. Another trip to the vet and they said the prognosis is poor--it appears he has the nasty FIPS corona form. Since he is sick, they told me that, if he survives, to switch him to Heartguard because the Revolution can't be given to compromised cats. I decided I was not giving up without a fight. I bought some Pedialyte and some kitten formula and started feeding him with a medicine dropper and kitten bottle (I switched and started using the dropper for both), increasing it until he was getting 3 good-sized meals a day. He was so sick he really couldn't fight me. He was still fastidious about using the litterbox, eventhough he could barely walk and developed the odd gait described for FIPS. But he seemed affectionate and purred and was loving otherwise, so I decided that, unless he seemed to be in pain, I'd keep trying. We kept offering him cat food and treats of all kinds, and occasionally he'd eat some, but not enough to sustain life. He finally started eating more of them, and as of yesterday, he started eating more regular food, too--but not the Science Diet we've given him for many years (he won't eat people food or canned). We feed him piece by piece, and he seems to be slightly better today, but still a very sick kitty. He started fighting my feeding him the Pedialyte and kitten formula a couple days ago, so I've cut down and will cut it out completely tomorrow because he's decided he's really had enough. He's finally had nomal-sized BMs the past 2 days, but he had slight diarrhea with it so bad I've had to wash him both days. He's still very thin and not moving around much. I mashed the Heartguard and sneaked it into the kitten formula to try to stop the heartworm cycle. He's still so touch-and-go. He's my gangster of love, and it's frustrating and very sad that I still can't tell if he'll live or die. I'm cautiously optimistic, but nothing I read gives me much hope. People describe some improvement before serious illness develops again... Any insights would be appreciated. |
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Dakota wrote:
My poor old kitty is at least 13--maybe older, because we adopted him from a shelter 11 years ago and the shelter and vet both said he was at least 2 and maybe older). He had lost a little weight during the summer, but he looked healthy. Then about a month ago, he started going downhill fast. He started looking rangy and stopped eating completely. I took him to the vet after a couple of days and they did tests and said he had a URI that day and put him on an anti-biotic. He had a slight fever. The tests showed he had both corona and heartworms--very odd since he is innoculated or taking meds against everything known to man. When he kept going downhill, they did an X-ray and although his heart didn't show any signs of heartworm, it looked unhealthy, and he still had a fever. We gave him his full course of antibiotics, and then I went away for Thanksgiving week and my S.O. watched him over the holiday. When I returned, he had lost so much weight he looked like a skeleton. Another trip to the vet and they said the prognosis is poor--it appears he has the nasty FIPS corona form. Since he is sick, they told me that, if he survives, to switch him to Heartguard because the Revolution can't be given to compromised cats. I decided I was not giving up without a fight. I bought some Pedialyte and some kitten formula and started feeding him with a medicine dropper and kitten bottle (I switched and started using the dropper for both), increasing it until he was getting 3 good-sized meals a day. He was so sick he really couldn't fight me. He was still fastidious about using the litterbox, eventhough he could barely walk and developed the odd gait described for FIPS. But he seemed affectionate and purred and was loving otherwise, so I decided that, unless he seemed to be in pain, I'd keep trying. We kept offering him cat food and treats of all kinds, and occasionally he'd eat some, but not enough to sustain life. He finally started eating more of them, and as of yesterday, he started eating more regular food, too--but not the Science Diet we've given him for many years (he won't eat people food or canned). We feed him piece by piece, and he seems to be slightly better today, but still a very sick kitty. He started fighting my feeding him the Pedialyte and kitten formula a couple days ago, so I've cut down and will cut it out completely tomorrow because he's decided he's really had enough. He's finally had nomal-sized BMs the past 2 days, but he had slight diarrhea with it so bad I've had to wash him both days. He's still very thin and not moving around much. I mashed the Heartguard and sneaked it into the kitten formula to try to stop the heartworm cycle. He's still so touch-and-go. He's my gangster of love, and it's frustrating and very sad that I still can't tell if he'll live or die. I'm cautiously optimistic, but nothing I read gives me much hope. People describe some improvement before serious illness develops again... Any insights would be appreciated. You're right to question whether you're doing the poor guy much of a favor anymore. If he starts to decline again, or his healthier times become diminished in duration, it's probably time to do the hard task of letting him go. In particular, take into regard his quality of life. If he gets too weak to eat anything, or make it to the litter box, or even groom himself, it's better IMO to give him that peaceful, painless passage than to have his misery increase and his dignity wane. Just my entirely unprofessional opinion. |
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On Dec 10, 8:47 am, Noon Cat Nick
