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puppy lose of appetite [ninnyboy] [jerry]
wrote: wrote: HOWEDY dallygirl, dallygirl wrote: reading through your post it reads as though you bought your pup from a pet store,is this right? That's IRRELEVENT, dallygirl. Actually, to a tardo like you, it's irrelevent. To someone with a brain, it's quite relevent. its natural for any dog to have a loss or dip in appetite after a big change in life which includes a new home but if this is a pet store dog then even more so. That's a load of CRAP dallygirl. You are full of ****, asshowe. It's so not a load a crap. ETHICKAL breeders and RESCUERS like you blame the DOG or his BREEDIN for problems CAUSED BY YOUR OWN MISHANDLING and ABUSE dallygirl {); ~ ) many pet shop dogs are the result of puppy farmed dogs That's IRRELEVENT dallygirl. You are full of ****, asshowe. It's so not a load a crap. which means your dog would have had very little human contact If the pup doesn't BITE when you pick him up HE'S SOCIALIZED. Again - a simpleton - or insane person's view - of animals. It's too bad you weren't mentally intact - you could have someday actually learned how to deal with all animals. As of now, you couldn't deal with a freakin' ant. may not have seen daylight Perhaps they've been kept in an artificial biologically correct environment, grow lites and all, dallygir? and would certainly have not ventured from the pen or area he was kept in LIKE ANY ETHICKALLY BRED KENNEL DOG, dallygirly. with no medical treatment. WHAT MEDICAL TREATMENT IS NECESSARY FOR PUPPERLY HANDLED ETHICKALLY BRED DOGS, dallygirl? Depends on the animal and the condition, asshowe. so consider his feelings "FEELINS", dallygirl? I believe that's what she said - "feelings", to be exact. Did something confuse you there, or do you just have the IQ of a Triscuit snack cracker? Do you still think you are funny/clever spelling **** the wrong way? Let me tell you a little secret - you aren't...you make yourself look like a complete fool with every post... Subject: Starr's Stories To whom it may concern, My name is Crystal Arcidy I am the proud owner of a beautiful 3 year old white German Shepherd named Starr. I am writing to inform you of a training method that is truly amazing. Starr is by nature very cautious and fearful and because of this and my not knowing how to handle it she became environmentally shy as well. Before Starr came into my life I never would have believed that a dog could be the way she was unless it had been badly abused or trained to be aggressive. Now I'm finding out more and more that there are lots of dogs with serious behavior problems who were never abused, but mishandled. Before I tell you about my experience with Jerry Howe, Doggy Do Right, and the Wits End Dog Training Technique I would like to relate to you Starr's story so you'll have a better understanding as to what I was dealing with: Starr was three months old when I brought her home from a local pet shop. A few days later a friend came by to see her and that was when I first saw that Starr was by no means friendly. She was so shy she tried to pull away and hide. I was told that dogs go through a "fear stage" and thought that was all I was dealing with. But after a week or two Starr began barking protectively at guests and neighbors from inside the house. The only way I could stop the barking, and later howling, was if I picked her up and held her. Outside Starr's behavior was not protective it was horribly fearful. It got to the point that when I would ask, "You want to go outside?" Starr would run the other way and dodge me so I would make her go. She went out only to relieve herself and then she'd dash back to the house. I could not take her for walks and she wouldn't even sit on my back deck without crying. Starr was afraid of other dogs, people, cars, loud noises, open spaces....everything. I was sure that she had the potential of becoming a fear biter and that worried me. I spoke with an amateur dog trainer who said that shepherd's are sometimes fearful as puppies, especially females, and that training and socializing would help. She said I could bring Starr to the vet and just sit with her so she could watch the other dogs. But Starr was a nervous wreck in the vets. She would get in a corner and shake terribly. It didn't seem like it was helping at all with my dog's anxiety and I asked the vet what to do to get her over her fears. The doctor recommended a trainer/behaviorist and we called and set up a meeting. And so I took Starr to her first trainer at six months old. She was terrified. The trainer assured me that he could 'get her through' her fears. He explained to me how training would lessen Starr's anxiety and build confidence. Because Starr was so timid he wanted to start out with clicker training. He said it was the best form of training for shy dogs. He instructed me to get a thin three foot stick to be the focus, the object being Starr would learn to follow the stick. Every time she touched it with her nose she got a click and a treat. After I got Starr home it only took about a minute for Starr to get the idea. But these results were restricted to inside my house. When I took Starr outside or to her lessons she was just too nervous to care about eating. The reward was not worth it. All Starr wanted was to get back to the house, where she felt