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2 cats are harder
my late hubby, Rick thought 2 cats would be easier sense at the time
we would spend days away from home when he was in the hosp....we only them alone for 24 hrs..w/lights & radio on plus extra food and a new toy after that one of my daughters would come in and help as child I grew up w/dogs as an adult w/cats...this is the first time I've had 2 cats always been a single cat household.....was told by several friends how much easier it is with 2 cats (if they get along) since they keep each company & always have the other to play with also though cats didn't do the dominate thing like dogs do...Rudy is the boss, like to climb on Moe pin him down and bite his neck, then keep him there for a bit if I play with them it can't be done togther...Rudy won't allow Moe to play and Moe just makes a half ass jesture to so I play with Rudy then put in a bdrm then it's Moes turn to play they have one of those tall thingies to climb and strach its kept in the spare bdrm in front of a window...Moe isn't allowed on the top roost they're big guys and both weigh the same at 16 lbs, also tall when on hind legs and they do that often, they're paws reach to top of my hip they are very active, non-stop play & aggersion....loving too though....but if i'm petting one guy and other comes in the one cat has to leave there are now 3 to 3 1/2...ins't it about time they calmed down a bit? I used to thing my place was too small but they only they knew for 8 months of life was a cage in the SPCA, they were kept togther...I figure after that, this place must seem huge also been told by several ppl they've never seen cats that shed so much....I do have the furminator only Moe allows brushing...also got that spray for shedding I knew they wouldn't allow me to spray them so I heated it up a bit and soaked in a old washcloth....OMG you would have I was sticking them w/pins they shed all year long I had thought abt trying to get them a better home as in larger and w/ ppl that give them more attention...if not playing with each they want to be my lap all the time but have decided we're family & can''t get along all the time ensoul An eye for an eye only leads to more blindness. ~Margaret Atwood |
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2 cats are harder
On Dec 15, 11:24*pm, ensoul wrote:
my late hubby, Rick thought 2 cats would be easier sense at the time we would spend days away from home when he was in the hosp....we only them alone for 24 hrs..w/lights & radio on plus extra food and a new toy after that one of my daughters would come in and help as child I grew up w/dogs as an adult w/cats...this is the first time I've had 2 cats always been a single cat household.....was told by several friends how much easier it is with 2 cats (if they get along) since they keep each company & always have the other to play with also though cats didn't do the dominate thing like dogs do...Rudy is the boss, like to climb on Moe pin him down and bite his neck, then keep him there for a bit if I play with them it can't be done togther...Rudy won't allow Moe to play and Moe just makes a half ass jesture to so I play with Rudy then put in a bdrm then it's Moes turn to play they have one of those tall thingies to climb and strach its kept in the spare bdrm in front of a window...Moe isn't allowed on the top roost they're big guys and both weigh the same at 16 *lbs, also tall when on hind legs and they do that often, they're paws reach to top of my hip they are very active, non-stop play & aggersion....loving too though....but if i'm petting one guy and other comes in the one cat has to leave there are now 3 to 3 1/2...ins't it about time they calmed down a bit? I used to thing my place was too small but they only they knew for 8 months of life was a cage in the SPCA, they were kept togther...I figure after that, this place must seem huge also been told by several ppl they've never seen cats that shed so much....I do have the furminator only Moe allows brushing...also got that spray for shedding I knew they wouldn't allow me to spray them so I heated it up a bit and soaked in a old washcloth....OMG you would have I was sticking them w/pins they shed all year long I had thought abt trying to get them a better home as in larger and w/ ppl that give them more attention...if not playing with each they want to be my lap all the time but have decided we're family & can''t get along all the time ensoul An eye for an eye only leads to more blindness. * *~Margaret Atwood Have they been neutered yet? |
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2 cats are harder
2 cats are harder -- but have decided we're family & can''t get along all the time
If you can manage it, the cats are a lot happier having a real friend. I've done it both ways. Carol Wilson, Cat Artist http://www.cafepress.com/carolwilsoncats http://CarolWilsonCatArt.imagekind.com |
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2 cats are harder
On Dec 16, 10:49*am, Debby Hanoka wrote:
On Dec 15, 11:24*pm, ensoul wrote: my late hubby, Rick thought 2 cats would be easier sense at the time we would spend days away from home when he was in the hosp....we only them alone for 24 hrs..w/lights & radio on plus extra food and a new toy after that one of my daughters would come in and help as child I grew up w/dogs as an adult w/cats...this is the first time I've had 2 cats always been a single cat household.....was told by several friends how much easier it is with 2 cats (if they get along) since they keep each company & always have the other to play with also though cats didn't do the dominate thing like dogs do...Rudy is the boss, like to climb on Moe pin him down and bite his neck, then keep him there for a bit if I play with them it can't be done togther...Rudy won't allow Moe to play and Moe just makes a half ass jesture to so I play with Rudy then put in a bdrm then it's Moes turn to play they have one of those tall thingies to climb and strach its kept in the spare bdrm in front of a window...Moe isn't allowed on the top roost they're big guys and both weigh the same at 16 *lbs, also tall when on hind legs and they do that often, they're paws reach to top of my hip they are very active, non-stop play & aggersion....loving too though....but if i'm petting one guy and other comes in the one cat has to leave there are now 3 to 3 1/2...ins't it about time they calmed down a bit? I used to thing my place was too small but they only they knew for 8 months of life was a cage in the SPCA, they were kept togther...I figure after that, this place must seem huge also been told by several ppl they've never seen cats that shed so much....I do have the furminator only Moe allows brushing...also got that spray for shedding I knew they wouldn't allow me to spray them so I heated it up a bit and soaked in a old washcloth....OMG you would have I was sticking them w/pins they shed all year long I had thought abt trying to get them a better home as in larger and w/ ppl that give them more attention...if not playing with each they want to be my lap all the time but have decided we're family & can''t get along all the time ensoul An eye for an eye only leads to more blindness. * *~Margaret Atwood Have they been neutered yet?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - oh yes, never have cats that aren't neutred had been nuetred when we got them at 8 months of age ensoul |
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2 cats are harder
Suddenly, without warning, ensoul exclaimed (12/15/2008 11:24 PM):
my late hubby, Rick thought 2 cats would be easier sense at the time we would spend days away from home when he was in the hosp....we only them alone for 24 hrs..w/lights & radio on plus extra food and a new toy after that one of my daughters would come in and help as child I grew up w/dogs as an adult w/cats...this is the first time I've had 2 cats always been a single cat household.....was told by several friends how much easier it is with 2 cats (if they get along) since they keep each company & always have the other to play with also though cats didn't do the dominate thing like dogs do...Rudy is the boss, like to climb on Moe pin him down and bite his neck, then keep him there for a bit if I play with them it can't be done togther...Rudy won't allow Moe to play and Moe just makes a half ass jesture to so I play with Rudy then put in a bdrm then it's Moes turn to play they have one of those tall thingies to climb and strach its kept in the spare bdrm in front of a window...Moe isn't allowed on the top roost they're big guys and both weigh the same at 16 lbs, also tall when on hind legs and they do that often, they're paws reach to top of my hip they are very active, non-stop play & aggersion....loving too though....but if i'm petting one guy and other comes in the one cat has to leave there are now 3 to 3 1/2...ins't it about time they calmed down a bit? I used to thing my place was too small but they only they knew for 8 months of life was a cage in the SPCA, they were kept togther...I figure after that, this place must seem huge also been told by several ppl they've never seen cats that shed so much....I do have the furminator only Moe allows brushing...also got that spray for shedding I knew they wouldn't allow me to spray them so I heated it up a bit and soaked in a old washcloth....OMG you would have I was sticking them w/pins they shed all year long I had thought abt trying to get them a better home as in larger and w/ ppl that give them more attention...if not playing with each they want to be my lap all the time but have decided we're family & can''t get along all the time ensoul An eye for an eye only leads to more blindness. ~Margaret Atwood As to the shedding - are you feeding canned food? Meep shed like a tree loses leaves in the fall when she was on dry food. She sheds A LOT less now that she's eating exclusively wet/canned food. jmc |
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Please forgive the top-posting. Please note the interpolations.