wrote: Dakota wrote: My poor old kitty is at least 13--maybe older, because we adopted him from a shelter 11 years ago and the shelter and vet both said he was at least 2 and maybe older). He had lost a little weight during the summer, but he looked healthy. Then about a month ago, he started going downhill fast. He started looking rangy and stopped eating completely. I took him to the vet after a couple of days and they did tests and said he had a URI that day and put him on an anti-biotic. He had a slight fever. The tests showed he had both corona and heartworms--very odd since he is innoculated or taking meds against everything known to man. When he kept going downhill, they did an X-ray and although his heart didn't show any signs of heartworm, it looked unhealthy, and he still had a fever. We gave him his full course of antibiotics, and then I went away for Thanksgiving week and my S.O. watched him over the holiday. When I returned, he had lost so much weight he looked like a skeleton. Another trip to the vet and they said the prognosis is poor--it appears he has the nasty FIPS corona form. Since he is sick, they told me that, if he survives, to switch him to Heartguard because the Revolution can't be given to compromised cats. I decided I was not giving up without a fight. I bought some Pedialyte and some kitten formula and started feeding him with a medicine dropper and kitten bottle (I switched and started using the dropper for both), increasing it until he was getting 3 good-sized meals a day. He was so sick he really couldn't fight me. He was still fastidious about using the litterbox, eventhough he could barely walk and developed the odd gait described for FIPS. But he seemed affectionate and purred and was loving otherwise, so I decided that, unless he seemed to be in pain, I'd keep trying. We kept offering him cat food and treats of all kinds, and occasionally he'd eat some, but not enough to sustain life. He finally started eating more of them, and as of yesterday, he started eating more regular food, too--but not the Science Diet we've given him for many years (he won't eat people food or canned). We feed him piece by piece, and he seems to be slightly better today, but still a very sick kitty. He started fighting my feeding him the Pedialyte and kitten formula a couple days ago, so I've cut down and will cut it out completely tomorrow because he's decided he's really had enough. He's finally had nomal-sized BMs the past 2 days, but he had slight diarrhea with it so bad I've had to wash him both days. He's still very thin and not moving around much. I mashed the Heartguard and sneaked it into the kitten formula to try to stop the heartworm cycle. He's still so touch-and-go. He's my gangster of love, and it's frustrating and very sad that I still can't tell if he'll live or die. I'm cautiously optimistic, but nothing I read gives me much hope. People describe some improvement before serious illness develops again... Any insights would be appreciated. You're right to question whether you're doing the poor guy much of a favor anymore. If he starts to decline again, or his healthier times become diminished in duration, it's probably time to do the hard task of letting him go. In particular, take into regard his quality of life. If he gets too weak to eat anything, or make it to the litter box, or even groom himself, it's better IMO to give him that peaceful, painless passage than to have his misery increase and his dignity wane. Just my entirely unprofessional opinion. He doesnt sound miserable to me. You said he purrs. If you have the time and love to be with him until the end, I salute you and all the gallant efforts you are doing to keep the old champ alive. |
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On 10 Dec, 05:29, Dakota wrote:
My poor old kitty is at least 13--maybe older, because we adopted him from a shelter 11 years ago and the shelter and vet both said he was at least 2 and maybe older). He had lost a little weight during the summer, but he looked healthy. Then about a month ago, he started going downhill fast. He started looking rangy and stopped eating completely. I took him to the vet after a couple of days and they did tests and said he had a URI that day and put him on an anti-biotic. He had a slight fever. The tests showed he had both corona and heartworms--very odd since he is innoculated or taking meds against everything known to man. When he kept going downhill, they did an X-ray and although his heart didn't show any signs of heartworm, it looked unhealthy, and he still had a fever. We gave him his full course of antibiotics, and then I went away for Thanksgiving week and my S.O. watched him over the holiday. When I returned, he had lost so much weight he looked like a skeleton. Another trip to the vet and they said the prognosis is poor--it appears he has the nasty FIPS corona form. Since he is sick, they told me that, if he survives, to switch him to Heartguard because the Revolution can't be given to compromised cats. I decided I was not giving up without a fight. I bought some Pedialyte and some kitten formula and started feeding him with a medicine dropper and kitten bottle (I switched and started using the dropper for both), increasing it until he was getting 3 good-sized meals a day. He was so sick he really couldn't fight me. He was still fastidious about using the litterbox, eventhough he could barely walk and developed the odd gait described for FIPS. But he seemed affectionate and purred and was loving otherwise, so I decided that, unless he seemed to be in pain, I'd keep trying. We kept offering him cat food and treats of all kinds, and occasionally he'd eat some, but not enough to sustain life. He finally started eating more of them, and as of yesterday, he started eating more regular food, too--but not the Science Diet we've given him for many years (he won't eat people food or canned). We feed him piece by piece, and he seems to be slightly better today, but still a very sick kitty. He started fighting my feeding him the Pedialyte and kitten formula a couple days ago, so I've cut down and will cut it out completely tomorrow because he's decided he's really had enough. He's finally had nomal-sized BMs the past 2 days, but he had slight diarrhea with it so bad I've had to wash him both days. He's still very thin and not moving around much. I mashed the Heartguard and sneaked it into the kitten formula to try to stop the heartworm cycle. He's still so touch-and-go. He's my gangster of love, and it's frustrating and very sad that I still can't tell if he'll live or die. I'm cautiously optimistic, but nothing I read gives me much hope. People describe some improvement before serious illness develops again... Any insights would be appreciated. --------- Any insights would be appreciated My poor old kitty is at least 13--maybe older, because we adopted him from a shelter 11 years ago and the shelter and vet both said he was at least 2 and maybe older). He had lost a little weight during the summer, but he looked healthy. Then about a month ago, he started going downhill fast. He started looking rangy and stopped eating completely. I took him to the vet after a couple of days and they did tests and said he had a URI that day and put him on an anti-biotic. He had a slight fever. ----------------------------------- It