safe. When the trainer realized that Starr was too uncomfortable at his place he suggested we meet and work at my house. It was then that he saw that Starr was not going to progress using the clicker training. [Forcing food into her mouth didn't make her want to eat it] So he reverted to conventional methods. *(The "BALANCED TRAINER" IOW, knows WHEN to HURT... jh.) We started using a flat collar but with all the pulling Starr would do the trainer quickly advised me to purchase a choke chain. I did so and he showed me how to use it. I was very hesitant but he assured me that I could not hurt the dog. We continued working in an area Starr was pretty comfortable in, then proceeded out to the street. Starr was very scared and would bolt, whine, shake horribly and grind her teeth. All of which got corrected by a quick, sharp jerk on the chain and a firm "No!" Of course now I know that these firm corrections were just creating more anxiety for my dog. But at the time it seemed to make sense. After seeing how afraid Starr actually was on the street the trainer told me to get some Serene-um, an herbal product that would calm her down. It took the edge off her fear, but I had to give her beyond the dosage recommended for her weight. The trainer said that was fine. He also told me that putting her on adult food would help. That way she wouldn't have as much energy that was just being turned into nervous energy and making her worse. I changed her food and he later recommended senior food. I decided against that. The trainer told me not to speak reassuringly when Starr was scared because she would think she was being praised for being afraid, that I wanted that behavior. He told me never to praise her for barking because it would encourage aggression. When Starr would bark at the neighbors dog aggressively I was to force her into a submissive down, the Alpha Rollover, whichI was never able to maneuver. I told the trainer that Starr was still uncontrollable even with the choker. Her fear seemed more important than the pain she experienced from the collar. He suggested getting her a Gentle Leader. Its worn around the dog's head. I'm sure you're familiar with the product. This gave me more control over her bolting but when she got spooked by something she would pull away and reared up like a wild horse. It was very difficult to get her to calm down even a little after she had gone to this extreme. I later found out that I was misdirected on how to use the Gentle Leader. After about seven months of this Starr had made very little progress. She knew all the commands and would do them perfect when calm, but the fear and anxiety were still there and still very much in control of her. The trainer thought she was all right and told me he was happy with the results. At that point I was hardly listening to anything he said. I knew he was trying to help but I also knew that Starr was beyond him and I had already set up a meeting with another trainer, one that came highly recommended. The second trainer referred to her place as doggy boot camp and said that kind of discipline and structure is what dogs, especially dogs like Starr, really needed. She was a breeder of German Shepherds and several of her dogs were used in movies and as therapy and protection dogs. *(Our "ETHICAL" breeders... jh.) She told me that Starr needed to get away from me, her 'security blanket' and learn to be on her own. She told me that when I got Starr back she would be a totally different dog. I left Starr for eleven days with this trainer. When I went to pick her up I was informed that Starr had been hiding for the first three days of her stay. But the trainer was happy with her progress. When Starr was brought out I was told to ignore her until the trainer said it was okay and even then I couldn't pet her or kneel down to see her. [I still don't know why.] My formerly 65 lb. German Shepherd looked like a Greyhound she was so thin. But she did look much more confident. Her face seemed relaxed, but her tail was tucked up under her. When I asked about that the trainer said it was nothing. She said her tail was not suppose to curl up the way it did. I was then informed that I needed to buy a pinch collar and leather leash. Starr was too strong and determined in her pulling for me to get by with just the choker. [ This trainer laughed at the Gentle Leader and said it was not a training tool.] The trainer showed me how to use the collar and I flinched as she did and Starr let out a sharp cry. The trainer noticed my reaction and insisted that she wasn't hurting my dog, saying that I have to stop treating Starr like a 'piece of china', saying that she was a strong dog and needed to be told who was boss. I accepted what she said and she proceeded to teach me all that she had taught Starr. She used the word 'Here' instead of 'Come' saying that it sounded nicer to the dog and more inviting. I was told that its best if when called Starr comes right up close, attaining physical contact. Everything seemed to be going well, though I wouldn't have said she seemed like a different dog, until the trainer left to get Starr's old collar for me. When she returned Starr lunged and barked aggressively. It took me completely by surprise. I did not know why she was acting so aggressive. The trainer took the leash and gave Starr a strong reproof for that and explained to me that