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Old March 24th 06, 04:53 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes,rec.pets.cats.misc,rec.pets.cats.rescue
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Yup, God help us, indeed. As for Frist, I'm not about to trust any
doctor who diagnoses a patient (Terri Schiavo) on the basis of a video,
and I was really glad when the autopsy on the poor woman made an a** of
Frist. Not that he needs much help in that department. But this
business of practicing his surgery skills on those poor cats really
seals the deal--Keep the White House A Frist-Free Zone!

M

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In article , Divamanque
wrote:

jmcquown wrote:



He was a friggin medical student. The article you yourself cite indicated
it wasn't illegal. And I'm pretty sure the man knew how to anesthetize a
cat.


And feline anatomy is so close to human! What possible
reason would there be for a medical student planning to be
human doctor to dissect cats?


I condemn Frist's actions. Nevertheless, the nervous system of cats is
anatomically closest to that of humans. As an aspiring cardiac
surgeon, pigs would have been a better choice.
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Old March 25th 06, 03:44 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
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Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:

In article , Divamanque
wrote:


jmcquown wrote:



He was a friggin medical student. The article you yourself cite indicated
it wasn't illegal. And I'm pretty sure the man knew how to anesthetize a
cat.


And feline anatomy is so close to human! What possible
reason would there be for a medical student planning to be
human doctor to dissect cats?



I condemn Frist's actions. Nevertheless, the nervous system of cats is
anatomically closest to that of humans. As an aspiring cardiac
surgeon, pigs would have been a better choice.


I knew the emotional centers of a cat's brain were nearly
identical to those of humans - I hadn't stopped to think
that probably meant its nervous system was, too. Of course,
humans don't really like to think we are that closely
related to pigs (although cannibals refer to human meant as
"long pig") but I've read several places that we really are.

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Old March 25th 06, 06:01 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

I knew the emotional centers of a cat's brain were nearly identical to
those of humans - I hadn't stopped to think that probably meant its
nervous system was, too. Of course, humans don't really like to think
we are that closely related to pigs (although cannibals refer to human
meant as "long pig") but I've read several places that we really are.

Before genetic engineering developed far enough, type I diabetics got
pig's insulin. I lived on pig's insulin about 20 years. Now we use
synthetic insulin that is identical to human insulin.

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Old March 26th 06, 04:54 PM posted to rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.cats.anecdotes,rec.pets.cats.misc,rec.pets.cats.rescue
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"guess" wrote in message
...
I came across this article in another newsgroup, I imagine most of you
might
have already seen this but it was news to me. The only reason this
selfish
prick is apologizing is because of politics. Sorry for the harsh words
but
just the thought of someone as cruel and selfish as him possibly becoming
President is sickening.

ps. Before anyone says I'm politically motivated to post this, note that
I'm in Canada, I couldn't care less about American politics but I do hate
people who torture animals for their own personal enjoyment, gain, or
because they simply have no respect for life other than their own.

http://www.upi.com/inc/view.php?Stor...1-071056-3546r

Frist asked to atone for killing cats
By DEE ANN DIVIS
Science and Technology Editor

WASHINGTON, Dec. 31 (UPI) -- Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist,
R-Tenn., is being asked by an animal advocacy group to support
legislation for better animal treatment to make up for fraudulently
adopting cats from animal shelters then experimenting on and killing
them while he was a medical student.

A Dec. 31 letter from the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals
asked Frist to make amends by pressing for reforms that would replace
old-style tests where animals are subjected to painful and sometimes
deadly procedures with newer, more humane approaches. They also
requested that he help fund research to find non-animal alternatives.

***************
Frist acknowledged in a 1989 book that he routinely killed cats while
an ambitious medical student at Harvard Medical School in the 1970s.
His office said it had no record on how many cats died. Frist disclosed
that he went to animal shelters and pretended to adopt the cats,
telling shelter personnel he intended to keep them as pets. Instead he
used them to sharpen his surgical skills, killing them in the process.

*****************

The newly elected leader of the Senate Republicans revealed the
practice in his book "Transplant: A Heart Surgeon's Account of the
Life-and-Death Dramas of the New Medicine."

"It was a heinous and dishonest thing to do," Frist wrote, in a passage
quoted by The Boston Globe. On Tuesday, Frist's press aide, Nick Smith,
told United Press International that "Senator Frist denounces the
activities that he did while he was in medical school -- as he has done
before."

It is not clear if Frist's actions were illegal. Many states ban
shelters from knowingly letting their animals be taken for such
purposes.

Massachusetts put such a ban in place in 1983. Frist was a student in
the Boston area from 1974 to 1978. A total of 14 states have passed
such laws. Four states -- Iowa, Minnesota, Utah and Oklahoma -- still
have laws that allow labs to demand the release of animals for
experimental use.

But such regulations, called pound seizure laws, only govern the
actions of the shelters.

"The pound seizure law probably would not apply there because the
shelter did not intentionally sell the animal to him for this purpose,"
said Debora Bresch, a lawyer and a lobbyist for the American Society
for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

"They thought they were adopting the animal out to him," said Bresch.
"What he did was fraudulent and probably was illegal."

"It would probably would be considered cruel back even then," added
Stephen Musso, senior vice president and chief of operations of ASPCA.

Though Musso said he personally had not heard about the Frist incident,
he told UPI, "We wouldn't want to see anybody taking an animal out of
an animal shelter and doing anything with it -- first of all that would
be harmful; second of all, different than the intentions that they gave
to the people at that shelter or humane organization."

Attitudes toward animal experimentation have shifted, said Gary
Patronek, director of the Tufts Center for Animals and Public Policy in
North Grafton, Mass.

