Trout Pout

[Alison]

Hi ,
Kim has a swollen bottom lip, she looks like Lesley Ash.(UK actress)
It isn't painful and there are no wound marks.
This happened before late last year , the vet thought it might be
because she was scratching it . This time a different vet thought it
could be an allergic reaction to frontline flea preperation although
I applied that a week before.
Any ideas and has this happend to anyone elses cat ?
--
Alison

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Links to animal information websites
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[Karen Chuplis]

in article , Alison at
wrote on 7/17/03 5:58 AM:

> Hi ,
> Kim has a swollen bottom lip, she looks like Lesley Ash.(UK actress)
> It isn't painful and there are no wound marks.
> This happened before late last year , the vet thought it might be
> because she was scratching it . This time a different vet thought it
> could be an allergic reaction to frontline flea preperation although
> I applied that a week before.
> Any ideas and has this happend to anyone elses cat ?
> --
> Alison
>
> Photos of dogs needing homes and links to Rescues.
> http://mysite.freeserve.com/AnimalRescueLinksUK
>
> Links to animal information websites
> http://mysite.freeserve.com/petinfolinks
>
>
Seems like a week is an awful long time for a reaction to set in? What did
they do for it last time? I hope it gets better soon.

Karen

[Karen Chuplis]

in article , Alison at
wrote on 7/17/03 5:58 AM:

> Hi ,
> Kim has a swollen bottom lip, she looks like Lesley Ash.(UK actress)
> It isn't painful and there are no wound marks.
> This happened before late last year , the vet thought it might be
> because she was scratching it . This time a different vet thought it
> could be an allergic reaction to frontline flea preperation although
> I applied that a week before.
> Any ideas and has this happend to anyone elses cat ?
> --
> Alison
>
> Photos of dogs needing homes and links to Rescues.
> http://mysite.freeserve.com/AnimalRescueLinksUK
>
> Links to animal information websites
> http://mysite.freeserve.com/petinfolinks
>
>
Seems like a week is an awful long time for a reaction to set in? What did
they do for it last time? I hope it gets better soon.

Karen

[PawsForThought]

>From: "Alison"

> Any ideas and has this happend to anyone elses cat ?
>--

Sounds like rodent ulcer.
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[PawsForThought]

>From: "Alison"

> Any ideas and has this happend to anyone elses cat ?
>--

Sounds like rodent ulcer.
________
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Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

[Alison]

"Karen Chuplis" > wrote in message
...
> > >
> Seems like a week is an awful long time for a reaction to set in?
What did
> they do for it last time? I hope it gets better soon.
>
> Karen

Hi Karen ,
It is a long time isn't it . Last time I think she had an
antibiotics. someone suggested it could be a bee sting but I don't
think so . It looks like it has gone down slightly so fingers crossed
I won't have to take her back to the vet.
Alison
>

[Alison]

"Karen Chuplis" > wrote in message
...
> > >
> Seems like a week is an awful long time for a reaction to set in?
What did
> they do for it last time? I hope it gets better soon.
>
> Karen

Hi Karen ,
It is a long time isn't it . Last time I think she had an
antibiotics. someone suggested it could be a bee sting but I don't
think so . It looks like it has gone down slightly so fingers crossed
I won't have to take her back to the vet.
Alison
>

[PawsForThought]

>From: "Alison"

>"PawsForThought" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>> Sounds like rodent ulcer.
>
>
> Oh dear . I'll have to look that up. It looks smooth and swollen
>though .
> Alison

Sorry I had posted that from work, but here's some information. Another thing
it might be as an allergy to plastic, so you want to make sure you're not
feeding out of plastic bowls, or it could possibly be a food allergy.
Here's what rodent ulcers are:
"Rodent ulcers are open sores found primarily on the inside of the cat's upper
lip, adjacent to the canine tooth. They sometimes develop in other sites, on
the tongue, lips roof of the mouth or on the skin of the abdomen or inner
thigh.

"The term "Rodent" ulcer is misleading. It originated because it was thought
these sores were due or infections contracted from mice or tats. Their real
cause is still uncertain, but is is generally believed they are the result of
constant irritation from the cat's rough tongue. The reason why only some cats
develop them in not understood.

