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Well, poor Meep is feeling her age these days (she's 14 now), but
neither I nor the vet can *quite* put a finger on what's wrong. She doesn't eat well (she's about a pound or so underweight), and has taken to spending most of her time sleeping in the upstairs bedroom. She's had a battery of tests and everything comes up roses. We can't quite figure out if her problem is digestive in nature (she's on pepsid, which seems to help a little), or general pain from her back end - she has a malformed vertebrae in her spine, the one the legs attach to. She has luxating patellas both hinds, but not horrible as her legs rarely lock, and her leg bones behind curve slightly. Because of all this she also now has mild to moderate arthritis in her back end. She is on two drops of Metacam once every three days, and also gets Joint Care 3 Glucosamine Chon/MSM twice a day, every day. What we do know is when she was on bupamorphine (?) during her cystitis attack a few days ago, she ate well the whole time she was on it (in fact I was able to give her extra food, and she put on weight), and gradually went back to her old eating habits about two days after the last dose. And here all this time I thought she was being fussy, because she's ALWAYS ready for dry treats, it's the wet she won't eat. Well, we can't really keep her on morphine continuously, so the vet suggested two other drugs we might look at: Tramadol or Gabapentin. Tramadol sounds promising as it's for cronic pain and is also used to treat acid reflux. However, a common side effect is constipation, which is already one of Meep's problems. Gabapentin doesn't have much to say about veterinary use in it's wikipaedia entry. Does anyone have any experience, good or bad, with either of these drugs in treating chronic pain in cats? Any other suggestions? It's hard to tell what's going on here. She has a soft, shiny coat, her expression is usually quite cheerful (though I catch her with an inward look sometimes), and her general demeanor is quite normal. However, I've also seen her lick her lips a lot, and watched her tail jerk in an odd manner when she walks. Any thoughts welcome! jmc |
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Suddenly, without warning, jmc exclaimed (6/1/2010 4:55 PM):
Well, poor Meep is feeling her age these days (she's 14 now), but neither I nor the vet can *quite* put a finger on what's wrong. She doesn't eat well (she's about a pound or so underweight), and has taken to spending most of her time sleeping in the upstairs bedroom. She's had a battery of tests and everything comes up roses. We can't quite figure out if her problem is digestive in nature (she's on pepsid, which seems to help a little), or general pain from her back end - she has a malformed vertebrae in her spine, the one the legs attach to. She has luxating patellas both hinds, but not horrible as her legs rarely lock, and her leg bones behind curve slightly. Because of all this she also now has mild to moderate arthritis in her back end. She is on two drops of Metacam once every three days, and also gets Joint Care 3 Glucosamine Chon/MSM twice a day, every day. What we do know is when she was on bupamorphine (?) during her cystitis attack a few days ago, she ate well the whole time she was on it (in fact I was able to give her extra food, and she put on weight), and gradually went back to her old eating habits about two days after the last dose. And here all this time I thought she was being fussy, because she's ALWAYS ready for dry treats, it's the wet she won't eat. Well, we can't really keep her on morphine continuously, so the vet suggested two other drugs we might look at: Tramadol or Gabapentin. Tramadol sounds promising as it's for cronic pain and is also used to treat acid reflux. However, a common side effect is constipation, which is already one of Meep's problems. Gabapentin doesn't have much to say about veterinary use in it's wikipaedia entry. Does anyone have any experience, good or bad, with either of these drugs in treating chronic pain in cats? Any other suggestions? It's hard to tell what's going on here. She has a soft, shiny coat, her expression is usually quite cheerful (though I catch her with an inward look sometimes), and her general demeanor is quite normal. However, I've also seen her lick her lips a lot, and watched her tail jerk in an odd manner when she walks. Any thoughts welcome! jmc Nobody? Or is this one of those times when my original post went poof? |
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:07:00 -0400, jmc
wrote: Suddenly, without warning, jmc exclaimed (6/1/2010 4:55 PM): Well, poor Meep is feeling her age these days (she's 14 now), but neither I nor the vet can *quite* put a finger on what's wrong. She doesn't eat well (she's about a pound or so underweight), and has taken to spending most of her time sleeping in the upstairs bedroom. She's had a battery of tests and everything comes up roses. We can't quite figure out if her problem is digestive in nature (she's on pepsid, which seems to help a little), or general pain from her back end - she has a malformed vertebrae in her spine, the one the legs attach to. She has luxating patellas both hinds, but not horrible as her legs rarely lock, and her leg bones behind curve slightly. Because of all this she also now has mild to moderate arthritis in her back end. She is on two drops of Metacam once every three days, and also gets Joint Care 3 Glucosamine Chon/MSM twice a day, every day. What we do know is when she was on bupamorphine (?) during her cystitis attack a few days ago, she ate well the whole time she was on it (in fact I was able to give her extra food, and she put on weight), and gradually went back to her old eating habits about two days after the last dose. And here all this time I thought she was being fussy, because she's ALWAYS ready for dry treats, it's the wet she won't eat. Well, we can't really keep her on morphine continuously, so