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Old November 19th 04, 01:37 AM
Christina Websell
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I'm very upset. I've mailed for quite a few years to an American woman that
I knew from my chicken group. We got on pretty well.
Last year she forwarded me a mail that I considered to be racist, but it was
only a few hours before I was due to fly to visit my German friend, so I
mailed a disapproving reply and said I'd like to discuss it with her when I
got back. I never did.

A few weeks ago she started to forward me pro-Bush mails. Well, I'm sorry,
but he seems to be a bit shall we say intellectually challenged, so I said
so.

But now, she is sending what seems to some sort of fundamental Christian
mails to me. Extremely racist, homophobic and right wing. I have
challenged her on every mail and she just got cross and said I was a stupid
liberal. There is more, but I won't bore you with it. I just won't have
her tell me that she refuses to let anyone into America and if so they must
speak English. For G's sake. If she was true to her word she ought to
speak Native American. It isn't her country, after all.

I told her I don't want to have a friend who thinks like this. She told me
she doesn't want to have a friend that is ineducable about what is going on
in America.

It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot tolerate a
racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right.
I can't see that being a racist and a bigot is right in any country. She
quotes the Bible at me. I told her that I didn't think God was a bigot.
This is hard for me. We have been friends, and we are falling out about
Bush. That was the first thing. I'll never compromise about the other
racism and homophobic stuff.
It might be the end of our friendship.

Tweed




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Old November 19th 04, 02:46 AM
Jo Firey
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
...
I'm very upset. I've mailed for quite a few years to an American woman
that I knew from my chicken group. We got on pretty well.
Last year she forwarded me a mail that I considered to be racist, but it
was only a few hours before I was due to fly to visit my German friend, so
I mailed a disapproving reply and said I'd like to discuss it with her
when I got back. I never did.

A few weeks ago she started to forward me pro-Bush mails. Well, I'm
sorry, but he seems to be a bit shall we say intellectually challenged, so
I said so.

But now, she is sending what seems to some sort of fundamental Christian
mails to me. Extremely racist, homophobic and right wing. I have
challenged her on every mail and she just got cross and said I was a
stupid liberal. There is more, but I won't bore you with it. I just
won't have her tell me that she refuses to let anyone into America and if
so they must speak English. For G's sake. If she was true to her word
she ought to speak Native American. It isn't her country, after all.

I told her I don't want to have a friend who thinks like this. She told
me she doesn't want to have a friend that is ineducable about what is
going on in America.

It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot tolerate a
racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right.
I can't see that being a racist and a bigot is right in any country. She
quotes the Bible at me. I told her that I didn't think God was a bigot.
This is hard for me. We have been friends, and we are falling out about
Bush. That was the first thing. I'll never compromise about the other
racism and homophobic stuff.
It might be the end of our friendship.

Tweed



Any friendship has boundaries. Your former friend doesn't recognize that.
But it is very easy to block email from someone you do not wish to hear
from. I'd recommend it.

Jo


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Old November 19th 04, 02:46 AM
Jo Firey
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message
...
I'm very upset. I've mailed for quite a few years to an American woman
that I knew from my chicken group. We got on pretty well.
Last year she forwarded me a mail that I considered to be racist, but it
was only a few hours before I was due to fly to visit my German friend, so
I mailed a disapproving reply and said I'd like to discuss it with her
when I got back. I never did.

A few weeks ago she started to forward me pro-Bush mails. Well, I'm
sorry, but he seems to be a bit shall we say intellectually challenged, so
I said so.

But now, she is sending what seems to some sort of fundamental Christian
mails to me. Extremely racist, homophobic and right wing. I have
challenged her on every mail and she just got cross and said I was a
stupid liberal. There is more, but I won't bore you with it. I just
won't have her tell me that she refuses to let anyone into America and if
so they must speak English. For G's sake. If she was true to her word
she ought to speak Native American. It isn't her country, after all.

I told her I don't want to have a friend who thinks like this. She told
me she doesn't want to have a friend that is ineducable about what is
going on in America.

It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot tolerate a
racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right.
I can't see that being a racist and a bigot is right in any country. She
quotes the Bible at me. I told her that I didn't think God was a bigot.
This is hard for me. We have been friends, and we are falling out about
Bush. That was the first thing. I'll never compromise about the other
racism and homophobic stuff.
It might be the end of our friendship.

Tweed



Any friendship has boundaries. Your former friend doesn't recognize that.
But it is very easy to block email from someone you do not wish to hear
from. I'd recommend it.

Jo


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Old November 19th 04, 02:53 AM
Victor Martinez
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Christina Websell wrote:
It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot tolerate a
racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right.


Racism and bigotry are never right. Never. They have always been used as
an excuse to opress the minority (and sometimes even a weak majority) by
those in power.
I just told Tom that if his sister and her husband voted for the
anti-gay ammendment in their state's election, then they are not welcome
in our house. I'm sorry, but if you find my relationship so repugnant,
that you would vote to inscribe discrimination in your state's
constitution, then I do not want to welcome you into my house.
As an aside, the bible has been used throughout history to justify and
defend many horrible things, from the crusades to slavery in the US and
the oppresion of women.

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Old November 19th 04, 02:53 AM
Victor Martinez
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Christina Websell wrote:
It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot tolerate a
racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right.


Racism and bigotry are never right. Never. They have always been used as
an excuse to opress the minority (and sometimes even a weak majority) by
those in power.
I just told Tom that if his sister and her husband voted for the
anti-gay ammendment in their state's election, then they are not welcome
in our house. I'm sorry, but if you find my relationship so repugnant,
that you would vote to inscribe discrimination in your state's
constitution, then I do not want to welcome you into my house.
As an aside, the bible has been used throughout history to justify and
defend many horrible things, from the crusades to slavery in the US and
the oppresion of women.

