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Cat feeding dilemma
Need some suggestions. My cat, Meep, is nearly 13 and has cystitis.
She also hates wet food and craves - dare I say obsesses? - over dry food. She's very fussy. For her first 7 years, she got dry food (Iams). Then she got cystitis, so for a few years she got dry for one feed and wet for the other, but she continued to have problems, even when the dry was Royal Canin Urinary. It took close to three years, but now she's totally on wet food & she hasn't had an attack in over a year. It's wet food of her choice though, so senior and urinary foods aren't on the menu. Wellness, Evo, and Max Cat, at the moment. The problem is, she won't eat enough of it, and is skinny. If I try to supplement with any dry at all though - even just stashing a half dozen or so Greenies around the house so she has to hunt for them - she eats even *less* wet food. If I actually feed her dry food in her bowl, she's likely to stop eating the wet food altogether, hoping I'll give in and give her more dry. If I get anywhere near the greenies, or rustle a bag anywhere, she's there begging for dry food. I know she's begging for DRY and not FOOD, because if I put some food out, if it's not dry, she shakes a paw and walks away. I'm at wits' end. Most of her life she's always been a bit pudgy, now I can feel her ribs and her spine through her fur. Yes, I've talked to the vet (but not in detail about feeding), her weight loss isn't from anything else but stubbornness, really. I'm currently trying mixing some dry into her wet, though I thought that wasn't a good idea due to dry food going bad quicker when moist. Her food stays out all day, because she's a grazer, had a hard enough time retraining her to wet food, didn't manage to train her to scarf the whole thing up at once (she *really* got skinny when I tried). She is perfectly capable of refusing to eat for days, if the food isn't what *she* wants. This is the battle we've been fighting. I was thinking maybe canned kitten food? But would that be safe for an older cat? Her other health problems are joint and bone issues, and a slight cardiomyopathy I suspect she's had since birth. Any suggestions appreciated! jmc |
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On Feb 22, 7:37*am, jmc wrote:
Need some suggestions. *My cat, Meep, is nearly 13 and has cystitis. She also hates wet food and craves - dare I say obsesses? - over dry food. *She's very fussy. For her first 7 years, she got dry food (Iams). *Then she got cystitis, so for a few years she got dry for one feed and wet for the other, but she continued to have problems, even when the dry was Royal Canin Urinary. *It took close to three years, but now she's totally on wet food & she hasn't had an attack in over a year. *It's wet food of her choice though, so senior and urinary foods aren't on the menu. Wellness, Evo, and Max Cat, at the moment. The problem is, she won't eat enough of it, and is skinny. *If I try to supplement with any dry at all though - even just stashing a half dozen or so Greenies around the house so she has to hunt for them - she eats even *less* wet food. If I actually feed her dry food in her bowl, she's likely to stop eating the wet food altogether, hoping I'll give in and give her more dry. If I get anywhere near the greenies, or rustle a bag anywhere, she's there begging for dry food. *I know she's begging for DRY and not FOOD, because if I put some food out, if it's not dry, she shakes a paw and walks away. I'm at wits' end. *Most of her life she's always been a bit pudgy, now I can feel her ribs and her spine through her fur. *Yes, I've talked to the vet (but not in detail about feeding), her weight loss isn't from anything else but stubbornness, really. I'm currently trying mixing some dry into her wet, though I thought that wasn't a good idea due to dry food going bad quicker when moist. *Her food stays out all day, because she's a grazer, had a hard enough time retraining her to wet food, didn't manage to train her to scarf the whole thing up at once (she *really* got skinny when I tried). *She is perfectly capable of refusing to eat for days, if the food isn't what *she* wants. *This is the battle we've been fighting. I was thinking maybe canned kitten food? *But would that be safe for an older cat? *Her other health problems are joint and bone issues, and a slight cardiomyopathy I suspect she's had since birth. Any suggestions appreciated! jmc Get advice from your vet for food, treatment and so forth. Kitten food is high in fat and protein, perhaps more than is healthy for a full-grown cat. There are good high-animal-protein dry foods out there and you can feed your cat 'people-food' with the proper supplements if she will take it. But, start with your vet and go from there. "Skinny" is not necessarily a bad thing either. Again, your vet will give you a weight-chart and let you know what is a good weight range. But generally, you want to be able to feel the individual vertebrae on the spine with a little fat-coating over the ribs - she has ribs, but they are not sticking out - if you get the balance. And a definite waist. Of course, you have had her checked for all sorts of 'other' causes? Parasites, other infections and so forth? Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PS |
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On Feb 22, 4:37*am, jmc wrote:
Need some suggestions. *My cat, Meep, is nearly 13 and has cystitis. She also hates wet food and craves - dare I say obsesses? - over dry food. *She's very fussy. For her first 7 years, she got dry food (Iams). *Then she got cystitis, so for a few years she got dry for one feed and wet for the other, but she continued to have problems, even when the dry was Royal Canin Urinary. *It took close to three years, but now she's totally on wet food & she hasn't had an attack in over a year. *It's wet food of her choice though, so senior and urinary foods aren't on the menu. Wellness, Evo, and Max Cat, at the moment. The problem is, she won't eat enough of it, and is skinny. *If I try to supplement with any dry at all though - even just stashing a half dozen or so Greenies around the house so she has to hunt for them - she eats even *less* wet food. If I actually feed her dry food in her bowl, she's likely to stop eating the wet food altogether, hoping I'll give in and give her more dry. If I get anywhere near the greenies, or rustle a bag anywhere, she's there begging for dry food. *I know she's begging for DRY and not FOOD, because if I put some food out, if it's not dry, she shakes a paw and walks away. I'm at wits' end. *Most of her life she's always been a bit pudgy, now I can feel her ribs and her spine through her fur. *Yes, I've talked to the vet (but not in detail about feeding), her weight loss isn't from anything else but stubbornness, really. I'm currently trying mixing some dry into her wet, though I thought that wasn't a good idea due to dry food going bad quicker when moist. *Her food stays out all day, because she's a grazer, had a hard enough time retraining her to wet food, didn't manage to train her to scarf the whole thing up at once (she *really* got skinny when I tried). *She is perfectly capable of refusing to eat for days, if the food isn't what *she* wants. *This is the battle we've been fighting. I was thinking maybe canned kitten food? *But would that be safe for an older cat? *Her other health problems are joint and bone issues, and a slight cardiomyopathy I suspect she's had since birth. Any suggestions appreciated! jmc My cat has cystitis and she eats wellness wet chicken or turkey and I supplement with Royal Canin SO. I also sprinkle one capsule each meal on her wet food of Cosequin which is for joints as well as helps with urinary/cystitis. It has helped tremendously with her cystitis and she likes the cosequin on her food. It is made for cats and I get it from the vet. It is just a food supplement so no harm. She is fat, from previously being on CD which was twice as much fat as SO. That is why I switched to SO. I am cutting them down on the SO dry food as she, like yours, would live on that if she had her way. I do not feed a lot of wet food as I just heard that supposedly is where the weight gain is. From my experience, I don't think so, I think the fat and weight gain comes from the dry food, but ..... Anyway, I will probably never wean these two from "beans" as we call them. We add a bit of water to the wet food as well to add to the water intake. They also get distilled water or filtered water from the fridge. I also add ice cubes to it (Ms Priss will sit at the water dish waiting for me to add the cubes)! What we do for these "kids". I am very concerned about the weight as the one cat does have a heart murmur and I worry about cardiomyopathy, which I previously lost a kitty to at age 9 which is early for me losing kitties. Mine usually live at least 13 to 18 years. Sue -- firefighter mom, Rabid UW Dawg fan |
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On Feb 22, 11:52*am, jmc
*I hate that this seems to be a choice between "too thin cat" and regular cystitis attacks! Try this - *AFTER* - clearing it with your vet. Obtain a nutmeg grater: Obtain all-natural Vitamin C, the kind that comes in the fat brown pills and is derived from rose hips or some similar source. Brown pills. Get the biggest pills possible for easy grating. Grate a small amount of the stuff onto your cat's food each day. Operative word is _SMALL_ - a few milligrams or so per half-cup. This will acidify your cat's urine, greatly reducing the potential for cystitis. It will also make your cat a bit thirsty, so it will drink more. Also a good thing. We did this for one of our cats for a number of years. From the time we started it, the cystitis stopped cold and never came back. But - he was on the C for several years before we tapered him off. Tuna and Salmon may be obtained cheaply if you ask your local supermarket (if you have one that listens) for their cuttings. Stuff that would be work for you to eat, but for a cat is just perfect. Try other sorts of fish as well. You would be amazed at the amount of stuff that is just wasted. Perfect for chowders, by the way, if you are looking for a cooking tip. Flakes and bits do well in soups. Peter Wieck Melrose Park, PA |
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Suddenly, without warning, sudee exclaimed (2/23/2009 12:08 AM):
On Feb 22, 4:37 am, jmc wrote: Need some suggestions. My cat, Meep, is nearly 13 and has cystitis. She also hates wet food and craves - dare I say obsesses? - over dry food. She's very fussy. For her first 7 years, she got dry food (Iams). Then she got cystitis, so for a few years she got dry for one feed and wet for the other, but she continued to have problems, even when the dry was Royal Canin Urinary. It took close to three years, but now she's totally on wet food & she hasn't had an attack in over a year. It's wet food of her choice though, so senior and urinary foods aren't on the menu. Wellness, Evo, and Max Cat, at the moment. The problem is, she won't eat enough of it, and is skinny. If I try to supplement with any dry at all though - even just stashing a half dozen or so Greenies around the house so she has to hunt for them - she eats even *less* wet food. If I actually feed her dry food in her bowl, she's likely to stop eating the wet food altogether, hoping I'll