the vet suggested two other drugs we might look at: Tramadol or Gabapentin. Tramadol sounds promising as it's for cronic pain and is also used to treat acid reflux. However, a common side effect is constipation, which is already one of Meep's problems. Gabapentin doesn't have much to say about veterinary use in it's wikipaedia entry. Does anyone have any experience, good or bad, with either of these drugs in treating chronic pain in cats? Any other suggestions? It's hard to tell what's going on here. She has a soft, shiny coat, her expression is usually quite cheerful (though I catch her with an inward look sometimes), and her general demeanor is quite normal. However, I've also seen her lick her lips a lot, and watched her tail jerk in an odd manner when she walks. Any thoughts welcome! jmc Nobody? Or is this one of those times when my original post went poof? I'm on Gabapentin for chronic peripheral pain. It works. I have no idea what it does in cats though. Have you ried distracting Meep with nip or giving her Rescue Remedy? Every little bit helps. |
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Suddenly, without warning, John Ross Mc Master exclaimed (6/2/2010 6:37 PM):
On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:07:00 -0400, jmc wrote: Suddenly, without warning, jmc exclaimed (6/1/2010 4:55 PM): Well, poor Meep is feeling her age these days (she's 14 now), but neither I nor the vet can *quite* put a finger on what's wrong. She doesn't eat well (she's about a pound or so underweight), and has taken to spending most of her time sleeping in the upstairs bedroom. She's had a battery of tests and everything comes up roses. We can't quite figure out if her problem is digestive in nature (she's on pepsid, which seems to help a little), or general pain from her back end - she has a malformed vertebrae in her spine, the one the legs attach to. She has luxating patellas both hinds, but not horrible as her legs rarely lock, and her leg bones behind curve slightly. Because of all this she also now has mild to moderate arthritis in her back end. She is on two drops of Metacam once every three days, and also gets Joint Care 3 Glucosamine Chon/MSM twice a day, every day. What we do know is when she was on bupamorphine (?) during her cystitis attack a few days ago, she ate well the whole time she was on it (in fact I was able to give her extra food, and she put on weight), and gradually went back to her old eating habits about two days after the last dose. And here all this time I thought she was being fussy, because she's ALWAYS ready for dry treats, it's the wet she won't eat. Well, we can't really keep her on morphine continuously, so the vet suggested two other drugs we might look at: Tramadol or Gabapentin. Tramadol sounds promising as it's for cronic pain and is also used to treat acid reflux. However, a common side effect is constipation, which is already one of Meep's problems. Gabapentin doesn't have much to say about veterinary use in it's wikipaedia entry. Does anyone have any experience, good or bad, with either of these drugs in treating chronic pain in cats? Any other suggestions? It's hard to tell what's going on here. She has a soft, shiny coat, her expression is usually quite cheerful (though I catch her with an inward look sometimes), and her general demeanor is quite normal. However, I've also seen her lick her lips a lot, and watched her tail jerk in an odd manner when she walks. Any thoughts welcome! jmc Nobody? Or is this one of those times when my original post went poof? I'm on Gabapentin for chronic peripheral pain. It works. I have no idea what it does in cats though. Have you ried distracting Meep with nip or giving her Rescue Remedy? Every little bit helps. She has a catnip thing that she really likes, but recently it's started to fade - I can't get a new one until September. She doesn't react to most 'nip but I found one seller at the National Cat Show that grows her own, apparently extra-strong catnip... Will Rescue Remedy help with the pain? I've tried using it for stress events, but I don't think it has much effect. jmc |
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 20:07:30 -0400, jmc
wrote: Suddenly, without warning, John Ross Mc Master exclaimed (6/2/2010 6:37 PM): On Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:07:00 -0400, jmc wrote: Suddenly, without warning, jmc exclaimed (6/1/2010 4:55 PM): Well, poor Meep is feeling her age these days (she's 14 now), but neither I nor the vet can *quite* put a finger on what's wrong. She doesn't eat well (she's about a pound or so underweight), and has taken to spending most of her time sleeping in the upstairs bedroom. She's had a battery of tests and everything comes up roses. We can't quite figure out if her problem is digestive in nature (she's on pepsid, which seems to help a little), or general pain from her back end - she has a malformed vertebrae in her spine, the one the legs attach to. She has luxating patellas both hinds, but not horrible as her legs rarely lock, and her leg bones behind curve slightly. Because of all this she also now has mild to moderate arthritis in her back end. She is on two drops of Metacam once every three days, and also gets Joint Care 3 Glucosamine Chon/MSM twice a day, every day. What we do know is when she was on bupamorphine (?) during her cystitis attack a few days ago, she ate well the whole time she was on it (in fact I was able to give her extra food, and she put on weight), and gradually went back to her old eating habits about two days after the last dose. And here all this time I thought she was being fussy, because she's ALWAYS ready for dry treats, it's the wet she won't eat. Well, we can't really keep her on morphine continuously, so the vet suggested two other drugs we might look at: Tramadol or Gabapentin. Tramadol sounds promising as it's for cronic pain and is also used to treat acid reflux. However, a common side effect is constipation, which is already one of Meep's