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Hyperthyroid and borderline CRF cat declining
My Carey cat, who has has problems for the last 6+ years, none of them
successfully diagnosed (despite numerous vets and specialists and tests), has finally been diagnosed as hyperthyroid, which I have suspected all along, but tests did not indicate. Her urine output has increased dramatically the last few weeks and has been happening outside of the box as well as in. She has dropped even more weight and although the vet office weighed her at 5#, she was moving around a bit and I don't believe she's actually that much. She is not interested in eating. I got her favorite roasted chicken, and while she'll take a bite or two, that's it. I have had to take her to her food, as she has not come in to the room seeking it. I offered her food off my plate last evening and it was ignored. We usually let her clean off our dinner plates and it is a highlight of her day. While I know that tapazole is a possibility as well as radioactive iodine, I'm concerned that there is and underlying issue that is causing her to not eat, and also aware that the hyperthyroid treatments could send her kidneys into a tailspin. I don't want to just let her fade away, but don't want to cause her pain either. She is barely sustaining herself at this point. She got sub-Q fluids on Wednesday, and rallied a bit, but she's back to just staying in her cat bed for the most part. I'm assuming that there is probably some cancer at play, as we all expect a hyperthyroid cat to be ravenous. She has not been and is not now. I have to think about this practically along with the emotional part, and her 15th birthday is in a bit over a month. We have another appointment at the vet on Thursday and I'm feeling a bit lost about what course of action to take. Any actual experiences with a cat with this particular combination of symptoms/diagnoses would be welcome. -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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Hyperthyroid and borderline CRF cat declining
She is not interested in eating. *I got her favorite roasted chicken,
and while she'll take a bite or two, that's it. I have had to take her to her food, as she has not come in to the room seeking it. I offered her food off my plate last evening and it was ignored. *We usually let her clean off our dinner plates and it is a highlight of her day. Hi Janet, I don't have a lot of experience with this, but my parent's late cat had hyperthryoid, and indeed, they are generally ravenous and lose weight. You certainly have cause to be concerned of an underlying cause. Has she had any x-rays or ultrasounds to find any possible tumors or anything else unusual? Are there any internal specialists your vet could refer you to instead? In the meantime, I strongly urge you to forcefeed your kitty until the appointment. If you need some tips on that, feel free to email me. It's not fun, but she needs nourishment right now. Hugs, Rene |
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Hyperthyroid and borderline CRF cat declining
In article
, "Rene S." wrote: You certainly have cause to be concerned of an underlying cause. Everything I've read seems to point to that as well as what my vets have said. Has she had any x-rays or ultrasounds to find any possible tumors or anything else unusual? Are there any internal specialists your vet could refer you to instead? We have had ultrasounds and x-rays and not found anything. I admit that I'm not sure about the internal specialist route. Not that I haven't consulted them before, but my experiences with dogs with internal cancerous tumors leads me to believe that I would not choose surgery. I've done the heroic route and I'm not sure it is the right one, for so many reasons. That doesn't make me feel any better though! In the meantime, I strongly urge you to forcefeed your kitty until the appointment. If you need some tips on that, feel free to email me. It's not fun, but she needs nourishment right now. She is really not herself and I popped her a cyproheptadine a bit ago to see if I can stimulate her appetite. If that doesn't trigger something before long, I will e-mail you. -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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Hyperthyroid and borderline CRF cat declining
"Janet Boss" wrote in message ... She is not interested in eating. I got her favorite roasted chicken, and while she'll take a bite or two, that's it. I have had to take her to her food, as she has not come in to the room seeking it. I offered her food off my plate last evening and it was ignored. We usually let her clean off our dinner plates and it is a highlight of her day. While I know that tapazole is a possibility as well as radioactive iodine, I'm concerned that there is and underlying issue that is causing her to not eat, Its called "apethetic hyperthyroidism". The ravenous appetite is replaced by inappetence and eventually complete anorexia. These symptoms usually resolve after hyperthyroidism is treated successfully or cured with I-131 tx and also aware that the hyperthyroid treatments could send her kidneys into a tailspin. Hyperthyroid treatments don't send kidneys into tailspins. Hyperthyroidism can mask preexisting kidney disease by increasing renal blood flow and the glomerular filtration rate (GFR), making the kidneys look like they're in better shape than they actually are. When hyperthyroidism is treated, the GFR and renal blood flow return to normal which can cause the BUN/Cr. to rise significantly in cats with preexisting underlying kidney disease. To avoid a kidney crisis, simply choose a conservative and reversible therapy such as oral or transdermal methimazole and monitor her kidney values. If her kidney values (BUN/Cr) rise while she's taking methimazole simply manipulate the dose until you strike a balance between an "acceptable" level of hyperthyroidism and an "acceptable" level of azotemia. OTOH, if her kidney values remain stable while on methimazole, she'd probably be a low-risk candidate for I-131- which is a permanent cure. That's the route I took with my hyperthyroid cat two years ago and she's been thriving ever since. |
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Hyperthyroid and borderline CRF cat declining
"Phil P." wrote: Hyperthyroid treatments don't send kidneys into tailspins. Hyperthyroidism can mask preexisting kidney disease by increasing renal blood flow and the glomerular filtration rate (GFR), making the kidneys look like they're in better shape than they actually are. When hyperthyroidism is treated, the GFR and renal blood flow return to normal which can cause the BUN/Cr. to rise significantly in cats with preexisting underlying kidney disease. To avoid a kidney crisis, simply choose a conservative and reversible therapy such as oral or transdermal methimazole and monitor her kidney values. If her kidney values (BUN/Cr) rise while she's taking methimazole simply manipulate the dose until you strike a balance between an "acceptable" level of hyperthyroidism and an "acceptable" level of azotemia. OTOH, if her kidney values remain stable while on methimazole, she'd probably be a low-risk candidate for I-131- which is a permanent cure. That's the route I took with my hyperthyroid cat two years ago and she's been thriving ever since. Phil, you are so good on so many issues, but have been particularly helpful on this one, for me. Boo is doing great, by the way. Shiny, feisty, and trim. |
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Hyperthyroid and borderline CRF cat declining
In article qQd3k.225$ul.75@trndny08, "Phil P."