"The sore are usually oval in shape, with a raised edge or border. The affected
area is gradually eroded. It becomes red and inflamed and may bleed
intermittently especially if knocked.

"Early in its course, the ulcer is small and caused little concern to the cat.
As it progresses, eating can become uncomfortable, and the cat may lose its
appetite salivate and paw at the mouth.

Treatment

"Some cases respond to treatment with drugs such as cortisone, or hormones. In
advanced cases, surgical removal may be contemplated although this can be
deforming. X-ray treatment, cryosurgery and injections into and around the sore
have been successful in some selected cased. Treatment is not always successful
and recurrence is common."

Lauren
________
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Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

[PawsForThought]

>From: "Alison"

>"PawsForThought" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>> Sounds like rodent ulcer.
>
>
> Oh dear . I'll have to look that up. It looks smooth and swollen
>though .
> Alison

Sorry I had posted that from work, but here's some information. Another thing
it might be as an allergy to plastic, so you want to make sure you're not
feeding out of plastic bowls, or it could possibly be a food allergy.
Here's what rodent ulcers are:
"Rodent ulcers are open sores found primarily on the inside of the cat's upper
lip, adjacent to the canine tooth. They sometimes develop in other sites, on
the tongue, lips roof of the mouth or on the skin of the abdomen or inner
thigh.

"The term "Rodent" ulcer is misleading. It originated because it was thought
these sores were due or infections contracted from mice or tats. Their real
cause is still uncertain, but is is generally believed they are the result of
constant irritation from the cat's rough tongue. The reason why only some cats
develop them in not understood.

"The sore are usually oval in shape, with a raised edge or border. The affected
area is gradually eroded. It becomes red and inflamed and may bleed
intermittently especially if knocked.

"Early in its course, the ulcer is small and caused little concern to the cat.
As it progresses, eating can become uncomfortable, and the cat may lose its
appetite salivate and paw at the mouth.

Treatment

"Some cases respond to treatment with drugs such as cortisone, or hormones. In
advanced cases, surgical removal may be contemplated although this can be
deforming. X-ray treatment, cryosurgery and injections into and around the sore
have been successful in some selected cased. Treatment is not always successful
and recurrence is common."

Lauren
________
See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

[Kevin Krell]

THE EOSINOPHILIC GRANULOMA (also called the linear granulom)

The eosinophilic granuloma produces a classical swollen lower lip or
chin or a classical long, narrow lesion running down the back of the
thigh.

Here's a link to a picture - see the one with the black & white cat.
Ours gets a slightly swollen lower lip. Causes are not known, but may
be allergy (might be to fleas). We have found it responds to 500mg
L-Lysine added to his food (L-Lysine is used to alleviate Herpes).
The chin under the lip might seems a little soft/swollen under the
fur. Certainly check for sores on the backs of the rear legs.

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/eosinophilic_granuloma.html

Alison wrote:
>
> Hi ,
> Kim has a swollen bottom lip, she looks like Lesley Ash.(UK actress)
> It isn't painful and there are no wound marks.
> This happened before late last year , the vet thought it might be
> because she was scratching it . This time a different vet thought it
> could be an allergic reaction to frontline flea preperation although
> I applied that a week before.
> Any ideas and has this happend to anyone elses cat ?
> --
> Alison
>
> Photos of dogs needing homes and links to Rescues.
> http://mysite.freeserve.com/AnimalRescueLinksUK
>
> Links to animal information websites
> http://mysite.freeserve.com/petinfolinks

[Kevin Krell]

THE EOSINOPHILIC GRANULOMA (also called the linear granulom)

The eosinophilic granuloma produces a classical swollen lower lip or
chin or a classical long, narrow lesion running down the back of the
thigh.

Here's a link to a picture - see the one with the black & white cat.
Ours gets a slightly swollen lower lip. Causes are not known, but may
be allergy (might be to fleas). We have found it responds to 500mg
L-Lysine added to his food (L-Lysine is used to alleviate Herpes).
The chin under the lip might seems a little soft/swollen under the
fur. Certainly check for sores on the backs of the rear legs.