some dogs [big nasty ones, she said] acted like that when the owners came to get them because they were afraid, on seeing the trainer, that she would take them away from their owners again. This trainer also instructed me to 'punish' Starr by ignoring her for a half hour or so after she had been corrected for something very bad or if she did not do good working for me one day. She said that dogs remember when they do bad and that she'd learn to try harder to please me. So I took my skinny little shepherd home and for two months worked with her every day exactly as I was told. Starr's anxiety was still profound and she still was not happy to go for a walk or to stay outside. She was more confident, but only in areas of aggression, territorialism, and being possessive of me. [She did not like it when my cat came into my room.] I called the trainer to ask about barking collars and she told me which one to buy. After I got it she showed me how to use it saying it must be tight. She said it would help with Starr's aggression as well as the barking. And for a while it was much quieter in my house. I did not like the way the collar sometimes made Starr cry and I really didn't like how if my two dogs were real close the other dog's bark would sometimes set it off. But it was only temporary, I thought. I always checked for irritation on my dog's neck but one day when I took the collar off I saw that Starr had sores on her throat. I kept the collar off until it was completely healed and then used it only when I felt I had to, and only on the lowest setting. *(HOWE COME all these stories sound alike??? jh.) It wasn't long before I put it away and never used it again. I made arrangements to bring Starr back to her second trainer to work together and in exchange I would help taking care of the other dogs -cleaning and feeding and such- but it never worked out and I am so glad it didn't! My next attempt to find help was after I read a pamphlet on Ttouch. I thought, finally, this will help! I spoke to the Ttouch practitioner and set up an appointment. She came to the house and evaluated Starr. She told me it would most likely take many sessions to get Starr over her issues. The first thing she had me do was change from the pinch collar to a flat collar the second thing she had me do was put a T-shirt on my dog. She likened the feel of shirt to getting a hug. Starr did seem to calm down when she was wearing the T-shirt. Looking back I realize that although Starr was calm she was far from happy and relaxed. I wanted to work outside, thinking it would be easier on my dog since she got so upset when people came into the house. But the Ttouch lady insisted we work inside the house, saying that she had to get used to people coming inside. I went along with what she said, but after the aggression brought out by the second trainer and the pinch collar Starr was very difficult to handle. Next the Ttouch person showed me a few different touches to do on Starr. She demonstrated the touches on a large stuffed animal I had because she couldn't get close to Starr let alone to actually touch her. She said that dogs keep all their stress in their tail and I was instructed to do Ttouch on her tail. She showed me what she called an ear slide that would help with car- sickness and it worked. Then she talked a lot about calming signals, yawning, sighing etc.... Starr was uncomfortable with this strange way of petting and cried a lot, but the lady informed me that was normal. The touches are designed to change the cellular memory and Starr knew that this was not petting. It was a 'conscious touch'. The weirdest thing was an effort to make Starr aware of her body. She demonstrated on the stuffed animal [she was still unable to touch Starr] how to wrap ACE bandages around the animal's body so that as they moved they would feel it and be aware of themselves. And then there was the hair elastics around my dog's feet to give her a better awareness of her feet because Starr was nervous walking on hard,smooth floors. To address the problem I was having with Starr pulling on the leash the Ttouch person instructed me to take the middle of my six foot leash in my left hand and bring it up above Starr's left shoulder, then place the length of the leash real low across her chest and bring the handle up above her right shoulder and hold it in my right hand. The plan was to keep her front legs from being able to move fast enough to pull. But Starr easily backed out of this arrangement and took off, bolting to the end of the lead. I told the lady what was happening and she recommended a harness. After Starr was wrapped in bandages, wearing a T-shirt, a muzzle and a harness we took her out-side. Starr was not happy. I was not happy. But the Ttouch person said it would help so we did it. After a month of this I gave up on Ttouch and went back to the pinch collar with which I had at least some control. *(Sound typical, doesn't it... jh.) I asked a friend to help simply by coming over and trying to make friends with my dog. I kept a muzzle on Starr most of the time and eventually my friend got to pet her, though Starr was not comfortable with it. My friend suggested that I give Starr Passion Flower and I tried it. *(An EXCELLENT sleep aid... jh.) At this point I had already tried a number of different herbs and herbal mixtures that were especially for