On Dec 15, 11:24*pm, ensoul wrote: my late hubby, Rick thought 2 cats would be easier sense at the time we would spend days away from home when he was in the hosp....we only them alone for 24 hrs..w/lights & radio on plus extra food and a new toy after that one of my daughters would come in and help as child I grew up w/dogs as an adult w/cats...this is the first time I've had 2 cats always been a single cat household.....was told by several friends how much easier it is with 2 cats (if they get along) since they keep each company & always have the other to play with also though cats didn't do the dominate thing like dogs do...Rudy is the boss, like to climb on Moe pin him down and bite his neck, then keep him there for a bit Cats absolutely and positively have a pecking order. Typically, it is by seniority - the older or first cat in a household dominates the younger or newer even if there are substantial size differences. And, if there happen to be three cats, two will gang up on the third. Adult cats are far more likely to tolerate a new cat if that new cat is brought in as a kitten. And you will notice some interesting behavior - initally the older/dominant cat will defer to a kitten, let it eat first, allow it to tussle, pounce or otherwise 'abuse' the senior, and sometimes actually indulge in grooming the kitten. Even neutered males will do this on occasion. Introducing a new adult cat, especially a dominant cat from somewhere else will cause all kinds of problems if the previous situation has been stable for a long time. Try to avoid this if at all possible, especially if there is not a great deal of separation (space and multiple rooms) available. if I play with them it can't be done togther...Rudy won't allow Moe to play and Moe just makes a half ass jesture to You need to become the dominant cat. You are allowing Rudy to dominate you. The point here is that you need to keep your cats "kittenized" in order for them to get along with each other at the same time they get along with you. That is a tough row to hoe as cats neither understand nor respond to punishment or 'time out' or other sorts of discipline as would a dog. so I play with Rudy then put in a bdrm then it's Moes turn to play they have one of those tall thingies to climb and strach its kept in the spare bdrm in front of a window...Moe isn't allowed on the top roost Normal cat behavior. They will establish their pecking order, eventually. they're big guys and both weigh the same at 16 *lbs, also tall when on hind legs and they do that often, they're paws reach to top of my hip they are very active, non-stop play & aggersion....loving too though....but if i'm petting one guy and other comes in the one cat has to leave there are now 3 to 3 1/2...ins't it about time they calmed down a bit? Depends on what you mean by "calmed down". If they are still receiving confusing signals (more on this later) they will continue to try and establish 'proper order'. You may be confusing them such that they cannot achieve this state. I used to thing my place was too small but they only they knew for 8 months of life was a cage in the SPCA, they were kept togther...I figure after that, this place must seem huge Not hardly. The cell is merely a bit larger. A healthy normal cat (and VERY, VERY, VERY few domestic house pets are even faintly normal in terms of cat behavior) will have a territory of over a square mile depending on prey density. Females very slightly smaller than males - but that is due to mating behaviors, not territorial imperatives. But that is entirely irrelevant to the discussion other than as a point of departure and something for a cat-minder to keep in mind when diagnosing behavior issues. also been told by several ppl they've never seen cats that shed so much....I do have the furminator only Moe allows brushing...also got that spray for shedding I knew they wouldn't allow me to spray them so I heated it up a bit and soaked in a old washcloth....OMG you would have I was sticking them w/pins Shedding all-year-round in a temperate climate (one with actual seasons) and where the cat actually experiences that climate (100% indoor cats DO NOT experience seasons in any meaningful way) is a sign of stress. And much of the behavior you are describing is also indicative of stress. Don't take this the wrong way - all situations (for cats, especially) where relationships and good order are still in question is stressful. So you need to help them establish good order. they shed all year long In part, they don't know what time of the year it is if they are 100% indoor cats. This is a stresser all by itself. I had thought abt trying to get them a better home as in larger and w/ ppl that give them more attention...if not playing with each they want to be my lap all the time Actually that is a good sign - you are kittenizing them. But you *MUST* be consistent and do not give them mixed signals. Cats are entirely apart from, foreign to, and uncaring of the concept of 'fairness'. That is an entirely human frailty and has no place in how you behave towards your cats. You are their parent, you are the provider of food (but they consider us particularly inept hunters as we are always feeding them grains and cold dead things) the provider of attention, warmth and general parenthood. A normal cat gets over this at about twelve weeks. People wish to keep their cats in this state their entire lives. No wonder they are confused. but have decided we're family & can''t get along all the time Not true as far as your cats are concerned. Once good order is established, they will get along 100% of the time. There will be ritual behavior, ritual testings and occasional