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/eosinophilic_granuloma.html

Alison wrote:
>
> Hi ,
> Kim has a swollen bottom lip, she looks like Lesley Ash.(UK actress)
> It isn't painful and there are no wound marks.
> This happened before late last year , the vet thought it might be
> because she was scratching it . This time a different vet thought it
> could be an allergic reaction to frontline flea preperation although
> I applied that a week before.
> Any ideas and has this happend to anyone elses cat ?
> --
> Alison
>
> Photos of dogs needing homes and links to Rescues.
> http://mysite.freeserve.com/AnimalRescueLinksUK
>
> Links to animal information websites
> http://mysite.freeserve.com/petinfolinks

[Alison]

Thank you Kevin and Lauren . It is a good website. It's nice to put
her name to her condition.. I'm taking Kim back to the vet tomorrow.
Kim is very allergic to fleas. Also I just remembered I used Acclaim
on the carpets and furnishings so it could be that . Poor Kim . She
suffers from crystals in the urine as well . I tried her on a dry food
for allergies but it made her crystals worse so she is on tinned food.
I'm looking at fresh cooked meat diets , ready prepared ,for cats but
there don't seem to be any easily obtainable.
Thanks once again

--
Alison

Photos of dogs needing homes and links to Rescues.
http://mysite.freeserve.com/AnimalRescueLinksUK

Links to animal information websites
http://mysite.freeserve.com/petinfolinks
"PawsForThought" > wrote in message
...
> >From: Kevin Krell
>
> >THE EOSINOPHILIC GRANULOMA (also called the linear granulom)
> >
> >The eosinophilic granuloma produces a classical swollen lower lip
or
> >chin or a classical long, narrow lesion running down the back of
the
> >thigh.
>
> This was a really good site, Kevin. The above granuloma is what the
vet
> believes my Mickey had. He got it when he was about 1 year old and
had 2
> episodes. We switched him to a raw homemade diet as well as adding
extra Omega
> 3's in the form of whole body fish oil to his diet. He has not had
a single
> episode since and he is now 3 years old.
>
> Lauren
> ________
> See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
> Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
> http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
> Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

[Alison]

Thank you Kevin and Lauren . It is a good website. It's nice to put
her name to her condition.. I'm taking Kim back to the vet tomorrow.
Kim is very allergic to fleas. Also I just remembered I used Acclaim
on the carpets and furnishings so it could be that . Poor Kim . She
suffers from crystals in the urine as well . I tried her on a dry food
for allergies but it made her crystals worse so she is on tinned food.
I'm looking at fresh cooked meat diets , ready prepared ,for cats but
there don't seem to be any easily obtainable.
Thanks once again

--
Alison

Photos of dogs needing homes and links to Rescues.
http://mysite.freeserve.com/AnimalRescueLinksUK

Links to animal information websites
http://mysite.freeserve.com/petinfolinks
"PawsForThought" > wrote in message
...
> >From: Kevin Krell
>
> >THE EOSINOPHILIC GRANULOMA (also called the linear granulom)
> >
> >The eosinophilic granuloma produces a classical swollen lower lip
or
> >chin or a classical long, narrow lesion running down the back of
the
> >thigh.
>
> This was a really good site, Kevin. The above granuloma is what the
vet
> believes my Mickey had. He got it when he was about 1 year old and
had 2
> episodes. We switched him to a raw homemade diet as well as adding
extra Omega
> 3's in the form of whole body fish oil to his diet. He has not had
a single
> episode since and he is now 3 years old.
>
> Lauren
> ________
> See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
> Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
> http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
> Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

[Karen Chuplis]

I swear I think that urinary problems and allergies are related. My personal
opinion is that the cat is stressed from the allergies and it causes the
urinary problems, but I swear up down and sideways my cats allergies and
urinary problems are related.