is quite common for cats to carry corona virus @ some stage in their life, but if not treated, it can cause the secondary infection of FIP. Corona virus is activated in carriers by stress & illness. If you have any other cats, I would recommend that you have some bloods done on them, so that you know exactly where you stand to start with. The antibiotics gets rid of present infections, but there is no known cure for FIP. ------------------------------------------------------ The tests showed he had both corona and heart worms--very odd since he is inoculated or taking meds against everything known to man. When he kept going downhill, they did an X-ray and although his heart didn't show any signs of heartworm, it looked unhealthy, and he still had a fever. ----------------- It sounds like your vet is not is explaining the consequences of his illness to you. If I were you, I would be asking why he wasn't covered for heartworm, if he was treated by them? ---------------- We gave him his full course of antibiotics, and then I went away for Thanksgiving week and my S.O. watched him over the holiday. When I returned, he had lost so much weight he looked like a skeleton. Another trip to the vet and they said the prognosis is poor--it appears he has the nasty FIPS corona form. Since he is sick, they told me that, if he survives, to switch him to Heartguard because the Revolution can't be given to compromised cats. --------------------------------------------------------------------- It is a shame, but these things do happen. I can understand you leaving him in an-other's care because you thought he was ok. However, You must remain aware that corona virus is a very nasty disease, & although it doesn't mean that corona virus will definately grow into full blown FIP, in his case you know that he has got full blown FIP. It is so contagious that any cat that comes into contact with him, stands a good chance of picking it up from him. Here is a link to some more information relating to corona virus & FIP too, so that you can read all about it when you have the time so it & read it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus http://www.moggies.co.uk/articles/fip.html The only reason I can advise you about the corona virus & FIP, is because I had a case of it here recently from a rescue kitten, so I know exactly how you are feeling. It's a terrible thing to deal with. Living in the UK, we don't have the same heartworm problems as the USA, but I've started treating my cat's against it, simply because I'm not willing to take the risk. What I can tell you, is that most cases of heartworm can also be life threatening- But, some member's here have managed to coax their cat's into several extra years. http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/5150/heartworm.htm I'm sure that others can advise about Heartworm, far better than I am able to? -------------------------------------------------- I decided I was not giving up without a fight. I bought some Pedialyte and some kitten formula and started feeding him with a medicine dropper and kitten bottle (I switched and started using the dropper for both), increasing it until he was getting 3 good-sized meals a day. He was so sick he really couldn't fight me. He was still fastidious about using the litterbox, eventhough he could barely walk and developed the odd gait described for FIPS. But he seemed affectionate and purred and was loving otherwise, so I decided that, unless he seemed to be in pain, I'd keep trying. ---------------------------- All purring indicates, is that the cat is happy for you to interact with you. I had a couple of breeding queens a year ago, & both females would purr all the way through labour!! Believe me, a cat hides pain because in their world, it is showing a sign of weakness to admit they are in pain- so they don't show it!! ------------------------------- We kept offering him cat food and treats of all kinds, and occasionally he'd eat some, but not enough to sustain life. He finally started eating more of them, and as of yesterday, he started eating more regular food, too--but not the Science Diet we've given him for many years (he won't eat people food or canned). We feed him piece by piece, and he seems to be slightly better today, but still a very sick kitty. He started fighting my feeding him the Pedialyte and kitten formula a couple days ago, so I've cut down and will cut it out completely tomorrow because he's decided he's really had enough. ----------------------------------------------------- One of the hardest things a cat slave has to do, is decide when enough is enough, for your beloved cat. You have to think of the quality of life that your cat has, & have a really good chat with your vet, so that he understands how you feel, & all of the things that you are not familiar with (Corona virus & FIP). It will probably be the hardest call of your life. I'm sorry, but there is no cure for FIP, & you wouldn't want him to suffer overly. This is why I recommend this chat with your vet. I am hoping that you will know when your dearest companion needs mercy, & be brave enough to allow him to go to the other side of the Rainbow Bridge, where he will always carry a piece of your heart, & Vice versa. ------------------------------------------------------- He's finally had nomal-sized BMs the past 2 days, but he had slight diarrhea with it so bad I've had to wash him both days. He's still very thin and not moving around much. I mashed the Heartguard and sneaked it into the kitten formula to try to stop the heartworm cycle. He's still so touch-and-go. He's my gangster of love, and it's frustrating and very sad that I still can't tell if he'll live or die. I'm cautiously optimistic, but nothing I read gives me much hope. People describe some improvement before serious illness develops again... ------------------------------------------- This is true. He will get over it for a couple of weeks, then suddenly he will take a nose dive again. We all understand how hard that will be for you, but we are here for support & to talk to you when that time comes. Until then, love him like there is no tomorrow, because you will treasure these times for life. I feel terrible that I can't give you a better prognosis for your cat. I would dearly love to! Please do keep in touch with us & let us know how your gangster is faring if you wouldn't mind? Good Luck, Sheelagh "o" |