--
Victor Martinez
Owned and operated by the Fantastic Seven (TM)
Send your spam he
Email me he

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Old November 19th 04, 02:57 AM
Dan M
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It might be the end of our friendship.

Tweed


Very sorry to hear that! I know how painful it can be to have to
dissolve a friendship, especially a long-term one. But I can certainly
understand your point. I'd even be able to understand it if I didn't
seriously dislike Bush and bigotry and narrow-minded fundamentalism, all
of which I do.
  #7  
Old November 19th 04, 02:57 AM
Dan M
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It might be the end of our friendship.

Tweed


Very sorry to hear that! I know how painful it can be to have to
dissolve a friendship, especially a long-term one. But I can certainly
understand your point. I'd even be able to understand it if I didn't
seriously dislike Bush and bigotry and narrow-minded fundamentalism, all
of which I do.
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Old November 19th 04, 02:59 AM
Yoj
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I'm really sorry to hear this, Tweed. You have to decide for yourself
what to do. I'm afraid I'd send one last email explaining my stand and
why I couldn't tolerate that sort of thing. Then unless she stopped
trying to "convert" me, I'd block her email. I know it would hurt to do
that, but it may be the only solution.

((((((((((Tweed))))))))))))

Joy

"Christina Websell" wrote in
message ...
I'm very upset. I've mailed for quite a few years to an American

woman that
I knew from my chicken group. We got on pretty well.
Last year she forwarded me a mail that I considered to be racist, but

it was
only a few hours before I was due to fly to visit my German friend, so

I
mailed a disapproving reply and said I'd like to discuss it with her

when I
got back. I never did.

A few weeks ago she started to forward me pro-Bush mails. Well, I'm

sorry,
but he seems to be a bit shall we say intellectually challenged, so I

said
so.

But now, she is sending what seems to some sort of fundamental

Christian
mails to me. Extremely racist, homophobic and right wing. I have
challenged her on every mail and she just got cross and said I was a

stupid
liberal. There is more, but I won't bore you with it. I just won't

have
her tell me that she refuses to let anyone into America and if so they

must
speak English. For G's sake. If she was true to her word she ought

to
speak Native American. It isn't her country, after all.

I told her I don't want to have a friend who thinks like this. She

told me
she doesn't want to have a friend that is ineducable about what is

going on
in America.

It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot tolerate

a
racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right.
I can't see that being a racist and a bigot is right in any country.

She
quotes the Bible at me. I told her that I didn't think God was a

bigot.
This is hard for me. We have been friends, and we are falling out

about
Bush. That was the first thing. I'll never compromise about the

other
racism and homophobic stuff.
It might be the end of our friendship.

Tweed






  #9  
Old November 19th 04, 02:59 AM
Yoj
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I'm really sorry to hear this, Tweed. You have to decide for yourself
what to do. I'm afraid I'd send one last email explaining my stand and
why I couldn't tolerate that sort of thing. Then unless she stopped
trying to "convert" me, I'd block her email. I know it would hurt to do
that, but it may be the only solution.

((((((((((Tweed))))))))))))

Joy

"Christina Websell" wrote in
message ...
I'm very upset. I've mailed for quite a few years to an American

woman that
I knew from my chicken group. We got on pretty well.
Last year she forwarded me a mail that I considered to be racist, but

it was
only a few hours before I was due to fly to visit my German friend, so

I
mailed a disapproving reply and said I'd like to discuss it with her

when I
got back. I never did.

A few weeks ago she started to forward me pro-Bush mails. Well, I'm

sorry,
but he seems to be a bit shall we say intellectually challenged, so I

said
so.

But now, she is sending what seems to some sort of fundamental

Christian
mails to me. Extremely racist, homophobic and right wing. I have
challenged her on every mail and she just got cross and said I was a

stupid
liberal. There is more, but I won't bore you with it. I just won't

have
her tell me that she refuses to let anyone into America and if so they

must
speak English. For G's sake. If she was true to her word she ought

to
speak Native American. It isn't her country, after all.

I told her I don't want to have a friend who thinks like this. She

told me
she doesn't want to have a friend that is ineducable about what is

going on
in America.

It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot tolerate

a
racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right.
I can't see that being a racist and a bigot is right in any country.

She
quotes the Bible at me. I told her that I didn't think God was a

bigot.
This is hard for me. We have been friends, and we are falling out

about
Bush. That was the first thing. I'll never compromise about the

other
racism and homophobic stuff.
It might be the end of our friendship.

Tweed






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Old November 19th 04, 03:01 AM
Yoj
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"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
...
Christina Websell wrote:
It will be painful for me to fall out with her, but I cannot

tolerate a
racist and bigot. She thinks she is right, and I think I am right.


Racism and bigotry are never right. Never. They have always been used

as
an excuse to opress the minority (and sometimes even a weak majority)

by
those in power.
I just told Tom that if his sister and her husband voted for the
anti-gay ammendment in their state's election, then they are not

welcome
in our house. I'm sorry, but if you find my relationship so repugnant,
that you would vote to inscribe discrimination in your state's
constitution, then I do not want to welcome you into my house.
As an aside, the bible has been used throughout history to justify and
defend many horrible things, from the crusades to slavery in the US

and
the oppresion of women.

--
Victor Martinez


It's really had to have such bigotry in your own family, or its
equivalent. You're right about the Bible. It can be, and has been,
used to prove and/or justify just about everything. :-(
Joy


 




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