dogs. The herbs didn't make enough of a difference and I thought about putting her on Prozac or something like it. I decided against it because of fears of side affects and was back where I started, except worse because Starr was now showing signs of aggression after working with that second trainer. I found another dog training place this one claimed to be the 'Disney World for dogs'. I went down to talk to the people there before putting Starr through it. One of the trainers there told me that if my dog was over two years old and still the way she was then she'd be like that forever. I was extremely discouraged by that, but I wouldn't allow myself to believe it was true. Needless to say Starr never went to those trainers. Ever since I realized that Starr was not a normal dog I've been searching for a way to help her get over her fears. It became the most important thing to me. I was sure that I would find answers and I knew I couldn't give up. I knew I couldn't live with her the way she was and I knew I couldn't give her away so I just continued searching. I read training and behavior books one after the other. Some were very discouraging in what they had to say about shyness in dogs. The last book I bought was called "Help For Your Shy Dog" and it gave an example of a dog in recovery from fear and anxiety and it had taken the owner/trainer five years to get to that point! And the dog was still a work in progress! When I first decided to try Mr. Howe's machine I was hopeful if not confident. I did not want to speak to him at first because I did not want to hear what I heard from the other trainers. I did not want to trust another trainer only to be disappointed in the end. I found Doggy Do Right on-line at a friend's house, got the information and decided to give it a try. I noticed within a few days, if that long, that Starr was calmer when the machine was on. Things would happen that would normally upset her and she'd give one or two barks and then give up. When I saw her acting calm I'd look over at the machine and every time, at first, it was on. After a little while of using the machine along with the training technique I'd check to see that the reason for her self-controlled barking was that Doggy Do Right was on and I was amazed to see that it wasn't. I was like, "Wow, she's being so good and the thing isn't even on!" The tiny part of my crazy dog that had some self-control, or some semblance of ease, was growing stronger. The training and the machine were allowing Starr to realize that not everything in the world is going to kill her. As far as the training technique, it's gentle, fast, and completely positive. Mr. Howe's approach to training is so different from any other form of training that even after reading his training manual I had to call and speak with him in order to really understand his method and the reasoning behind it and how to apply it with particular situations with Starr. I had many questions and misconceptions because of all the other training information I got and he took time to explain everything. He told me that all Starr's behavioral problems were connected and that properly handling each one would help the others. All the little things that I was ignoring because, in comparison to Starr's main problems, they seemed irrelevant I started working on, each thing she worked through helped to deal with the next. Mr. Howe was very helpful and after putting a flat collar back on my dog and working with her a few weeks I saw a change in her general attitude. I was glad that I was not to use a food treat with this system, knowing that if food was the incentive it wasn't going to work for my dog. Starr was much happier and relaxed without the pinch collar and her barking was much more controllable. Starr, however was too difficult for me to handle and I was not proficient at this new form of training and I ended up taking her to meet Mr. Howe and he worked with her. I was surprised that Jerry was able to pet my dog let alone work with her the first day. For one week he had her and the change in Starr was incredible! She was happy and relaxed. She was willing to work and she was much more comfortable being around cars and people. We met on three occasions during that week to work together and I learned so much. The first time we got together to work Starr was much more content and happy. By the end of the session Starr was willing to go with Jerry in his car. This impressed me because of what happened when Starr thought the second trainer she had was going to take her away from her family. But she was comfortable with Jerry and the reason for that was the way he treated her. I was amazed while, on the last occasion that we worked together, people walked by my dog without upsetting her. I was expecting her to bolt away but she didn't. She was calm and confident as they passed, which, for her, was a huge change. The Wits' End Dog Training method is based on distraction and praise. It focuses more on the thought process than a dog following commands. The dog psychology Jerry has figured out and built his method around is amazing. I learned from him how to handle the leash in a way so as to keep my dog calm. He explained that because of all Starr's past experience with training she was always afraid of being corrected. Tension on the leash is what caused her to spook so I now keep the