spats. But those are almost entirely and nearly purely rituals. The rest of the time they will tussle, play, get along and pretty much live their lives according to specific and very clearly defined (to them) rules and rituals. It is incumbent on you to observe them well enough to get a feel for what these rules might be - and then go along with them. Remember, cats could care less about "fairness" whichever side of the equation they might be on from your perspective. ___________________________ So: here is a rant that I posted on another group indoor vs. outdoor. But much of it applies he What I find ineffably sad is the general lack of understanding of the nature of cats, their evolutionary history and their place in the food chain. a) They are top-of-the food-chain hunters. b) They are obligatory carnivores. c) They require fresh prey (they are not carrion-eaters). d) They prefer warm-blooded prey (and their 'mechanics' support this). e) They are most active (hunt) at dawn and dusk (crepuscular). f) A normal cat will not kill for sport. g) A normal cat will have a territory of from a square mile to several square miles depending on prey density. Female cats will tend to have a slightly smaller territory than males as males will roam further to mate. And - many cats will have overlapping territories. h) For these purposes, we will ignore mating and social behaviors - a whole 'nother thing. There are a number of things that go with the above - high 'normal' body temperature (101 - 102.2F) and rapid heartbeat (140 - 220bpm). This allows them to have extremely rapid reflexes in order to make their kill-pounce after whatever stalking they may have done. The only vegetative matter they will get in the wild will be either in their preys' stomachs or their occasional browse of fresh grasses and mints for roughage. A 'normal' cat would not eat corn meal or wheat-gluten meal on a bet, even if half-starved (more on 'normal' later). Nor would they eat things they have not killed themselves - however fresh. They get over that state at about 10 - 12 weeks of age. Their ear- patches are sensitive to infra-red - this allows them to 'follow' their prey underground, or in a tree, or in a pile of brush or wood (or behind a wall). Many times, they detect prey by differentiation of heat and by movement. And lastly, they have relatively poor detail- vision and relatively poor close-vision and limited color sense (but are absolutely not color-blind). A healthy cat will sleep between 16 and 22 hours per day, if there is sufficient prey. Model of a "Normal" cat: Either the European Wild Cat, or the North African Wild Cat - both capable of interbreeding, both will interbreed with domestic cats. So, what do we do with this sort of a creature? We trap it in what to it is a very, very small cage. We feed it mostly grains and cold, dead things in general. We expect it to be at its most active when we are at our most active. We expect it to be sweet, soft and purr on command. We deny its nature and natural requirements as a top-of-the-food- chain predator. We, too often, cut its fingers off at the first knuckle (de-claw). And we expect it to remain a kitten for the entirety of its life. And, worst of all, we get upset at *IT* when it acts out under these entirely unnatural, infernally boring, dull, limited conditions. ___________________ Things you can do to help: Provide multiple toys - tethered squeaky-mice are good - sufficiently far from each other that one cat cannot dominate all of them. But within view and/or earshot if possible. Play behavior stimulates kitten behavior. Allow them to be demand-eaters - if your cats are overweight or have ever been starved, this may be impossible as they will eat until they burst if they can. But if they do leave food in the bowl, make sure fresh water and fresh food (dry) is available 100% of the time. This reduces stress and with plentiful prey the cats do not act out so strongly for territory - and for the record - *YOU* are part of their territory. Our rule-of-thumb is Two Bowls for dry food sufficiently far apart so that both may eat simultaneously. ONE bowl for wet (treat) food, served 2X per day at their most active hours (~6:00am and ~7:00pm) Just as wild familial cats will share fresh prey and mostly hunt during these hours - this fits their natural behaviors. On weekends, we do sleep late, but if I get up in the middle of the night, I will put the food out for their morning hunt. Allow them to have something that is "their space" our older cat has a leather chair that he uses, the younger has a cat-bed that he uses. When the cat is in that location, neither you, nor any other creature in the household should disturb them - best not even to interact with them unless invited. It is OK to put them out of the room (both or neither), but not one away from you and the other with. That makes them nervous and stresses them - it is NOT jealousy, but that they are acutely involved with their environment and activities that they cannot observe are taken as direct threats unless *you* are with them - the dominant cat. You are starting to get the picture. Yes, two cats are much easier - for the cats. Not necessarily for you. And, just as with people, sometimes cats just don't like each other. Imagine your worst possible choice for a roommate - add chiggers and flatulence - you might get an inkling on how cats respond to things that they just DO NOT like. And imagine the stress on them. Good luck. Lighten up on yourself and the cats. It should work itself out if you stop trying so hard. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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