"The fact that laws have passed prohibiting the practice of pound
seizure in 14 states is evidence of the fact that society's attitudes
have changed," Patronek told UPI. "The laws reflect the attitudes. If
there isn't a broad social consensus about something, then typically
the laws don't change."

The demographics have changed also. By the end of 2000, a total of 34
percent of American households had at least one cat -- a sharp rise of
8 percent in only two years. The American Pet Products Manufacturers
Association also said in their 2001-2002 National Pet Owner Survey that
39 percent of all U.S. households owned at least one dog in 2000, about
the same percentage as in 1998.

Though Frist's practice has been known for 11 years, the matter appears
to be gathering new attention since his election as Senate majority
leader. E-mail with copies of news articles mentioning the incident are
bouncing around the Internet, said Bresch.

One Frist supporter said the senator's opponents are fueling the
interest in the issue.

"What is happening here is that people are doing profiles of the
senator, and they are desperate to find something wrong with him and to
come up with something bad in his past," he pointed out.

Whether Frist will come to the aid of animal legislative causes remains
to be seen. His spokesman said they had not seen the PETA letter and
therefore would not comment on it.

PETA, normally more combative and high-profile, took a somewhat
restrained tone in its letter. There was no mistaking PETA's opinion,
however, as the organization asked Frist to make an effort on the
animals' behalf.

"There could be no better way of making some small amends to those
animals whose trust you betrayed when you took them from shelters," the
letter said.

(With reporting by Nicholas M. Horrock in Washington)


this shouldn't come as a surprise, just listen to frist for 10 mins
sometime..or the rest of the rep senate..by nov maybe he won't be senate maj
leader anymore.

lori.


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Old March 26th 06, 08:51 PM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
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In article , Marina
wrote:

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

I knew the emotional centers of a cat's brain were nearly identical to
those of humans - I hadn't stopped to think that probably meant its
nervous system was, too. Of course, humans don't really like to think
we are that closely related to pigs (although cannibals refer to human
meant as "long pig") but I've read several places that we really are.

Before genetic engineering developed far enough, type I diabetics got
pig's insulin. I lived on pig's insulin about 20 years. Now we use
synthetic insulin that is identical to human insulin.


Actually, at least one form of pig insulin is still manufactured. My
first delighted thought was it confirmed certain humans were swine, but
it turns out that this particular form has a rate of release that's
different from the synthetic human forms, a rate that's useful in some
patients.

Of the ten or so human insulin preparations, about a third are
identical, while others have a slightly modified molecule that doesn't
interfere with the basic hormonal effect, but does affect the release
rate. When you see a name like "insulin glargine", that refers to
moving around a glutamic acid and and an arginine amino acid in the
protein sequence. "insulin lispro" moves lysine and proline.
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Old March 27th 06, 01:00 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
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Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:

In article , Marina
wrote:


EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

I knew the emotional centers of a cat's brain were nearly identical to
those of humans - I hadn't stopped to think that probably meant its
nervous system was, too. Of course, humans don't really like to think
we are that closely related to pigs (although cannibals refer to human
meant as "long pig") but I've read several places that we really are.


Before genetic engineering developed far enough, type I diabetics got
pig's insulin. I lived on pig's insulin about 20 years. Now we use
synthetic insulin that is identical to human insulin.



Actually, at least one form of pig insulin is still manufactured. My
first delighted thought was it confirmed certain humans were swine, but
it turns out that this particular form has a rate of release that's
different from the synthetic human forms, a rate that's useful in some
patients.

Of the ten or so human insulin preparations, about a third are
identical, while others have a slightly modified molecule that doesn't
interfere with the basic hormonal effect, but does affect the release
rate. When you see a name like "insulin glargine", that refers to
moving around a glutamic acid and and an arginine amino acid in the
protein sequence. "insulin lispro" moves lysine and proline.


My former doctor (a nutritional specialist) put me on
porcine thyroid, because he said the human body finds it
more compatible than the bovine thyroid more commonly
prescribed. My current doctor saw no reason I should change
(although he upped the dosage a bit when indicated), and
it's no more expensive. I get it from a compounding
pharmacist in Texas.

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Old March 27th 06, 06:06 AM posted to rec.pets.cats.anecdotes
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Howard C. Berkowitz wrote:
In article , Marina
wrote:


EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

I knew the emotional centers of a cat's brain were nearly identical to
those of humans - I hadn't stopped to think that probably meant its
nervous system was, too. Of course, humans don't really like to think
we are that closely related to pigs (although cannibals refer to human
meant as "long pig") but I've read several places that we really are.


Before genetic engineering developed far enough, type I diabetics got
pig's insulin. I lived on pig's insulin about 20 years. Now we use
synthetic insulin that is identical to human insulin.



Actually, at least one form of pig insulin is still manufactured. My
first delighted thought was it confirmed certain humans were swine, but
it turns out that this particular form has a rate of release that's
different from the synthetic human forms, a rate that's useful in some
patients.


I've heard that some people have problems with the synthetic kind and
demanded to have the pig's insulin back.

Of the ten or so human insulin preparations, about a third are
identical, while others have a slightly modified molecule that doesn't
interfere with the basic hormonal effect, but does affect the release
rate. When you see a name like "insulin glargine", that refers to
moving around a glutamic acid and and an arginine amino acid in the
protein sequence. "insulin lispro" moves lysine and proline.


I have one of each, glargine for slow release (the 'background' insulin)
and lispro for mealtime quick release.

--
Marina, Miranda and Caliban. In loving memory of Frank and Nikki.
marina (dot) kurten (at) iki (dot) fi
Stories and pics at http://koti.welho.com/mkurten/
Pics at http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frankiennikki/
and http://community.webshots.com/user/frankiennikki
 




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