leash nice and slack. He taught me how and when to praise in order to encourage thought and instill confidence and trust. His technique using the sound distraction and exuberant praise gave me the answer to the endless barking and the cat-chasing and all without stressing out my hyper-sensitive dog. Starr is a much happier dog and she has so much more confidence in herself and in me as her handler. I will never use any other form of dog training on any dog I ever own/train. Mr. Howe's approach to dog training has ended up saving many mislabeled "bad dogs," turning them into great pets and working dogs. I am recommending this and only this form of training to anyone with dogs no matter what it is they want to accomplish with their dogs. As you now know I have tried everything I could find to help my extremely nervous, but wonderful dog and this is the only thing that has really made a difference in Starr's behavior and her general attitude. As a dog lover and the owner of a so-called "lost cause dog" I feel I must share with you my experiences and advocate this system. There is nothing better for disturbed dogs and no better way of preventing bad behavior then positive, gentle training. I will recommend nothing else and never again will I use any other form of training, discipline and behavior modification. Thank you for your time. Sincerely, Crystal Arcidy ======================== Subject: letter about crate Starry's Scary Night Anyone reading this letter is familiar with my white shepherd Starr and her problems with fear and anxiety. Starr has made a lot of progress since my last letter and continues to make progress almost daily. For a while Starr was going through a transition period where she was expecting me to go back to the old ways of training and discipline. She would refuse to perform the commands right and just not want to work. With a ton of self-control I kept the exercises simple during this time, spending most of our training session doing the "hot and cold exercise." Starr soon bounced out of her unsure sliding-back-and-forth stage and is stable now. The reason for this letter is to talk a bout crates and the emotional state they can put a dog in. Only after I dealt with the crate situation I'll be explaining was Starr able to make real progress. After that the back sliding mentioned above was only a matter of time, patients and being consistent. First let me just say that I'm not saying that you shouldn't use a crate. Only that you make sure to use it right for the emotional state of your dog. Ever since Starr was a pup whenever I left her alone I put her in her crate. If we had company Starr went in her crate because she was not friendly and would bark and hide. Nights she also spent in her crate which seemed like a retreat to her, a comfort zone. But that false sense of security made the world outside her crate seem all the more scary. Starr was unintentionally "taught" that whenever something was unusual in the house that she was to go to her "safe place" and then everything would be all right. The problem became evident when we got Starr home afterher training in FL. Starr was so much more confident in herself. But her fear was triggered by all her past feelings associated with her familiar surroundings. Mr. Howe told me to expect Starr might back-slide and to simply keep working her until she came around. I worked with my dog but at night I put her in her crate. The next morning all the work I had been through the day before, and whatever progress she had made seemed to have disappeared. I spoke to Mr. Howe about what was going on and he explained that the false sense of security Starr got from the crate was making her fear the outside world. When she got in the crate she felt safe, after all that was where I put her whenever something was unstable [if I left, company etc..] When she came out she was leaving behind that security. At first I was going to try to recondition her to being in the crate but I was so afraid of all the training and confidence she got in FL being lost that I decided to just stop using the crate. So I left her in my bed room instead. She was not comfortable with this at first. It seemed like she felt she didn't know where she belonged and that made her anxious. But using the "surrogate toy" technique and sound distraction and praise cured her of this anxiety in less then a half hour. Now Starr is comfortable and content to hang out alone in my room. She's not emotionally confined to just my bed or to her doggy bed and she is not at all destructive. I am lucky that Starr's separation anxiety was never expressed in messing or chewing, though once she took my violin shoulder rest from my closet and kept it with her on my bed. She did, however tip over my waste basket twice. Both times I addressed the expression as it says in Jerry's manual and that's no longer a problem. Crystal Arcidy ======================= Thursday, September 12, 2002 2:27 PM some good news :^) -kinda long though Hi Jerry, I've been really focusing on using the sound when Starry breaks the heel and its amazing how it calms her down. She's gained so much self control from it. I wanted to tell you of some of her latest triumphs. Last week my car died while I was out and while we waited for my dad Starr had a good and unplanned training session. First she saw fellow GSD, barked and settled after