problems. Gabapentin doesn't have much to say about veterinary use in it's wikipaedia entry. Does anyone have any experience, good or bad, with either of these drugs in treating chronic pain in cats? Any other suggestions? It's hard to tell what's going on here. She has a soft, shiny coat, her expression is usually quite cheerful (though I catch her with an inward look sometimes), and her general demeanor is quite normal. However, I've also seen her lick her lips a lot, and watched her tail jerk in an odd manner when she walks. Any thoughts welcome! jmc Nobody? Or is this one of those times when my original post went poof? I'm on Gabapentin for chronic peripheral pain. It works. I have no idea what it does in cats though. Have you ried distracting Meep with nip or giving her Rescue Remedy? Every little bit helps. She has a catnip thing that she really likes, but recently it's started to fade - I can't get a new one until September. She doesn't react to most 'nip but I found one seller at the National Cat Show that grows her own, apparently extra-strong catnip... Will Rescue Remedy help with the pain? I've tried using it for stress events, but I don't think it has much effect. jmc It may have limited worth with the pain. Not much. Get gabapentin if you can. |
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John Ross Mc Master wrote:
[concerning Rescue Remedy] It may have limited worth with the pain. Not much. You might say. :-) Rescue Remedy, like all of the Bach flower essences, is prepared at a dilution of 5X, which means it has no active ingredients and can have no effect whatever. Maybe jmc could use the kind that employs alcohol as carrier and get her kitty so drunk she is "feeling no pain". :-P -- Wayne M. |
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I don't have experience with those drugs. I was thinking that it might
be worth perusing the Only Natural Pet web site (I am not affiliated). They carry all types of herbal-based supplements. I currently use two of their supplements on our oldest cat (one for joint health and one for asthma), and they really help. Read the reviews from customers too--they provide lots of first-hand information. |
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On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:27:45 -0400, Wayne Mitchell
wrote: John Ross Mc Master wrote: [concerning Rescue Remedy] It may have limited worth with the pain. Not much. You might say. :-) Rescue Remedy, like all of the Bach flower essences, is prepared at a dilution of 5X, which means it has no active ingredients and can have no effect whatever. Maybe jmc could use the kind that employs alcohol as carrier and get her kitty so drunk she is "feeling no pain". :-P That's one school of thought. Others believe homeopathy works but are at a loss to explain exactly how it works. I think it would help a bit. She should get gabapentin IF it works in cats as well as it does in humans (me). |
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 16:55:11 -0400, jmc
wrote: Well, poor Meep is feeling her age these days (she's 14 now), but neither I nor the vet can *quite* put a finger on what's wrong. She doesn't eat well (she's about a pound or so underweight), and has taken to spending most of her time sleeping in the upstairs bedroom. She's had a battery of tests and everything comes up roses. We can't quite figure out if her problem is digestive in nature (she's on pepsid, which seems to help a little), or general pain from her back end - she has a malformed vertebrae in her spine, the one the legs attach to. She has luxating patellas both hinds, but not horrible as her legs rarely lock, and her leg bones behind curve slightly. Because of all this she also now has mild to moderate arthritis in her back end. She is on two drops of Metacam once every three days, and also gets Joint Care 3 Glucosamine Chon/MSM twice a day, every day. What we do know is when she was on bupamorphine (?) during her cystitis attack a few days ago, she ate well the whole time she was on it (in fact I was able to give her extra food, and she put on weight), and gradually went back to her old eating habits about two days after the last dose. And here all this time I thought she was being fussy, because she's ALWAYS ready for dry treats, it's the wet she won't eat. Well, we can't really keep her on morphine continuously, so the vet suggested two other drugs we might look at: Tramadol or Gabapentin. Tramadol sounds promising as it's for cronic pain and is also used to treat acid reflux. However, a common side effect is constipation, which is already one of Meep's problems. Gabapentin doesn't have much to say about veterinary use in it's wikipaedia entry. Does anyone have any experience, good or bad, with either of these drugs in treating chronic pain in cats? Any other suggestions? It's hard to tell what's going on here. She has a soft, shiny coat, her expression is usually quite cheerful (though I catch her with an inward look sometimes), and her general demeanor is quite normal. However, I've also seen her lick her lips a lot, and watched her tail jerk in an odd manner when she walks. Any thoughts welcome! jmc Tramadol is an opioid, although somewhat different than many; it is a relatively recent (1970's) synthesis, compared to most of the opioid family; (Codeine, morphine, demerol, hydrocodone etc.), which have been in use far longer. Gabapentin is an even newer drug, and there is a good deal of controversy concerning it's use. I looked it up in wikipedia.org, and all I can say is, I don't think I would use it for MY cat. Here is a very general article on: Pain Control In Dogs And Cats (Google is your friend..). It mentions Gabapentin only briefly. http://www.2ndchance.info/pain.htm Good luck with your cat. Gandalf --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100603-1, 06/03/2010 Tested on: 6/4/2010 1:24:16 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com |
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