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"Sheelagh"o"" wrote in message ... On 10 Dec, 05:29, Dakota wrote: My poor old kitty is at least 13--maybe older, because we adopted him from a shelter 11 years ago and the shelter and vet both said he was at least 2 and maybe older). He had lost a little weight during the summer, but he looked healthy. Then about a month ago, he started going downhill fast. He started looking rangy and stopped eating completely. I took him to the vet after a couple of days and they did tests and said he had a URI that day and put him on an anti-biotic. He had a slight fever. The tests showed he had both corona and heartworms--very odd since he is innoculated or taking meds against everything known to man. When he kept going downhill, they did an X-ray and although his heart didn't show any signs of heartworm, it looked unhealthy, and he still had a fever. snip It is quite common for cats to carry corona virus @ some stage in their life, but if not treated, it can cause the secondary infection of FIP. Corona virus is activated in carriers by stress & illness. If you have any other cats, I would recommend that you have some bloods done on them, so that you know exactly where you stand to start with. The antibiotics gets rid of present infections, but there is no known cure for FIP. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by Corona not being treated. There is no treatment for the Corona virus. About 85% of all cats will be exposed to the Corona virus at some point in their life. Most cats will eventually clear the virus from their system with no ill effect. There are some cats that become chronic shedders. If one of them lives in a community of cats that cat could continue to reinfect the other cats. A small percentage (3 - 5%) of infected cats will have the virus mutate into the FIP form of the virus. The FIP form of corona is not contagious. Each cat that succums to FIP has 'manufactured' it's own fatal form of the corona virus. There is no test that can isolate the FIP form. All the corona tests tell you is that the cat has SOME form of the corona virus but not that it's a fatal form. There is no cure for FIP. You can't tell that the cat has FIP by simply running one test. The diagnosis must be made by a combination of symptoms and test results that are consistent with the disease. FIP takes two basic forms, wet or dry. The wet form generally will cause death more quickly and is recognized by fluid accumulation in the chest or abdominal cavity. This fluid or effluent can be tested for the presence of the virus and a relatively certain diagnosis can be obtained. The dry form is a little trickier to recognize as it has a shopping list of possible symptoms and the cats can linger with this form. Antibiotics will be ineffective against FIP as it's a virus and anti-biotics only address bacterial infections. ------------------------------------------------------ It is so contagious that any cat that comes into contact with him, stands a good chance of picking it up from him. It's kind of like shutting the barn door after the horse has been stolen. Once the cat has begun showing symptoms it's likely that all cats in the household who share litter boxes or areas around the litter box have already been exposed to the virus as corona is spread through the fecal/oral route (cat ingests something that is contaminated with fecal matter or ingests the virus when grooming after using a common box). I seem to remember reading that once the cat has gone active FIP that it no longer is shedding virus in the feces but can't site the source so take it for what it's worth. It's a lead pipe cinch that corona is in the household so I certainly wouldn't introduce a new cat to the environment. I seem to remember that the virus can live in the environment for up to 6-7 weeks and isn't killed by the use of normal household cleaners. A 32:1 water/bleach solution will kill just about anything but of course can't be used on all surfaces. Scooping regularly and changing out the litter frequently can help to minimize the viral load. I didn't notice the OP refer to additional cat though. If this is an only cat then none of this makes any difference at this point. I have to agree that purring indicates nothing other than the cat is purring. I sometimes suspect that they purr when in pain to comfort themselves but that's just a theory and the cats aren't telling. I hope things go gently with this poor kitty. Wendy |
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On Dec 11, 1:21 pm, "Wendy" wrote:
"Sheelagh"o"" wrote in message ... On 10 Dec, 05:29, Dakota wrote: My poor old kitty is at least 13--maybe older, because we adopted him from a shelter 11 years ago and the shelter and vet both said he was at least 2 and maybe older). He had lost a little weight during the summer, but he looked healthy. Then about a month ago, he started going downhill fast. He started looking rangy and stopped eating completely. I took him to the vet after a couple of days and they did tests and said he had a URI that day and put him on an anti-biotic. He had a slight fever. The tests showed he had both corona and heartworms--very odd since he is innoculated or taking meds against everything known to man. When he kept going downhill, they did an X-ray and although his heart didn't show any signs of heartworm, it looked unhealthy, and he still had a fever. snip It is quite common for cats to carry corona virus @ some stage in their life, but if not treated, it can cause the secondary infection of FIP. Corona virus is activated in carriers by stress & illness. If you have any other cats, I would recommend that you have some bloods done on them, so that you know exactly where you stand to start with. The antibiotics gets rid of present infections, but there is no known cure for FIP. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by Corona not being treated. There is no treatment for the Corona virus. About 85% of all cats will be exposed to the Corona virus at some point in their life. Most cats will eventually clear the virus from their system with no ill effect. There are some cats that become chronic shedders. If one of them lives in a community of cats that cat could continue to reinfect the other cats. A small percentage (3 - 5%) of infected cats will have the virus mutate into the FIP form of the virus. The FIP form of corona is not contagious. Each cat that succums to FIP has 'manufactured' it's own fatal form of the corona virus. There is no test that can isolate the FIP form. All the corona tests tell you is that the cat has SOME form of the corona virus but not that it's a fatal form. There is no cure for FIP. You can't tell that the cat has FIP by simply running one test. The diagnosis must be made by a combination of symptoms and test results that are consistent with the disease. FIP takes two basic forms, wet or dry. The wet form generally will cause death more quickly and is recognized by fluid accumulation in the chest or abdominal cavity. This fluid or effluent can be tested for the presence of the virus and a relatively certain diagnosis can be obtained. The dry form is a little trickier to recognize as it has a shopping list of possible symptoms and the cats can linger with this form. Antibiotics will be ineffective against FIP as it's a virus and anti-biotics only address bacterial infections. ------------------------------------------------------ It is so contagious that any cat that comes into contact with him, stands a good chance of picking it up from him. It's kind of like shutting the barn door after the horse has been stolen. Once the cat has begun showing symptoms it's likely that all cats in the household who share litter boxes or areas around the litter box have already been exposed to the virus as corona is spread through the fecal/oral route (cat ingests something that is contaminated with fecal matter or ingests the virus when grooming after using a common box). I seem to remember reading that once the cat has gone active FIP that it no longer is shedding virus in the feces but can't site the source so take it for what it's worth. It's a lead pipe cinch that corona is in the household so I certainly wouldn't introduce a new cat to the environment. I seem to remember that the virus can live in the environment for up to 6-7 weeks and isn't killed by the use of normal household cleaners. A 32:1 water/bleach solution will kill just about anything but of course can't be used on all surfaces. Scooping regularly and changing out the litter frequently can help to minimize the viral load. I didn't notice the OP refer to additional cat though. If this is an only cat then none of this makes any difference at this point. I have to agree that purring indicates nothing other than the cat is purring. I sometimes suspect that they purr when in pain to comfort themselves but that's just a theory and the cats aren't telling. I hope things go gently with this poor kitty. Wendy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It is quite common for cats to carry corona virus @ some stage in their life, but if not treated, it can cause the secondary infection of FIP. Corona virus is activated in carriers by stress & illness. If you have any other cats, I would recommend that you have some bloods done on them, so that you know exactly where you stand to start with. The antibiotics gets rid of present infections, but there is no known cure for FIP. I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear on this one. I meant to indicate that the antibiotics would have knocked any bacterial infection ( the OP mentioned that he had recently suffered a URI) on the head. It was also my understanding that in times of stress or illness, most cats with corona virus succumb to infection easily, which is why antibiotics are required to get rid of any infection caused as a result of fresh breakout? Is this the case Wendy? I defer to your greater wisdom on this one, because I can only speak from the experience of that 1 kitten, & I know that you have dealt with more cases of corona virus than I've had hot dinners! I came to you for advise on that one, & I do remember you saying that there was a wet & dry version now that you mention it. Misdiagnosis is very prevalent too, because it takes a number of factors to diagnose Corona virus, doesn't it? It is interesting to note that once a cat has FIP that it stops shedding. I wasn't aware of that! Isn't killed by the use of normal household cleaners. A 32:1 water/bleach solution will kill just about anything but of course can't be used on all surfaces. Just out of interest, I was given some of this to scrub all of the runs, & also the rest of the places that the kitten came into contact with. It is called Parvo Virucide. I have been reading up a little about it, & I note that it's main function is to get rid of kennel cough & several other nasty organisms & virus prevention. Have I been sold a fancy idea, or is it the correct stuff to treat to treat the pens with? Many thanks Wendy..... http://www.hyperdrug.co.uk/prodinfo....mber=PARVOVIRU I Learn something new everyday on Usenet. Thanks Wendy ) Can you indicate the difference between wet & dry forms, if you know them please? Thank you for enlightening me too. I am very sorry if I didn't make myself clear to the OP & Thank you for putting me right Wendy ... Sheelagh "o" |
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Cat with corona and heartworms
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I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear on this one. I meant to indicate that the antibiotics would have knocked any bacterial infection ( the OP mentioned that he had recently suffered a URI) on the head. I just wanted to clarify that the antibiotics wouldn't help the FIP infection at all. It's not uncommon for baterial infections to start when the cat's immune system is busy fighting off a viral infection though. It was also my understanding that in times of stress or illness, most cats with corona virus succumb to infection easily, which is why antibiotics are required to get rid of any infection caused as a result of fresh breakout? Is this the case Wendy? Are you saying that for instance a cat that is corona positive is more likely to get an URI than the cat next door who is corona negative? If so I've never heard that. If you're saying that if the cat is suffering with FIP that makes it more succeptable to opportunistic bacterial infections then I'd have to say probably. The cats immune system is already fighting itself because of the FIP. "FIP develops when a usually harmless strain of FCoV mutates in the cat in a way that gives the virus the ability to replicate itself in some of the cat's white cells. When the immune system mounts a defense against the invaded white cells, which are themselves infection-fighting cells, the immune system ends up damaging its own protective cells and tissues," says Dr. Richards. The result is an intense inflammatory reaction in the tissues where