I praised then made a sound distraction and more praise. The next time she saw that dog she did not bark! I was very surprised. Then she saw another dog and it worked the same way as with the GSD. I told her "its friends good girl" and she allowed a person to walk very close to my car without barking or [more importantly] getting nervous. The other day, while I was working with Starr a small child went by us slowly on a little bike about 7-10 ft from us [Starr between the child and me and heeling perfectly]. I said it was friends and Starr was completely cool with it, didn't flinch or even look on the child cautiously. Then the mother came up, again I assured Starr that it was a friend. As soon as the woman was parallel with us she stopped, put her hands to her face and called loudly to the kid. Starr looked over with a hint of caution and I made a distraction and praise and she relaxed and continued walking with me. Later I was standing by my car. Starr was not on command. Two people were walking toward us. I put Starr in a sit stay, told her it was friends and praised her as she calmly watched the couple pass. They were about the length of my car away from us. I was in my car, about to leave when the same couple went back the other way. With Starr inside the car I expected her to by a little protective of "her space" so I readied a sound distraction and waited. She saw them and laid down in the back seat contentedly. Last time we were working on heeling and stays and a truck drove right up to us and stopped leas then 10 ft away. I placed Starr in a sit stay by my side, did the relaxation touches and praised her. The man was talking to me about Starr [the common question "is that a white shepherd? I've never seen one before!" Then his all black shepherd started barking at Starr. At first she was a bit nervous, I saw it in her face and I snapped my fingers and praised, and said it was friends. She calmed down and remained in the sit position. I was so proud! They truck drove off and I asked Starr to heel then released her. I was so nervous about working her around people not long ago. Mostly afraid that I would mess her up. And this summer has been tough and busy because of other things so that I wasn't able to give Starr my full attention. But she's really making progress fast. I'm training her not to enter into my car until I say and not to get out of the car until I say. I think and hope this will lessen the anxiety she feels about getting out in a new or "scary" place. I'll let You know how she does with it. Crystal Arcidy ======================= Here's another update on Starr's Story: From: Crystal To: Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:39 PM Subject: (no subject) I love to play the piano. The problem was that Starr, my white GSD got impatient and didnt like all my attention being on something else. When I'd play for more then 20 minutes without stopping she'd pace around the room and whine. She'd look straight at me whining loudly, wagging her tail and sometimes stomping her feet. I mentioned it to Jerry and he told me how to handle it. What I had to do was break her 20 minutes tolerance time just before it was up in order to restart her clock. I started playing and played for about 18 minutes then stopped, closed the book and the cover for the keys, walked across the room busied myself for just a moment before returning to the piano, opening the cover and a book and starting to play again. Starr watched me as I did this. She was distracted from her set time limits, but she didn't know that my actions had anything to do with her, which is good since in this case the whining was an attention getting device. And so she stayed in the room with me, comfortable and relaxed, not concerned with the fact that she wasn't getting any attention. 15 minutes later I got up and walked away from the piano. I took a book from the shelf and went back to sit at my piano. Starr again watched me until I started playing. I played for a few minutes longer then stood and turned my attention to my dog and asked if she wanted to come with me as I left the room. I planned to do this exercise a few more times over the next coupleof days but there was no need. As of yet Starr has not returned to whining and pacing. She simply lays down or watches out the window while I practice, and happy to get attention when I turn to her or when I'm done. I'd like to note that a while ago, before we found the Wits' End Training Method, if Starr heard the piano from another room she would whine or bark to get me to come back. It seemed to cause her anxiety to hear the piano and know that I was going to be away from her for as long as she heard it. But she was uncomfortable in the room where the piano is because it was formerly off limits to her while she was being house broken. Even though she has been allowed in the room for a long time she was never content being in there for long. Now if she hears the piano and she's not in the room with me she comes and finds me, says hi with a kiss, wagging tail and happy face then makes herself comfortable as I play. The above problem may seem small but its another way in which Starr has grown calmer which is great and I can play my music without Starr singing in the background which made it hard to concentrate. Crystal Arcidy |
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