Karen

"Alison" > wrote in message
...
> Thank you Kevin and Lauren . It is a good website. It's nice to put
> her name to her condition.. I'm taking Kim back to the vet tomorrow.
> Kim is very allergic to fleas. Also I just remembered I used Acclaim
> on the carpets and furnishings so it could be that . Poor Kim . She
> suffers from crystals in the urine as well . I tried her on a dry food
> for allergies but it made her crystals worse so she is on tinned food.
> I'm looking at fresh cooked meat diets , ready prepared ,for cats but
> there don't seem to be any easily obtainable.
> Thanks once again
>
> --
> Alison
>
> Photos of dogs needing homes and links to Rescues.
> http://mysite.freeserve.com/AnimalRescueLinksUK
>
> Links to animal information websites
> http://mysite.freeserve.com/petinfolinks
> "PawsForThought" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >From: Kevin Krell
> >
> > >THE EOSINOPHILIC GRANULOMA (also called the linear granulom)
> > >
> > >The eosinophilic granuloma produces a classical swollen lower lip
> or
> > >chin or a classical long, narrow lesion running down the back of
> the
> > >thigh.
> >
> > This was a really good site, Kevin. The above granuloma is what the
> vet
> > believes my Mickey had. He got it when he was about 1 year old and
> had 2
> > episodes. We switched him to a raw homemade diet as well as adding
> extra Omega
> > 3's in the form of whole body fish oil to his diet. He has not had
> a single
> > episode since and he is now 3 years old.
> >
> > Lauren
> > ________
> > See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
> > Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
> > http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
> > Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
>
>

[Karen Chuplis]

I swear I think that urinary problems and allergies are related. My personal
opinion is that the cat is stressed from the allergies and it causes the
urinary problems, but I swear up down and sideways my cats allergies and
urinary problems are related.

Karen

"Alison" > wrote in message
...
> Thank you Kevin and Lauren . It is a good website. It's nice to put
> her name to her condition.. I'm taking Kim back to the vet tomorrow.
> Kim is very allergic to fleas. Also I just remembered I used Acclaim
> on the carpets and furnishings so it could be that . Poor Kim . She
> suffers from crystals in the urine as well . I tried her on a dry food
> for allergies but it made her crystals worse so she is on tinned food.
> I'm looking at fresh cooked meat diets , ready prepared ,for cats but
> there don't seem to be any easily obtainable.
> Thanks once again
>
> --
> Alison
>
> Photos of dogs needing homes and links to Rescues.
> http://mysite.freeserve.com/AnimalRescueLinksUK
>
> Links to animal information websites
> http://mysite.freeserve.com/petinfolinks
> "PawsForThought" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >From: Kevin Krell
> >
> > >THE EOSINOPHILIC GRANULOMA (also called the linear granulom)
> > >
> > >The eosinophilic granuloma produces a classical swollen lower lip
> or
> > >chin or a classical long, narrow lesion running down the back of
> the
> > >thigh.
> >
> > This was a really good site, Kevin. The above granuloma is what the
> vet
> > believes my Mickey had. He got it when he was about 1 year old and
> had 2
> > episodes. We switched him to a raw homemade diet as well as adding
> extra Omega
> > 3's in the form of whole body fish oil to his diet. He has not had
> a single
> > episode since and he is now 3 years old.
> >
> > Lauren
> > ________
> > See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe
> > Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html
> > http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html
> > Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
>
>

[Alison]

"Karen Chuplis" > wrote in message
...
>> It would be interesting.
>
> Karen
>

Hi Karen ,
I could post to the Yahoo stone forming group. Not sure if I'll get
many answers as we had troll trouble and the moderator seems to have
disappeared.
I took Kim back to the vet and he said it was granuloma. She had a
steroid jab so hopefully she will be Ok and not have to have a biopsy.
I suppose cats can be allergic to many things and more than one
thing at once . I think it was the Acclaim but someone suggested ants.
We do have red ants in the garden and Kim is allowed outside, so thats
a possibility.
Alison

[Alison]

"Karen Chuplis" > wrote in message
...
>> It would be interesting.
>
> Karen
>

Hi Karen ,
I could post to the Yahoo stone forming group. Not sure if I'll get
many answers as we had troll trouble and the moderator seems to have
disappeared.
I took Kim back to the vet and he said it was granuloma. She had a
steroid jab so hopefully she will be Ok and not have to have a biopsy.
I suppose cats can be allergic to many things and more than one
thing at once . I think it was the Acclaim but someone suggested ants.
We do have red ants in the garden and Kim is allowed outside, so thats
a possibility.
Alison

[William Hamblen]

In article >, Alison wrote:

> Any ideas and has this happend to anyone elses cat ?