the virus-infected cells reside, which causes damage to multiple systems at once and ultimately leads to death. http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/news/FIP.htm I defer to your greater wisdom on this one, because I can only speak from the experience of that 1 kitten, & I know that you have dealt with more cases of corona virus than I've had hot dinners! I came to you for advise on that one, & I do remember you saying that there was a wet & dry version now that you mention it. Misdiagnosis is very prevalent too, because it takes a number of factors to diagnose Corona virus, doesn't it? It is interesting to note that once a cat has FIP that it stops shedding. I wasn't aware of that! Isn't killed by the use of normal household cleaners. A 32:1 water/bleach solution will kill just about anything but of course can't be used on all surfaces. Just out of interest, I was given some of this to scrub all of the runs, & also the rest of the places that the kitten came into contact with. It is called Parvo Virucide. I have been reading up a little about it, & I note that it's main function is to get rid of kennel cough & several other nasty organisms & virus prevention. Have I been sold a fancy idea, or is it the correct stuff to treat to treat the pens with? Many thanks Wendy..... http://www.hyperdrug.co.uk/prodinfo....mber=PARVOVIRU I Learn something new everyday on Usenet. Thanks Wendy ) Can you indicate the difference between wet & dry forms, if you know them please? Thank you for enlightening me too. I am very sorry if I didn't make myself clear to the OP & Thank you for putting me right Wendy ... Sheelagh "o" That cleaner sounds pretty heavy duty if it's effective against Panleuk. I'm not the expert on clean up though. Phil might be better to advise about that. I can bleach anything that my fosters come in contact with and that's what I usually do when faced with one of these nasty organisms. Overkill sometimes but makes me feel better about putting the next kitty in that spot. There is a FIP Yahoo group that is quite informative if someone wants more information or clarification about FIP. There are vets who participate and others that are involved with and up to date on the research that is going on in this area. Although there is much discussion among those who's cats are ill and support of those who have lost pets to this disease, there is also much good discussion and information about getting an accurate diagnosis and who has the accurate information and who's blowing smoke, which labs can give you accurate test results and which tests promise more than they can deliver. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FIP/ Wendy |
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On Dec 11, 7:03 pm, "Wendy" wrote:
big snip I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear on this one. I meant to indicate that the antibiotics would have knocked any bacterial infection ( the OP mentioned that he had recently suffered a URI) on the head. I just wanted to clarify that the antibiotics wouldn't help the FIP infection at all. It's not uncommon for baterial infections to start when the cat's immune system is busy fighting off a viral infection though. It was also my understanding that in times of stress or illness, most cats with corona virus succumb to infection easily, which is why antibiotics are required to get rid of any infection caused as a result of fresh breakout? Is this the case Wendy? Are you saying that for instance a cat that is corona positive is more likely to get an URI than the cat next door who is corona negative? If so I've never heard that. If you're saying that if the cat is suffering with FIP that makes it more succeptable to opportunistic bacterial infections then I'd have to say probably. The cats immune system is already fighting itself because of the FIP. "FIP develops when a usually harmless strain of FCoV mutates in the cat in a way that gives the virus the ability to replicate itself in some of the cat's white cells. When the immune system mounts a defense against the invaded white cells, which are themselves infection-fighting cells, the immune system ends up damaging its own protective cells and tissues," says Dr. Richards. The result is an intense inflammatory reaction in the tissues where the virus-infected cells reside, which causes damage to multiple systems at once and ultimately leads to death. http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/news/FIP.htm I defer to your greater wisdom on this one, because I can only speak from the experience of that 1 kitten, & I know that you have dealt with more cases of corona virus than I've had hot dinners! I came to you for advise on that one, & I do remember you saying that there was a wet & dry version now that you mention it. Misdiagnosis is very prevalent too, because it takes a number of factors to diagnose Corona virus, doesn't it? It is interesting to note that once a cat has FIP that it stops shedding. I wasn't aware of that! Isn't killed by the use of normal household cleaners. A 32:1 water/bleach solution will kill just about anything but of course can't be used on all surfaces. Just out of interest, I was given some of this to scrub all of the runs, & also the rest of the places that the kitten came into contact with. It is called Parvo Virucide. I have been reading up a little about it, & I note that it's main function is to get rid of kennel cough & several other nasty organisms & virus prevention. Have I been sold a fancy idea, or is it the correct stuff to treat to treat the pens with? Many thanks Wendy..... http://www.hyperdrug.co.uk/prodinfo....mber=PARVOVIRU I Learn something new everyday on Usenet. Thanks Wendy ) Can you indicate the difference between wet & dry forms, if you know them please? Thank you for enlightening me too. I am very sorry if I didn't make myself clear to the OP & Thank you for putting me right Wendy ... Sheelagh "o" That cleaner sounds pretty heavy duty if it's effective against Panleuk. I'm not the expert on clean up though. Phil might be better to advise about that. I can bleach anything that my fosters come in contact with and that's what I usually do when faced with one of these nasty organisms. Overkill sometimes but makes me feel better about putting the next kitty in that spot. There is a FIP Yahoo group that is quite informative if someone wants more information or clarification about FIP. There are vets who participate and others that are involved with