give in and give her more dry. If I get anywhere near the greenies, or rustle a bag anywhere, she's there begging for dry food. I know she's begging for DRY and not FOOD, because if I put some food out, if it's not dry, she shakes a paw and walks away. I'm at wits' end. Most of her life she's always been a bit pudgy, now I can feel her ribs and her spine through her fur. Yes, I've talked to the vet (but not in detail about feeding), her weight loss isn't from anything else but stubbornness, really. I'm currently trying mixing some dry into her wet, though I thought that wasn't a good idea due to dry food going bad quicker when moist. Her food stays out all day, because she's a grazer, had a hard enough time retraining her to wet food, didn't manage to train her to scarf the whole thing up at once (she *really* got skinny when I tried). She is perfectly capable of refusing to eat for days, if the food isn't what *she* wants. This is the battle we've been fighting. I was thinking maybe canned kitten food? But would that be safe for an older cat? Her other health problems are joint and bone issues, and a slight cardiomyopathy I suspect she's had since birth. Any suggestions appreciated! jmc My cat has cystitis and she eats wellness wet chicken or turkey and I supplement with Royal Canin SO. I also sprinkle one capsule each meal on her wet food of Cosequin which is for joints as well as helps with urinary/cystitis. It has helped tremendously with her cystitis and she likes the cosequin on her food. It is made for cats and I get it from the vet. It is just a food supplement so no harm. She is fat, from previously being on CD which was twice as much fat as SO. That is why I switched to SO. I am cutting them down on the SO dry food as she, like yours, would live on that if she had her way. I do not feed a lot of wet food as I just heard that supposedly is where the weight gain is. From my experience, I don't think so, I think the fat and weight gain comes from the dry food, but ..... Anyway, I will probably never wean these two from "beans" as we call them. We add a bit of water to the wet food as well to add to the water intake. They also get distilled water or filtered water from the fridge. I also add ice cubes to it (Ms Priss will sit at the water dish waiting for me to add the cubes)! What we do for these "kids". I am very concerned about the weight as the one cat does have a heart murmur and I worry about cardiomyopathy, which I previously lost a kitty to at age 9 which is early for me losing kitties. Mine usually live at least 13 to 18 years. Sue -- firefighter mom, Rabid UW Dawg fan Yea, you do everything I do. Meep gets her glucosamine from a different source - I use a joint formula, same stuff, extra benefits (she has joint issues too). She also gets a bit extra water on her food, and gets some filtered water (it's all from the Britta when we're in hard water areas). Meep also has a cardiomyopathy and started showing a murmur oh, 5 or 6 years ago. I now think that she's had the cardiomyopathy from birth. It's not bad enough for treatment. All that's happened is that the murmur went from intermittent - probably was like that most of her life; vet heard it once when she was 7 or so, then not again for a while. Just within the last couple of years, vet started hearing it ever visit, but it's only a Grade 3 so she just gets regular checkups. So the heart issue isn't necessarily a death sentence, Meep's almost 13 now. And I agree, the fat and weight gain were all from the dry food. jmc |
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On Feb 22, 7:37*am, jmc wrote:
Any suggestions appreciated! jmc Just give her what you want her to have and pet her on the head don't make any eye contact with her after you put her food down just go on with your day and stuff part of this, sounds like she enjoys controlling you! omg |
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Sue wrote:
I also sprinkle one capsule each meal on her wet food of Cosequin which is for joints as well as helps with urinary/cystitis. It has helped tremendously with her cystitis and she likes the cosequin on her food. It is made for cats and I get it from the vet. You can also order it from Amazon.com. It's a lot cheaper than getting it from the vet. ---MIKE--- In the White Mountains of New Hampshire (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') |
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Suddenly, without warning, ---MIKE--- exclaimed (2/23/2009 2:16 PM):
Sue wrote: I also sprinkle one capsule each meal on her wet food of Cosequin which is for joints as well as helps with urinary/cystitis. It has helped tremendously with her cystitis and she likes the cosequin on her food. It is made for cats and I get it from the vet. You can also order it from Amazon.com. It's a lot cheaper than getting it from the vet. ---MIKE--- In the White Mountains of New Hampshire (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') Or look into Joint Care (it's still glucosamine, and has been blessed for cystitis use by my vet) from Drs Fosters and Smith. You can get it in a great big jar of powder, mine will last me 8 months or more at current consumption. It's liver flavored too, so Meep loves it. jmc |
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What kind of a feeding schedule are you on? If you're feeding canned
food, it's best to feed two meals a day, about 12 hours apart. You can warm the food slightly to entice her to eat. I would also NOT have any bags of dry food, treats, etc. available at all. When I transitioned my oldest cat to canned from dry, it was easiest to not have any evidence of dry food at all. |
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