I had a cat that developed an eosinophilic granuloma that first appeared
as a swelling on it's lip, then developed an ulcer. Treatment was with
steroids. The cat went through a siege of them one winter then had no
more trouble.

[William Hamblen]

In article >, Alison wrote:

> Any ideas and has this happend to anyone elses cat ?

I had a cat that developed an eosinophilic granuloma that first appeared
as a swelling on it's lip, then developed an ulcer. Treatment was with
steroids. The cat went through a siege of them one winter then had no
more trouble.

[William Hamblen]

In article >, Alison wrote:

> --"William Hamblen" > wrote in message
> link.net...
>> In article >, Alison wrote:
>>
>> I had a cat that developed an eosinophilic granuloma that first
> appeared
>> as a swelling on it's lip, then developed an ulcer. Treatment was
> with
>> steroids. The cat went through a siege of them one winter then had
> no
>> more trouble.
>
> I'm glad your cat is ok now . Do you know what caused it . with Kim I
> think it was when I used Acclaim flea control on the carpets and soft
> furnishings . I was fortunate that it didnt develope into an ulcer or
> tumour.

This cat went to his reward about 10 years ago. The lip ulcers are
supposed to be allergic reactions, but I never figured out what to.
The problem didn't persist. "Tiger" was a large shaggy brown tabby that
was a stray or an abandoned cat. I think abandoned as he certainly
seemed glad to see anyone, even me, when he appeared in my back yard
and was pleased to move in. He was a very laid back cat and full of
natural dignity.

[William Hamblen]

In article >, Alison wrote:

> --"William Hamblen" > wrote in message
> link.net...
>> In article >, Alison wrote:
>>
>> I had a cat that developed an eosinophilic granuloma that first
> appeared
>> as a swelling on it's lip, then developed an ulcer. Treatment was
> with
>> steroids. The cat went through a siege of them one winter then had
> no
>> more trouble.
>
> I'm glad your cat is ok now . Do you know what caused it . with Kim I
> think it was when I used Acclaim flea control on the carpets and soft
> furnishings . I was fortunate that it didnt develope into an ulcer or
> tumour.

This cat went to his reward about 10 years ago. The lip ulcers are
supposed to be allergic reactions, but I never figured out what to.
The problem didn't persist. "Tiger" was a large shaggy brown tabby that
was a stray or an abandoned cat. I think abandoned as he certainly
seemed glad to see anyone, even me, when he appeared in my back yard
and was pleased to move in. He was a very laid back cat and full of
natural dignity.

[Alison]

-- "William Hamblen" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> >
> This cat went to his reward about 10 years ago. The lip ulcers are
> supposed to be allergic reactions, but I never figured out what to.
> The problem didn't persist. "Tiger" was a large shaggy brown tabby
that
> was a stray or an abandoned cat. I think abandoned as he certainly
> seemed glad to see anyone, even me, when he appeared in my back yard
> and was pleased to move in. He was a very laid back cat and full of
> natural dignity.

Hi William ,
He sounds a character and much missed . It sounds like he chose you
to be his owner .
Alison

[Alison]

-- "William Hamblen" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> >
> This cat went to his reward about 10 years ago. The lip ulcers are
> supposed to be allergic reactions, but I never figured out what to.
> The problem didn't persist. "Tiger" was a large shaggy brown tabby
that
> was a stray or an abandoned cat. I think abandoned as he certainly
> seemed glad to see anyone, even me, when he appeared in my back yard
> and was pleased to move in. He was a very laid back cat and full of
> natural dignity.

Hi William ,
He sounds a character and much missed . It sounds like he chose you
to be his owner .
Alison