and up to date on the research that is going on in this area. Although there is much discussion among those who's cats are ill and support of those who have lost pets to this disease, there is also much good discussion and information about getting an accurate diagnosis and who has the accurate information and who's blowing smoke, which labs can give you accurate test results and which tests promise more than they can deliver.http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FIP/ Wendy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you saying that for instance a cat that is corona positive is more likely to get an URI than the cat next door who is corona negative? If so I've never heard that. No, I didn't mean to imply that, although I did think that stress was a trigger that does make them slightly more susceptible to infection than they would have normally ? If you're saying that if the cat is suffering with FIP that makes it more susceptible to opportunistic bacterial infections then I'd have to say probably. The cats immune system is already fighting itself because of the FIP. This is exactly what I meant to imply. It was my understanding that a cat who is compromised with FIP is far more susceptible to infection, especially in times of stress & ill health in general. (ie: a cat with FIP who is feeling ill from the side effects of FIP, would be far more likely to be susceptible a virus & get a bacterial infections, than say a male cat in good health.) That cleaner sounds pretty heavy duty if it's effective against Panleuk. I'm not the expert on clean up though. Phil might be better to advise about that. I can bleach anything that my fosters come in contact with and that's what I usually do when faced with one of these nasty organisms. Overkill sometimes but makes me feel better about putting the next kitty in that spot. I agree! I will be sure to ask him when I see him around. The reason I asked the question about it is because I have a friend with a cat with FIP, & the more I can find out, the better I can advise her. I had never even heard of the problem before we had that little kitty who was so poorly that the vet felt he couldn't help him. From what I can glean, it is a very commonly misdiagnosed problem that can't be eliminated by one test alone; rather lots of tests that do give an accurate diagnosis. I know this bottle of stuff cost her in the region of $100, so that was why I was asking if she was buying a great idea with no effect. It seems that it is pretty strong stuff after all?!! The links you have provided are invaluable. Thank you for that contribution Wendy. It helps a lot & I have forwarded the links to her to read too. Her cat has just been diagnosed after a couple of months of tests. @ 15 years old, he has had a good life with her from 5 weeks old, but now she has reached the point where he is becoming terribly hard to feed, so she faces a very similar prognosis. I looked after him during the day whilst she has been @ work for the last week, then she takes over in the evening. I believe they have spoken with their vet to arrange him coming to their house early next week, so that they can say good bye to him @ home where he feels safe & comforted. I really feel for her. It's a horrible disease! I have one final question if you have the time to respond Wendy. Is there anything that you can do, other than to keeping litter boxes scrupulously clean, & new arrivals quarantined, to lessen the chances of contracting Corona Virus? TIA ) Sheelagh"o" |
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On Dec 10, 8:47 am, Noon Cat Nick
wrote: Dakota wrote: snip Thanks to everyone who responded. He's been eating only regular food and water for 3 days now and his litter habits are back to normal. He's still skinny (I've nicknamed him "Mr. Bones!"), but he's moving, eating, and drinking better and I noticed a touch of cattitude today for the first time since he became ill. He still has the gait disorder that may be associated with dry (I think I have them correct) FIPS. He never had the stomach or chest symptoms associated with wet. I do realize there is a good chance he won't make it. I'm pretty accepting now of whatever happens. I feel that sense of "completion" people talk about, and know I can release him and let him go. He's an only cat, so infection of or by other cats isn't an issue and he'd had all his shots and meds each month and year. If he starts going down hill again, my vet told me to just call when it's time for him to go. The vet suspects he may be much older than the shelter estimated. We've had 11 great years together and he's been one of my dearest and most therapeutic friends. |
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On Dec 12, 12:29 pm, "Sheelagh\"o\""
wrote: On Dec 11, 7:03 pm, "Wendy" wrote: big snip I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear on this one. I meant to indicate that the antibiotics would have knocked any bacterial infection ( the OP mentioned that he had recently suffered a URI) on the head. I just wanted to clarify that the antibiotics wouldn't help the FIP infection at all. It's not uncommon for baterial infections to start when the cat's immune system is busy fighting off a viral infection though. It was also my understanding that in times of stress or illness, most cats with corona virus succumb to infection easily, which is why antibiotics are required to get rid of any infection caused as a result of fresh breakout? Is this the case Wendy? Are you saying that for instance a cat that is corona positive is more likely to get an URI than the cat next door who is corona negative? If so I've never heard that. If you're saying that if the cat is suffering with FIP that makes it more succeptable to opportunistic bacterial infections then I'd have to say probably. The cats immune system is already fighting itself because of the FIP. "FIP develops when a usually harmless strain of FCoV mutates in the cat in a way that gives the virus the ability to replicate itself in some of the cat's white cells. When the immune system mounts a defense against the invaded white cells, which are themselves infection-fighting cells, the immune system ends up damaging its own protective cells and tissues," says Dr. Richards. The result is an intense inflammatory reaction in the tissues where the virus-infected cells reside, which causes damage to multiple systems at once and ultimately leads to death. http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/news/FIP.htm