wrote: To avoid a kidney crisis, simply choose a conservative and reversible therapy such as oral or transdermal methimazole and monitor her kidney values. If her kidney values (BUN/Cr) rise while she's taking methimazole simply manipulate the dose until you strike a balance between an "acceptable" level of hyperthyroidism and an "acceptable" level of azotemia. OTOH, if her kidney values remain stable while on methimazole, she'd probably be a low-risk candidate for I-131- which is a permanent cure. That's the route I took with my hyperthyroid cat two years ago and she's been thriving ever since. Thank you. I doubt we'll do the iodine treatment, but we really have to take one day at a time I suppose. I'll be talking to my vet about all of this on Thursday. Meanwhile, I've gotten her to eat a bit and bought her some junk food to try as well. When she wasn't interested in kitty crack (Evo dry), that was the real shocker. -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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Hyperthyroid and borderline CRF cat declining
"cybercat" wrote in message . com... "Phil P." wrote: Phil, you are so good on so many issues, but have been particularly helpful on this one, for me. Boo is doing great, by the way. Shiny, feisty, and trim. I'm glad to hear she's doing great and that I was able to help. Thankfully, my little 14 y/o has also been doing great since the I-131 tx 2 years ago. I'm not sure I would have opted for the I-131 tx if she didn't become inappetent from methimazole, but now I'm glad I did. |
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Hyperthyroid and borderline CRF cat declining
Just an update here - I've gotten her eating with the Cyproheptadine.
She actually ASKED for dinner and breakfast. Unfortunately, she also barfed a few times and peed on the loveseat and had loose stool in her box. She had solid stool in her box this morning though. She's still pretty weak and fragile. We'll keep plugging until Thursday and hope our vet visit is optimistic. It's 100 degrees here and we have AC on of course. She gets cold easily. I've tried heating her warm pad and giving her a blanket in her bed to snuggle into, but she gets annoyed. She insists on hanging out in the family room cat bed, although the guest room one is a lot warmer. I may have to move her stuff up there and force the issue. I can't believe that feeling warmer would be a bad thing! -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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Hyperthyroid and borderline CRF cat declining
"Janet Boss" wrote in message ... In article qQd3k.225$ul.75@trndny08, "Phil P." wrote: To avoid a kidney crisis, simply choose a conservative and reversible therapy such as oral or transdermal methimazole and monitor her kidney values. If her kidney values (BUN/Cr) rise while she's taking methimazole simply manipulate the dose until you strike a balance between an "acceptable" level of hyperthyroidism and an "acceptable" level of azotemia. OTOH, if her kidney values remain stable while on methimazole, she'd probably be a low-risk candidate for I-131- which is a permanent cure. That's the route I took with my hyperthyroid cat two years ago and she's been thriving ever since. Thank you. I doubt we'll do the iodine treatment, but we really have to take one day at a time I suppose. You might not have a choice. 15-20% of the cats treated with methimazole develop adverse reactions- one of which is inappetence as my cat did. It wasn't from the bitter taste since I put the pill in a #4 gelcap so she never tasted the med. I also tried the flavored suspension and the transdermal gel. If you decide to treat her with methimazole, I strongly suggest you put the pill in a gelcap because if she ever gets a taste of the stuff pilling her will become a nightmare. Good luck, Phil |
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Hyperthyroid and borderline CRF cat declining
In article xgu3k.1363$Mu.511@trndny07, "Phil P."
wrote: If you decide to treat her with methimazole, I strongly suggest you put the pill in a gelcap because if she ever gets a taste of the stuff pilling her will become a nightmare. Where do I get gelcaps? I'll go hunting. She is very easy to pill and I sure don't want to ruin that! -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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