I defer to your greater wisdom on this one, because I can only speak from the experience of that 1 kitten, & I know that you have dealt with more cases of corona virus than I've had hot dinners! I came to you for advise on that one, & I do remember you saying that there was a wet & dry version now that you mention it. Misdiagnosis is very prevalent too, because it takes a number of factors to diagnose Corona virus, doesn't it? It is interesting to note that once a cat has FIP that it stops shedding. I wasn't aware of that! Isn't killed by the use of normal household cleaners. A 32:1 water/bleach solution will kill just about anything but of course can't be used on all surfaces. Just out of interest, I was given some of this to scrub all of the runs, & also the rest of the places that the kitten came into contact with. It is called Parvo Virucide. I have been reading up a little about it, & I note that it's main function is to get rid of kennel cough & several other nasty organisms & virus prevention. Have I been sold a fancy idea, or is it the correct stuff to treat to treat the pens with? Many thanks Wendy..... http://www.hyperdrug.co.uk/prodinfo....mber=PARVOVIRU I Learn something new everyday on Usenet. Thanks Wendy ) Can you indicate the difference between wet & dry forms, if you know them please? Thank you for enlightening me too. I am very sorry if I didn't make myself clear to the OP & Thank you for putting me right Wendy ... Sheelagh "o" That cleaner sounds pretty heavy duty if it's effective against Panleuk. I'm not the expert on clean up though. Phil might be better to advise about that. I can bleach anything that my fosters come in contact with and that's what I usually do when faced with one of these nasty organisms. Overkill sometimes but makes me feel better about putting the next kitty in that spot. There is a FIP Yahoo group that is quite informative if someone wants more information or clarification about FIP. There are vets who participate and others that are involved with and up to date on the research that is going on in this area. Although there is much discussion among those who's cats are ill and support of those who have lost pets to this disease, there is also much good discussion and information about getting an accurate diagnosis and who has the accurate information and who's blowing smoke, which labs can give you accurate test results and which tests promise more than they can deliver.http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FIP/ Wendy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you saying that for instance a cat that is corona positive is more likely to get an URI than the cat next door who is corona negative? If so I've never heard that. No, I didn't mean to imply that, although I did think that stress was a trigger that does make them slightly more susceptible to infection than they would have normally ? If you're saying that if the cat is suffering with FIP that makes it more susceptible to opportunistic bacterial infections then I'd have to say probably. The cats immune system is already fighting itself because of the FIP. This is exactly what I meant to imply. It was my understanding that a cat who is compromised with FIP is far more susceptible to infection, especially in times of stress & ill health in general. (ie: a cat with FIP who is feeling ill from the side effects of FIP, would be far more likely to be susceptible a virus & get a bacterial infections, than say a male cat in good health.) That cleaner sounds pretty heavy duty if it's effective against Panleuk. I'm not the expert on clean up though. Phil might be better to advise about that. I can bleach anything that my fosters come in contact with and that's what I usually do when faced with one of these nasty organisms. Overkill sometimes but makes me feel better about putting the next kitty in that spot. I agree! I will be sure to ask him when I see him around. The reason I asked the question about it is because I have a friend with a cat with FIP, & the more I can find out, the better I can advise her. I had never even heard of the problem before we had that little kitty who was so poorly that the vet felt he couldn't help him. From what I can glean, it is a very commonly misdiagnosed problem that can't be eliminated by one test alone; rather lots of tests that do give an accurate diagnosis. I know this bottle of stuff cost her in the region of $100, so that was why I was asking if she was buying a great idea with no effect. It seems that it is pretty strong stuff after all?!! The links you have provided are invaluable. Thank you for that contribution Wendy. It helps a lot & I have forwarded the links to her to read too. Her cat has just been diagnosed after a couple of months of tests. @ 15 years old, he has had a good life with her from 5 weeks old, but now she has reached the point where he is becoming terribly hard to feed, so she faces a very similar prognosis. I looked after him during the day whilst she has been @ work for the last week, then she takes over in the evening. I believe they have spoken with their vet to arrange him coming to their house early next week, so that they can say good bye to him @ home where he feels safe & comforted. I really feel for her. It's a horrible disease! I have one final question if you have the time to respond Wendy. Is there anything that you can do, other than to keeping litter boxes scrupulously clean, & new arrivals quarantined, to lessen the chances of contracting Corona Virus? Here's what my 2 vets said: None of the traditional annual tests had ever shown him to be corona positive, and corona can mutate, and it just depends on the cat's immune system and which form of the virus he contracts. They said different cattery owners and researchers have different experiences-- some say the shots can make at least some cats more susceptible. My cat came from a shelter when he was estimated to be 2 years old (13 years ago), so they said he could have been infected earlier by a form that didn't show up that recently mutated. He had what appeared to be a URI at first, and he did mostly recover from that (it's not clear if the antibiotics helped or not, from what I could tell.) Note: The tests are quite expensive, for anyone who is considering following in my footsteps, and I'm still not clear if I've done the best thing for my kitty. I know I did the best thing for my own peace of mind. |
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